How much SCIENCE do you employ in your Paysite designs?

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    • Nov 2003
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    How much SCIENCE do you employ in your Paysite designs?

    Paysite owners and designers, how much research and hard science on user purchase behavior do you employ in your designs? If someone came up with such a technology that demonstrably raised your conversion to 1:150 guaranteed, how much would you pay for it?

    Just a thought... because it seems, porn paysite design seems driven more by lucky and quirky art than actual databased experience and statistical numbers. I'm sure someone will tackle this if the payday is big enough.
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      #2
      bump for the future multimillionaire software guys out there.

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        • Veterans Day
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          • Jul 2003
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          #3
          how much will it cost 2 bucks?
          Build a Massive Traffic Network, Hands FREE, Totally Automated

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              Originally posted by Veterans Day
              how much will it cost 2 bucks?
              Hehehehe, that's funny. Although I'm sure outsourced research of this would cost less

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                • johnbosh
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                  • Aug 2002
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                  #5
                  that should be wordt really a lot

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                      #6
                      Originally posted by johnbosh
                      that should be wordt really a lot
                      Probably. It seems that despite the MILLIONS made off the Internet...search and selling technologies are still in their infancy.

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                        • strobi
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                          • Nov 2002
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                          #7
                          Originally posted by $5 submissions
                          Paysite owners and designers, how much research and hard science on user purchase behavior do you employ in your designs? If someone came up with such a technology that demonstrably raised your conversion to 1:150 guaranteed, how much would you pay for it?

                          Just a thought... because it seems, porn paysite design seems driven more by lucky and quirky art than actual databased experience and statistical numbers. I'm sure someone will tackle this if the payday is big enough.
                          1:150 on all traffic? Millions

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                            • LadyMischief
                              Orgasms N Such!
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 18135
                              #8
                              When I was doing print marketing, we did a lot of this type of research.. I'd be interested in something like that.. Feel free to hit me up, $5, 3522039 icq or treasure at jactstudios.com.

                              ICQ 3522039
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                                • some_idiot
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                                  • May 2002
                                  • 1511
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by strobi


                                  1:150 on all traffic? Millions
                                  That's the "problem". I've been studing traffic flows more
                                  than a decade now, mostly in mainstream stuff.

                                  From FTP to gopher and now the web. The only consistancy is
                                  that as soon as you figure out how a traffic flow works a
                                  variable flips and you've got to rework the equation.

                                  The only reliable trick that I've found to keep ratios up over
                                  an extended period of time is to change the tour sample
                                  pics at an average time that a particular niche's bookmarkers
                                  tend to revisit the site. Static tours say static membership
                                  content.

                                  This AVS pays my mortgage!

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                                      Very interesting observations. We've been manually generating profiles and feeding them to a database. Maybe the trick is to plugin to a statistical modeling module that can make predictions.

                                      Originally posted by some_idiot


                                      That's the "problem". I've been studing traffic flows more
                                      than a decade now, mostly in mainstream stuff.

                                      From FTP to gopher and now the web. The only consistancy is
                                      that as soon as you figure out how a traffic flow works a
                                      variable flips and you've got to rework the equation.

                                      The only reliable trick that I've found to keep ratios up over
                                      an extended period of time is to change the tour sample
                                      pics at an average time that a particular niche's bookmarkers
                                      tend to revisit the site. Static tours say static membership
                                      content.

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                                        • TheSenator
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                                          • Feb 2003
                                          • 13330
                                          #11
                                          Red White and Blue fonts do really well.....using fonts with curves at the end work really well too.....compare to square fonts....your sign-up page should include a lot of white because white is what people trust.....Comp Science and Psycho Majors really help
                                          ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                                              Originally posted by TheSenator
                                              Red White and Blue fonts do really well.....using fonts with curves at the end work really well too.....compare to square fonts....your sign-up page should include a lot of white because white is what people trust.....Comp Science and Psycho Majors really help
                                              Sounds really organized LOL

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                                                • Brad-Wishing
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                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                  #13
                                                  Yeah when I was in mainstream my job was to analize color combinations with the offer, with the price...

                                                  We had so much data it was mental.

                                                  But it was all VERY relivant and made us hundreds of thousands more dollars than if we just threw something up and hoped it worked, then randomly changed it.

                                                  We knew exactly what was going on... colors, days of the week... everything.
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                                                      Exactly! And this was fed into a database so messaging decisions can be made quickly to maximize ROI.


                                                      Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
                                                      Yeah when I was in mainstream my job was to analize color combinations with the offer, with the price...

                                                      We had so much data it was mental.

                                                      But it was all VERY relivant and made us hundreds of thousands more dollars than if we just threw something up and hoped it worked, then randomly changed it.

                                                      We knew exactly what was going on... colors, days of the week... everything.

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                                                          #15
                                                          as you can tell, there's a lot of subjective guessing and hunches that go in to paysite design. What may work one day may not work the other day. AMP has some ideas: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=204508 But these ideas vary from designer to designer and are encumbered by too many contingencies.

                                                          This thread is about using science to minimize guesswork and reliance on designers per say and let the statistics itself redraw the paysite.

                                                          I hope a programmer or paysite owner is reading this thread. Whoever can nail it down will become a BILLIONAIRE. I am almost certain.

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                                                            • TDF
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                                                              • Mar 2002
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                                                              #16
                                                              its all about the algortihims
                                                              Sig heil

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                                                                • xxxzoltan
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                                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Veterans Day
                                                                  how much will it cost 2 bucks?
                                                                  almost enough
                                                                  1-2-3 GFY

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                                                                    • Brad-Wishing
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                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                      • 2415
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                                      Exactly! And this was fed into a database so messaging decisions can be made quickly to maximize ROI.
                                                                      It needs to be amultisite effort though.
                                                                      We had 1 BILLION ad impressions a month. So we had a lot of traffic to work with.

                                                                      Either you would need to collaborate with a huge paysite to do this, or make a multiproject type site where many companies could say contribute to a database somehow.

                                                                      $5... make a site like this and YOU will be the millionaire.
                                                                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                                                        • - AFN -
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                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by toodamnfli
                                                                          its all about the algortihims

                                                                          That's right, Darwin!

                                                                          Its also about testing.
                                                                          cat cash* | tr -d '\r' | tr -s '/n' > money

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