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  • X37375787

    #151
    Originally posted by Trixxxia


    Equinox, the funny thing is that I was double checking in my emails for any pibcash and all and found the domain mentioned on RudeBitch's emails - I think its Tam and I read her threads all the time and find her to be a RudeBitch 'n all :-) but she seems like a nice girl just that she either finds bad luck or the damn thing keeps following her.

    I didn't mean to imply that Tam has anything to do with this. I know she's worked in marketing and didn't have anything to do with the scam practices of that company.

    I was simply pointing out that she seems to have bad luck, that's all.

    Gladly she's running her own and honest program now, and I wish her the best of luck with it.

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    • bhutocracy
      Not making A Comeback
      • Dec 2001
      • 10218

      #152
      btw now that there is actually proof, we can step outside of the hypothetical and yes, maybe something will happen to PIB that might deter others from doing it, but I won't hold my breath.

      secondly I take issue with your statement that whoever pays the most wins is "apologist", I'd prefer to say it's practical business sense and risk minimisation, as nothing in the logic denies that shaving is a bad thing. It is.

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      • Honeyslut
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2001
        • 6436

        #153
        Originally posted by Undutchable
        Another one busted... I'm pretty sure just about any sponsor shaves.. Basically every affiliate script has a built-in shave function, and in a highly competitive market, why wouldn't they use it?

        This is fucked, we need to expose more shavers.. only then sponsors will get the message and become legit, it's the only way
        Bullshit !

        The little guys don't shave !
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        • Matt_WildCash
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2003
          • 1699

          #154
          Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
          I still don't get it I guess. Where is the "proof" in this pic?
          Brad, its the JOINS SHOWN being less than the JOINS. The joins are say 100, and the joins shown is 70. Means the affilate sent 100 joins but was onl SHOWN 70, in other words 30% shave

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          • bhutocracy
            Not making A Comeback
            • Dec 2001
            • 10218

            #155
            Originally posted by Lane
            I think other sponsors should be able to sue pibcash for inflating payouts by using fraud to be able to afford it and stealing potential affiliates.
            interesting. unfair business practices..

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            • X37375787

              #156
              Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
              Or shes a scumbag.

              shut your pie hole, dumbass.

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              • HS-Trixxxia
                Confirmed User
                • Mar 2002
                • 2946

                #157
                Originally posted by Hooper
                I in no way support PIB, in fact i think shaving like this is deplorable and just plain wrong.
                Hooper - why are you saying 'shaving like this' do you agree with shaving of any kind?

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                • Sly_RJ
                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 17042

                  #158
                  Originally posted by Lane
                  I think other sponsors should be able to sue pibcash for inflating payouts by using fraud to be able to afford it and stealing potential affiliates.
                  What was PIB paying?
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                  • Undutchable
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 2217

                    #159
                    Originally posted by Honeyslut
                    Bullshit !

                    The little guys don't shave !
                    What are you kidding?

                    Especially the little guys shave. Less to lose, and just as eager to make back their investment. They have a shave option in their script, and they're gonna use it

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                    • X37375787

                      #160
                      Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                      What was PIB paying?

                      $35 a pop.

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                      • Tipsy
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 6989

                        #161
                        Always interesting that so many are shocked to find proof it does happen with some companies.

                        BTW - this isn't a first...

                        http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...threadid=91645 was the last time something like this happened
                        Ignorance is never bliss.

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                        • - Jesus Christ -
                          Confirmed User
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 7197

                          #162
                          Originally posted by Equinox



                          shut your pie hole, dumbass.
                          WHy dont you shut it for me.

                          Amen

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                          • eroswebmaster
                            March 1st, 2003
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 20295

                            #163
                            Originally posted by bhutocracy
                            btw now that there is actually proof, we can step outside of the hypothetical and yes, maybe something will happen to PIB that might deter others from doing it, but I won't hold my breath.

                            secondly I take issue with your statement that whoever pays the most wins is "apologist", I'd prefer to say it's practical business sense and risk minimisation, as nothing in the logic denies that shaving is a bad thing. It is.
                            You can take issue with whatever you wish to take issue, but the fact still remains it's a life concept I find rather weak.

                            That concept of accepting getting fucked in my opinion only should be applicable when sitting in jail with a big dude name bubba and he's got a shank at your throat...and even then I'm still fighting back.
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                            • StuartD
                              Sofa King Band
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 29903

                              #164
                              I hear they're changing their name to www.shavebucks.com
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                              This is me on twitter

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                              • Amputate Your Head
                                There can be only one
                                • Aug 2001
                                • 39075

                                #165
                                Originally posted by AaronM


                                I'm on the phone with the pizza company now. They need to know the access code for the front gate.

                                Captain and Coke......
                                isn't this you?



                                you don't need anymore pizza
                                SIG TOO BIG

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                                • bhutocracy
                                  Not making A Comeback
                                  • Dec 2001
                                  • 10218

                                  #166
                                  Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                  It will take one company going down hard for this to stop...at least here in the states.

                                  My opinion is this. Once the federal government gets wind of what is going on in this business that will be their next direction to attack in.

                                  If they can't get you on "obscenity," then they'll get you on fraud. The angle of attack will take an organized crime approach, in that there is a "conspiracy" to defraud webmasters.

                                  They couldn't get Capone on anything serious so they did the next best thing, got him for tax evasion.
                                  Ok. I certainly don't disagree with you on this.
                                  I'm more talking general operation in a cheating market.

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                                  • HS-Trixxxia
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Mar 2002
                                    • 2946

                                    #167
                                    Originally posted by Equinox



                                    I didn't mean to imply that Tam has anything to do with this. I know she's worked in marketing and didn't have anything to do with the scam practices of that company.

                                    I was simply pointing out that she seems to have bad luck, that's all.

                                    Gladly she's running her own and honest program now, and I wish her the best of luck with it.
                                    Equinox - I wasn't thinking you were implying she was, (either way, you never know what business practices a company has until your feet are wet and you're either in too deep or trying to make an exit) I think she's a stand-up gal also. Was just wondering if it was the same girl (wasn't sure until I checked the emails again)

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                                    • Matt_WildCash
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 1699

                                      #168
                                      Originally posted by FabianC
                                      Is this proprietary software? If it isn't, which other sponsors are using the same software? I want to know who I should black list
                                      Fabian EVERY single major per signup sponsor at least has it written into their system for shaving. Almost every medium / major sponsor has the option but only the idiots who want to play the persignup game and who can't do it without shaving use it.

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                                      • Hooper
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 2210

                                        #169
                                        Originally posted by Undutchable


                                        Scared of being hacked too? Already covering yourself by saying it's not a criminal act?

                                        I'll bet 1000 to 1 that you shave too.
                                        Blow me, quickbuck is a clean program you pussy.

                                        If you think those stats are legit then call your lawyer and ask him what you can sue for. I did it once before I ran programs when I caught a program shaving, several thousand bucks later he told me the worst I could sue for is civil fraud and breech of contract, but that it would be a long uphill battle.

                                        If you want to be specific and start screaming things like RICO... QuickBuck could sue PIB Cash for shaving you under RICO because of the unfair competition it creates. But YOU cannot sue PIBCash under RICO for shaving you.
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                                        • JSA Matt
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 5464

                                          #170
                                          Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                          I hear they're changing their name to www.shavebucks.com
                                          ahhhhhhhhhhhh hahahahhahahaha

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                                          • XxXotic
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2002
                                            • 8500

                                            #171
                                            for those who need to know, it's a custom software, can't buy it anywhere so noone else is using it

                                            see, told ya it wouldnt be too long before the truth came out
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                                            • Honeyslut
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jan 2001
                                              • 6436

                                              #172
                                              Originally posted by Undutchable


                                              What are you kidding?

                                              Especially the little guys shave. Less to lose, and just as eager to make back their investment. They have a shave option in their script, and they're gonna use it
                                              bullshit.

                                              I use ccbill and I have never seen a fucking shave script nor would I use it .
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                                              • X37375787

                                                #173
                                                Originally posted by Trixxxia


                                                Equinox - I wasn't thinking you were implying she was, (either way, you never know what business practices a company has until your feet are wet and you're either in too deep or trying to make an exit) I think she's a stand-up gal also. Was just wondering if it was the same girl (wasn't sure until I checked the emails again)

                                                Yup, it's the Rude Bitch herself.

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                                                • RogerV
                                                  Banned!
                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 12591

                                                  #174
                                                  Originally posted by AaronM


                                                  I'm on the phone with the pizza company now. They need to know the access code for the front gate.

                                                  Captain and Coke......
                                                  Now I know why it never converted

                                                  They should have Listened to me

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                                                  • Ic3m4nZ
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2003
                                                    • 6285

                                                    #175
                                                    They really deserve to be shut down.

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                                                    • gornyhuy
                                                      Chafed.
                                                      • May 2002
                                                      • 18041

                                                      #176
                                                      Why aren't we all post-bombing hahahahahahahahaha.com with screenshots?
                                                      Did I miss that part?

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                                                      • bhutocracy
                                                        Not making A Comeback
                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                        • 10218

                                                        #177
                                                        Originally posted by eroswebmaster

                                                        You can take issue with whatever you wish to take issue, but the fact still remains it's a life concept I find rather weak.

                                                        That concept of accepting getting fucked in my opinion only should be applicable when sitting in jail with a big dude name bubba and he's got a shank at your throat...and even then I'm still fighting back.
                                                        fight back against what?
                                                        that method is a form of fighting back in that you are getting closer to what you are owed by getting a higher paycheck.
                                                        So tell me, when you don't know anything, how are you supposed to "fight" I find it a pointless "life concept".
                                                        Shadowboxing at nothing. I'll take not losing as much thanks.
                                                        This is the current reality, your argument would make a lot more sense if we could magically determine if someone was shaving and then punish them, but we can't.

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                                                        • - Jesus Christ -
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 7197

                                                          #178
                                                          Originally posted by gornyhuy
                                                          Why aren't we all post-bombing hahahahahahahahaha.com with screenshots?
                                                          Did I miss that part?
                                                          Yes c'mon poeple lets go!


                                                          To the foront lines! Sig Heil mine shaver!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                          Amen

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                                                          • Hooper
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                            • 2210

                                                            #179
                                                            Originally posted by Trixxxia
                                                            Hooper - why are you saying 'shaving like this' do you agree with shaving of any kind?
                                                            I mentioned that specifically because some people consider not giving credit for backup processors, ach, phone joins, exit console joins to be "shaving" (e.g. shaving is ANYTHING that results in the referring webmaster not getting credit for sales that they in some way referred).

                                                            The difference is that the latter *kind* of shaving is usually written in the TOS.
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                                                            • DTK
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                              • 4546

                                                              #180
                                                              Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                              I hear they're changing their name to www.shavebucks.com
                                                              I heard it was www.shaveisgood.com
                                                              Last edited by DTK; 12-08-2003, 05:35 PM.
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                                                              • 69pornlinks
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                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                • 5560

                                                                #181
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                                                                • Dawgy
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 5856

                                                                  #182
                                                                  how exactly did u get this screen shot? are there more? if not, why?
                                                                  the revolution is coming.

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                                                                  • eroswebmaster
                                                                    March 1st, 2003
                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                    • 20295

                                                                    #183
                                                                    Originally posted by Hooper


                                                                    Blow me, quickbuck is a clean program you pussy.

                                                                    If you think those stats are legit then call your lawyer and ask him what you can sue for. I did it once before I ran programs when I caught a program shaving, several thousand bucks later he told me the worst I could sue for is civil fraud and breech of contract, but that it would be a long uphill battle.

                                                                    If you want to be specific and start screaming things like RICO... QuickBuck could sue PIB Cash for shaving you under RICO because of the unfair competition it creates. But YOU cannot sue PIBCash under RICO for shaving you.

                                                                    Once again:
                                                                    http://www.ricoact.com/

                                                                    In the 1980's, however, civil lawyers noticed section 1964(c) of the RICO Act, which allows civil claims to be brought by any person injured in their business or property by reason of a RICO violation. Any person who succeeded in establishing a civil RICO claim would automatically receive judgment in the amount of three times their actual damages and would be awarded their costs and attorneys' fees. The financial windfall available under RICO inspired the creativity of lawyers across the nation, and by the late 1980's, RICO was a (if not the most) commonly asserted claim in federal court. Everyone was trying to depict civil claims, such as common law fraud, product defect, and breach of contract as criminal wrongdoing, which would in turn enable the filing of a civil RICO action
                                                                    Who knows maybe your lawyer is not familiar with RICO, I'm not a lawyer but we both know that a lawyer will not always take on cases especially if he/she does not see it as bieing finanically feasible to do so.

                                                                    I don't know the particulars of your case, but maybe he just wasn't interested.

                                                                    Also, you and I both know the law can be interpreted in many ways so his interpretation, mine, yours, the judges and even the supreme courts will all be different.

                                                                    Here's some more interesting stuff from that site:

                                                                    Do I have a RICO Claim?:
                                                                    http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/index.asp

                                                                    As I stated above I think this will be a direction the federal government will move into in order to shut some of these companies down. Where they might fail in bringing obscenity charges, they might prosper in bringing criminal fraud charges.

                                                                    You're talking about crossing state borders, if the money was wired or the check was mailed quite possibly could involve mail and wire fraud...the list goes on.

                                                                    It will happen. I've been saying it for about 2 years now. Maybe not today, maybe not next year, but mark my words IT WILL HAPPEN.
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                                                                    • AaronM
                                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 46917

                                                                      #184
                                                                      Originally posted by Amputate Your Head


                                                                      isn't this you?



                                                                      you don't need anymore pizza
                                                                      No worries...I ordered a Big Sausage Pizza just for you.

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                                                                      • Dawgy
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                                        • 5856

                                                                        #185
                                                                        Originally posted by AaronM
                                                                        No worries...I ordered a Big Sausage Pizza just for you.
                                                                        i always knew amp loves the co... sausage...
                                                                        the revolution is coming.

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                                                                        • onlymovies
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                          • 906

                                                                          #186
                                                                          I was going to try pushing tonifreeland.com as a test for a new traffic filter.

                                                                          I'm confused though...isn't tonifreeland.com AaronM's site? I thought i read that somewhere before. If not, please correct me so i can retract that statement and offer my apology to him.
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                                                                          • jimmyf
                                                                            OU812
                                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                                            • 12651

                                                                            #187
                                                                            Originally posted by [Brian]


                                                                            I'm sure the intended effect is to make your program look MORE credible .. does it though?

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                                                                            • gornyhuy
                                                                              Chafed.
                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 18041

                                                                              #188
                                                                              AaronM,
                                                                              Just a friendly reminder:
                                                                              The first item in your sig is a PIBCash Promo!!!!

                                                                              icq:159548293

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                                                                              • AaronM
                                                                                GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                • 46917

                                                                                #189
                                                                                Originally posted by onlymovies
                                                                                I was going to try pushing tonifreeland.com as a test for a new traffic filter.

                                                                                I'm confused though...isn't tonifreeland.com AaronM's site? I thought i read that somewhere before. If not, please correct me so i can retract that statement and offer my apology to him.

                                                                                Yes...It is.

                                                                                No apology needed.

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                                                                                • Dirty F
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 59204

                                                                                  #190
                                                                                  Aaron? You are affiliated with these guys, arent you?

                                                                                  How come you dont seem to mind whats happening?

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                                                                                  • AaronM
                                                                                    GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                                    • 46917

                                                                                    #191
                                                                                    Originally posted by gornyhuy
                                                                                    AaronM,
                                                                                    Just a friendly reminder:
                                                                                    The first item in your sig is a PIBCash Promo!!!!
                                                                                    Yep. I took it out when this thread first hit but then I decided to put it back since I have nothing to hide.

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                                                                                    • HS-Trixxxia
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                      • 2946

                                                                                      #192
                                                                                      Ok Hooper - cuz for me if I'm sending you the surfer, most likely someone I've paid for, is on your site and he uses option 2 instead of 1, I think I should get paid for yes, for me it's shaving. If you want a partner program to help your sites grow, you are basically asking for a 'PARTNER' in your business you respect him for tagging along and bringing you business whether they buy while he's looking or while he turns around - whether he's paying cash or credit card. A partner is a partner - I am using my time and money to bring people to your storefront and you decide that depending how he buys will determine if I get my cut?

                                                                                      I guess I have a very different ethic than most programs. Seems like it's definitely time for me to start my own site. If it fails it's my own fault. No use in putting time and money promoting other people if they'll decide when to pay - razorblades or payment options should not be the deciding factor.

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                                                                                      • Jason
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                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                        • 4287

                                                                                        #193
                                                                                        Originally posted by jimmyf



                                                                                        They ALL steal. period.... fucking cock suckers
                                                                                        LOL.. No
                                                                                        I stay busy.

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                                                                                        • - Jesus Christ -
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 7197

                                                                                          #194
                                                                                          Originally posted by Battuss
                                                                                          Aaron? You are affiliated with these guys, arent you?

                                                                                          How come you dont seem to mind whats happening?
                                                                                          Just becasue they shave doesnt meant EVERYTHING the've ever touched turns to poop....

                                                                                          Or does it.

                                                                                          Amen

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                                                                                          • gornyhuy
                                                                                            Chafed.
                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                            • 18041

                                                                                            #195
                                                                                            Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                            Yep. I took it out when this thread first hit but then I decided to put it back since I have nothing to hide.

                                                                                            Nice.

                                                                                            icq:159548293

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                                                                                            • Rick Latona
                                                                                              The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 6037

                                                                                              #196
                                                                                              Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                              I hear they're changing their name to www.shavebucks.com

                                                                                              HAHA that redirects!
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                                                                                              • KMR Stitch
                                                                                                I am cool
                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 14494

                                                                                                #197
                                                                                                Ouch.. I am speachless

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                                                                                                • Space Puppy
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Nov 2003
                                                                                                  • 817

                                                                                                  #198
                                                                                                  The big questions is...

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                                                                                                  • Ice
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                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                    • 26053

                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                    Originally posted by AaronM


                                                                                                    No worries...I ordered a Big Sausage Pizza just for you.

                                                                                                    HAHAHA nice one...wonder how that site is converting for ap?
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                                                                                                    • AaronM
                                                                                                      GFY Royality ;)
                                                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                                                      • 46917

                                                                                                      #200
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Battuss
                                                                                                      Aaron? You are affiliates with these guys, arent you?

                                                                                                      How come you dont seem to mind whats happening?

                                                                                                      Why should I worry? I developed a site idea, shot the content for it, and partnered up with PIBCash to promote it.

                                                                                                      I am not about to let a thread like this concern me. At this point, I have not seen any proof posted here that could not have been manufactured. Why should I panic and take a chance on making fucked up decisions or accusations based on this?

                                                                                                      I'm on vacation anyway.......No worries here.

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