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  • enter »
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    • Jul 2004
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    Who is doing all the work for these outsource companies ?

    I see them more and more and they go for every job that pops up on this board. Who are the designers and programmers doing all the actual work? I don't know of a single designer that ever worked on his own and then went to work for an outsourcer, so where are they coming from?

    I'm asking because I have been a designer for years with an in house position. I'm just getting my shit together to open my own studio but I was thinking it would be easier to hook up with an outsourcer and let them bring me work, but there must be reasons why most people do not go that route.

    Any thoughts?
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    • doornx
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      • Nov 2003
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      #2
      i assume most of them are from asia....it's modern slave labor
      Send me a PM for design work

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        • enter »
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          • Jul 2004
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          #3
          Well, I'm not gonna name names but I checked a couple of them out and the level of skill is sub par at best.
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            • doornx
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              • Nov 2003
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              #4
              might be good for grunt work...repetive but easy stuff
              Send me a PM for design work

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                • B40
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                  • Jul 2001
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by doornx
                  i assume most of them are from asia....it's modern slave labor
                  Yup...asia and India where the cost of living and salaries are much lower.

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                    • enter »
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                      • Jul 2004
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                      #6
                      Originally posted by B40
                      Yup...asia and India where the cost of living and salaries are much lower.
                      Anyone know what % the outsource companies take? If it's a lot then these people working for them could be rich in their poor countries by working on their own.

                      I guess it comes back to the fact that most of them have limited skills, if any at all.

                      I'm surprised to see not one outsource co. has popped in here to sig drop
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                        • keyboard warrior
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                          • Jul 2004
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                          #7
                          If they ever get good you will all loose your jobs.

                          they should make sure that outsourcing crap illeagle.

                          fuck these scum bag cheap ass whores.

                          all sites that reside in the usa should use usa desgners, and the same goes for other countries.

                          eat where you shit you fucking outsourcers.
                          - nothing here -

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                            • ZoiNk
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                              • Feb 2002
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                              #8
                              Heard one company (pure rumour) was paying $200 to the employees and charging $700 to the webmasters for them.
                              ZoiNk
                              "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

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                                • Richard - Triplexcash
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                                  • Aug 2003
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                                  #9
                                  Having your own studio, you instantly become an "outsourcing" company, welcome to the club! Look forward to seeing your portfolio.

                                  I think most of the replies here are in regards to "offshore outsourcing" companies. Being located in the Philippines, that is the term that fits us.

                                  We find our employees by running advertisements in major daily newspapers, weeklies, job fairs, word of mouth...just like most companies.

                                  Slave labor, no way. We offer above average salary, excellent working conditions and hours, and full benefits.

                                  I agree that most of the ADULT design work coming from this part of the country is not on the same level as other places in the world.

                                  That is why we concentrate on programming, databases and network admin.

                                  There is my sig dropping
                                  Richard
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                                    • enter »
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by ZoiNk
                                      Heard one company (pure rumour) was paying $200 to the employees and charging $700 to the webmasters for them.
                                      ZoiNk
                                      Sounds outrageous but it's probably pretty accurate.
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                                        • enter »
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by rockdude
                                          Having your own studio, you instantly become an "outsourcing" company, welcome to the club! Look forward to seeing your portfolio.

                                          Well, I see outsourcing as a middle man so I don't agree at all... but I do see your point and I think it can be a good thing for things like programmers, especially when most are foreigners with huge brain power but limited knowledge of the English language so they need a middle man to act as a deal maker and translator
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                                            • Joesho
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                                              #12
                                              Marketing is always 80% of the battle.....
                                              Got any domains to sell?
                                              I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

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                                                • enter »
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                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Joesho
                                                  Marketing is always 80% of the battle.....
                                                  It's a shame that posting 'Hit me up on icq' passes as marketing.
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                                                    • ocho-ocho
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                                                      bump!
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                                                        • johnbosh
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by doornx
                                                          i assume most of them are from asia....it's modern slave labor
                                                          jup

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                                                            • Video-Post
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                                                              • Dec 2001
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                                                              #16

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                                                                • graphicsbytia
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  here's my take on this enter>>

                                                                  First, you come in here with 51 posts and right away start bashing your competition.. in my eyes that makes you look bad right from the start

                                                                  my advice to you would be stop whining and post some of your work

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                                                                    • Mutt
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                                                                      • Sep 2002
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                                                                      Originally posted by Video-Post
                                                                      I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                        • enter »
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                                                                          Originally posted by graphicsbytia
                                                                          First, you come in here with 51 posts and right away start bashing your competition.. in my eyes that makes you look bad right from the start

                                                                          my advice to you would be stop whining and post some of your work
                                                                          So, if I had 1000 posts it would be ok? I'm not someone who attaches any credibility to post count. That's 3rd grade to me, plus I never mentioned names. It's a pretty common opinion that these guys aren't the best designers.

                                                                          I'm not the one with anything to prove here, just asking a question. My portfolio will be together soon enough and if you want to bash it - feel free.

                                                                          I hope that wasn't too 'whiny' for you
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                                                                            • Groove
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by enter »
                                                                              Anyone know what % the outsource companies take? If it's a lot then these people working for them could be rich in their poor countries by working on their own.
                                                                              The outsourcing companies take a large chunk, eg if you're paying $800/mo the worker will be lucky to see $250. But the outsourcing companies have to recruit staff, train them, provide offices, broadband connections, find clients and handle all of the red tape. Most of the employees do not have the skills or cash to do this themselves.

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                                                                                • graphicsbytia
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                                                                                  Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                  So, if I had 1000 posts it would be ok? I'm not someone who attaches any credibility to post count. That's 3rd grade to me, plus I never mentioned names. It's a pretty common opinion that these guys aren't the best designers.

                                                                                  I'm not the one with anything to prove here, just asking a question. My portfolio will be together soon enough and if you want to bash it - feel free.

                                                                                  I hope that wasn't too 'whiny' for you
                                                                                  If you had 1000 posts I may just see that you're having a bad day.

                                                                                  I know some outsourcing people that are very good designers, the only ones I see saying they aren't are other jealous desigers.. all I'm pointing out is that you've made a pretty bad first impression.

                                                                                  Also, you don't need a whole portfolio to show some of your work, just show one thing you've done! Geeze enter, I'm a designer myself, and I'm asking to see one of the works you've done so you can show it off.

                                                                                  Or would you rather spend your time putting down other designers?

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                                                                                    • theFeTiShLaDy
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      outsourcing companies have people doing all the works like design, programming, networking etc...mostly are located in the Philippines and India because putting up this kind of business is a lot cheaper than the cost they spend if they are in their own country but it doesn't mean that they are no good.
                                                                                      I'm a freelance babe!

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                                                                                        • Lauren
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                                                                                          • Mar 2004
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          why do you think outsourcing company flourish??? SIMPLY because MANY find their designs competitive and cheaper. What's wrong with that??

                                                                                          'eat where you shit you fucking outsourcers' ---> yeah right, tell it to the marines!!!

                                                                                          xxxoutsourcing.com

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                                                                                          Submitters, Designers, Programmers, Cartoonist, Creative Writers, Video & Photo Editors
                                                                                          Convert your Paysite into a cartoon site convert2toons.com

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                                                                                            • NickPapageorgio
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Lauren
                                                                                              why do you think outsourcing company flourish??? SIMPLY because MANY find their designs competitive and cheaper. What's wrong with that??

                                                                                              'eat where you shit you fucking outsourcers' ---> yeah right, tell it to the marines!!!
                                                                                              Wrong. The reason you guys flourish is because you charge twice the cost of what the design is worth and pay the designer half of what he deserves. Great business sense but bad ethics I guess. Doesn't matter to me though. You can outsource all you want. Doens't hurt my business in the slightest.

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                                                                                                • Serge Litehead
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                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  offshore outsourcing is good, all poor quality outcomes of miscomunication and if done right you can get premium service in offshore too.

                                                                                                  if you're designer or programmer and complaining that offshore takes away your job, you are not competent - and should be working on improving your qualifications or you're in the wrong field, that simple.

                                                                                                  if people taking their businesses elsewhere, there's something to think about.

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                                                                                                    • Serge Litehead
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
                                                                                                      Wrong. The reason you guys flourish is because you charge twice the cost of what the design is worth and pay the designer half of what he deserves. Great business sense but bad ethics I guess. Doesn't matter to me though. You can outsource all you want. Doens't hurt my business in the slightest.
                                                                                                      LOL business generally is gready, i've seen people making 5-6 fugures and yet they wanted to pay under 1k for the paysite design. its not your fucking business where design gets done and how much it costs as long as you're satisfied with it

                                                                                                      its like coming to the store and bitch that they charge 30-50% more for the product and made it easier for you to get it.

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                                                                                                        • Serge Litehead
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                                                                                                          and its not my business how much client makes, i simply know how much his order costs me and how much i want to make, and if that is satisfuctory to the client - everything should be good, right?

                                                                                                          if you can from offshore bring such quality that matches or beats local service, you think it should not be paid for?



                                                                                                          most products you purchase are from china btw.

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                                                                                                            • Lauren
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
                                                                                                              Wrong. The reason you guys flourish is because you charge twice the cost of what the design is worth and pay the designer half of what he deserves. Great business sense but bad ethics I guess. Doesn't matter to me though. You can outsource all you want. Doens't hurt my business in the slightest.

                                                                                                              I can't speak for the other outsourcing company, but for XOC the staff are well compensated. taxes are not deducted from pay. medical benefits.overtime pay.percentage commision and the best of all: FREE PIZZA. LoL

                                                                                                              xxxoutsourcing.com

                                                                                                              ICQ:119936 | Aim:xxxoutsourcing | MSN: [email protected] | Yahoo:xxxoutsourcing
                                                                                                              Submitters, Designers, Programmers, Cartoonist, Creative Writers, Video & Photo Editors
                                                                                                              Convert your Paysite into a cartoon site convert2toons.com

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                                                                                                                • Serge Litehead
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                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lauren
                                                                                                                  I can't speak for the other outsourcing company, but for XOC the staff are well compensated. taxes are not deducted from pay. medical benefits.overtime pay.percentage commision and the best of all: FREE PIZZA. LoL
                                                                                                                  good stuff

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                                                                                                                    • Richard - Triplexcash
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                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by holograph
                                                                                                                      offshore outsourcing is good, all poor quality outcomes of miscomunication and if done right you can get premium service in offshore too.
                                                                                                                      I agree, communication is vital. Working remotely with different cultures offers lots of challenges. This is the reason we have an American manager on duty 24/7 to serve as a contact person for the clients.

                                                                                                                      Free Pizza...that sounds good...got any left
                                                                                                                      Richard
                                                                                                                      [email protected]
                                                                                                                      ICQ: 322574184

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                                                                                                                        • The Bootyologist
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                                                                                                                          • Jun 2004
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          child labor

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                                                                                                                            • ZanyCash Larry
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                                                                                                                              Majority for now are Indians, but China wants a piece of it too among many other companies. I think it wont be good for US workers in the future.

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                                                                                                                                • loverboy
                                                                                                                                  When it rains, it pours
                                                                                                                                  • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                  true, most outsourcing companies here comes from Asia, but i have yet to see an Indian company here. why? coz the Philippines tops the most qualified English speaking Nation in Asia.

                                                                                                                                  we at AOS offer the best compensation to our employees based on our current market line here in the Philippines.

                                                                                                                                  cheap labor is one main reason why we offer a competitive monthly service rates, however, you need also to consider certain factors like the bandwidth connection which is 200% expensive compared to the US and other overhead costs (health care, taxes, bonuses, etc).

                                                                                                                                  most people here brag about outsourcing for they felt we are taking the opportunity here for small time, individual Designers in the bizz. everybody here wants to earn and profit from their business, but for us, we have the responsibility to provide financial assistance to more than 100 staffs who currently depend on us.

                                                                                                                                  we have to face the reality that sometimes, companies wants to go outsource to SAVE more $$$ and at the same time, take advantage of the skills of our own people, which they think has the equal skills like everyone else. if they have the talent, then capitalize from it and make sure that your clients/staffs are happy at the end of the day.

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                                                                                                                                    • loverboy
                                                                                                                                      When it rains, it pours
                                                                                                                                      • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by ZanyCash Larry
                                                                                                                                      Majority for now are Indians, but China wants a piece of it too among many other companies. I think it wont be good for US workers in the future.
                                                                                                                                      Both India and China has the tecnhology and manpower, but they lack proficiency in oral/written skills, compared to the advantge the Philippines has. do you know that China is hiring English teachers from the Philippines to address this issue?

                                                                                                                                      Call Center is a bomming business here in the Philippines... I knew big major players in the IT business that made lots of investments here, Microsoft, Linksys, Macromedia, just to name a few.

                                                                                                                                      still, they remain a treat not only to US work force but also to other countries as well.

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                                                                                                                                        • loverboy
                                                                                                                                          When it rains, it pours
                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by enter »
                                                                                                                                          Anyone know what % the outsource companies take? If it's a lot then these people working for them could be rich in their poor countries by working on their own.

                                                                                                                                          I guess it comes back to the fact that most of them have limited skills, if any at all.

                                                                                                                                          I'm surprised to see not one outsource co. has popped in here to sig drop
                                                                                                                                          now u have

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                                                                                                                                            • Big Cheese
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                                                                                                                                              I outsource my programming to Romania and it's one of the best money savers I've found. They get the job done fast, know just as much as any local programmer, and speak English just as well.

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                                                                                                                                                • NickPapageorgio
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                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Big Cheese
                                                                                                                                                  I outsource my programming to Romania and it's one of the best money savers I've found. They get the job done fast, know just as much as any local programmer, and speak English just as well.
                                                                                                                                                  Our economy thanks you.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Big Cheese
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                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by NickPapageorgio
                                                                                                                                                      Our economy thanks you.
                                                                                                                                                      I still spend plenty on domestic expenses. But when it comes to spending $100 instead of $600, I'll gladly save 500 bucks.

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                                                                                                                                                        • sinnistar
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2004
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                                                                                                                                                          Big Cheese, please tell me where to sign up!

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