Originally posted by Amputate Your Head some of you guys got your priorities mixed up.... a shiny BMW isn't going to increase in value like a house will. And it's not going to help you on your taxes either, like a house will.
and 400 square feet??? My deck is 1200 sq ft.
I agree. Bought a house in '97. CPA told me I needed the interest for a write-off so I didn't pay cash, but since then he's decided the interest isn't doing as much good as paying the house off does. I'll be paid off in February...yehaaww.. then I can sit back and watch it increase in value every year.
As for the 400 square feet. My bedroom is way bigger than that. I think my first apartment was 700 sq feet.
As for a 1300 square foot apartment..why pay in rent what you could be paying on a house payment?
Originally posted by seven
You don't think world goes round according to what "smart money" says now do you? I have a cousin that owns 80 apartments and a relative that buys and sells houses and both got about 100% of their assets in real estate. Each of 'em got more than 1 fancy car but bought 'em long after they bought their first houses.. and oh if you tell them about smart money they'd prolly say.. well.. prolly won't say anything but just laugh out loud that's all
I have been advising bankers, investment firms and individuals about real estate matters for the past 8 years on a daily basis so I think I know a thing or two about real estate
I'm sure most people don't need smart money to tell them that tying up all your assets in real estate is simply crazy no matter how poor or rich you are.
Originally posted by seven
well if you are not wasting your money on a fancy car that should be okay but then again a moderate size house value in a good area appreciates more over time than a condo(apt). I lived in a condo/apartment and I also lived in a house all by myself in the past and tell you it's nicer living in a house even when you are alone specially when you know you won't lose a cent instead may profit some with the house that you bought. You gotta think about your future children too what you do now will effect them in future. Othewise they may badly miss the money you wasted on stupid stuff and have them face proverty. Also, when have a house of your own and maybe a couple rental properties no-one will tell you not to buy a fancy car then
That's one of the smartest things ever posted on GFY
A friend of mine bought a house a couple of years ago. 300 thousand australian dollars. Paid for it cash. He has driven a 1979 holden commodore since the early 80's, and only recently bought a '95 model i think (which at the time he bought it, would have only set him back about AU$12 thousand).
It's funny. He'll tell me about all the people he knows, driving 50 thousand, 100 thousand dollar cars, complaining about their mortgage payments and their car payments. Ahh yes. I laugh at them too.
Originally posted by chodadog A friend of mine bought a house a couple of years ago. 300 thousand australian dollars. Paid for it cash. He has driven a 1979 holden commodore since the early 80's, and only recently bought a '95 model i think (which at the time he bought it, would have only set him back about AU$12 thousand).
It's funny. He'll tell me about all the people he knows, driving 50 thousand, 100 thousand dollar cars, complaining about their mortgage payments and their car payments. Ahh yes. I laugh at them too.
Car payments.....baahh....haven't had monthly car payments since the early '90s. Cars cost enough already and start depreciating the moment you drive off the lot.. why make monthly payments plus interest on top of all that.
Originally posted by Alex from Montreal Not necessarily. Smart money says you will be better off renting an apartment and investing the difference between the rent you pay and the total monthly cost of owning a same size apartment.
Ding ding ding!
In some places, real estate is just rediculous.. example: here in San Diego, prices are just out of control. To "own" my condo, mortgage+homeowners+insurance would be about $7500/month. Rent is less than half that. I can earn much more on my money by investing.
In some places, real estate is just rediculous.. example: here in San Diego, prices are just out of control. To "own" my condo, mortgage+homeowners+insurance would be about $7500/month. Rent is less than half that. I can earn much more on my money by investing.
Everyday I see people who spend thosands of dollars on brand clothes, buy 10k watches etc, but live in real shitty appartments and constantly borrow money from someone else.
I still say housing in the best indicator of wealth, only because it's the hardest to "fake". Paying $10k for a watch is a lot easier than spending $3000-4000/month on a housing payment (rent or mortgage).
lots of asians are like that here in Toronto...they drive these "souped" up (I dunno how to spell it) cars and you go to their houses and they either live at home still or live at jane/finch (our ghetto) in a roach infested apartment..
personally I'm saving for a house, equity is much more valuable here in toronto...especially the location...
It's funny. He'll tell me about all the people he knows, driving 50 thousand, 100 thousand dollar cars, complaining about their mortgage payments and their car payments. Ahh yes. I laugh at them too.
same here
if you buy a $100k car and have to struggle to make they payments -> you = idiot
That's a nice BMW you've got there, Mr Tran, too bad you can't live in it. Enjoying your 1 bedroom 400 sq ft apartment?
morons.
I laugh at you laughing at those people.
But yes, it is pretty silly...
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over 20 years, you'd pay 300k interest on a 250K loan (thats the figures I worked out a few months ago)
if you payed 200 p/w rent for 52wks x 20 years that equals 200K. If you saved like you would have paid a mortgage ($250pw x 52wk x 20) thats $260k in savings, not including interest, dividends or money made from investments.
With that you can argue rent going up (like I could say interest rate going up), inflation, a property boom etc. you could also include the 3-6% a year your property will go up (some are going up higher right now, but they're the ones you can't afford to buy now anyway), and I could argue shire rates and their steady increase, property upkeep etc,
over 20 years, you'd pay 300k interest on a 250K loan (thats the figures I worked out a few months ago)
if you payed 200 p/w rent for 52wks x 20 years that equals 200K. If you saved like you would have paid a mortgage ($250pw x 52wk x 20) thats $260k in savings, not including interest, dividends or money made from investments.
With that you can argue rent going up (like I could say interest rate going up), inflation, a property boom etc. you could also include the 3-6% a year your property will go up (some are going up higher right now, but they're the ones you can't afford to buy now anyway), and I could argue shire rates and their steady increase, property upkeep etc,
Yup that's how I see it also, totally agree with you on that one.
That counts for most areas, atleast where I live .... prices don't really skyrocket here.
I'm renting a house, so I guess I'm not allowed to have a sweet ride huh
Well I'm renting mainly because I like to move every 3-4 years hehe
who are forced to live in shitty place because of the payments they need to make for their status car are idiots ... those that choose to live in a (small) rental crib aren't by default idiots
To me, it depends on what you want or need more. I live in an older house that we are renting, and getting ready to build. The new house will be 3 story on a mesa over looking the coast line. Should come about to about 4500 sq ft. So, we have not gotten a new car in some time. I still have my 2002 truck. We have to pay cash for the house, so saving is important
If you do not have familly, you may have a car better than the house, but when you have one, this is the family that you have to care about so buy a good house and fuck the car.
The thing is if you spend all your $'s on a sports car you won't really enjoy that car I think! I could mortgage my home and buy the best new lambo or something but I'd be shitting myself everytime I drove it in case i scratch the paint!
I love my car but I thrash it on the road and on the track! yea I will lose money on it and possibly write it off but fuck it whats the point in having a high performance car if you are just going to polish the fucking thing all day?!
Darling, this goes for different people. Me personally i am not a house
kinda guy, and this goes along with any guy who doesnt have a family.
Why buy a big house where you will live alone? Id get a nice apt in NYC,
nothing big, nice view.. nice area and thats it, until i am like 30+ and
ready to get going with the family thing.
Yep I totaly agree, I couldn't see myself living in a house when I was not married, no point really. Too much upkeep for a single guy. Downtown condo's are the way to go for a single guy.
Then once you're married get a house cause you need the extra space as the condo gets way too crowded with two people living in it.
my condo is over 1400 sqare feet with a view of lake and trail, included with sauna, weight room, pool tables, tennis / squash court and pool with heavy security. Not sure where your living at 400 square feet.
You know as well as I do that 400SQ Feet is not uncommon in Toronto and can actually cost you up to 2k a month in rent, if its in the right building!
Secondly, if you do the math, there is a line at about the 13-18 year mark where owning property outweighs renting for the same value. If you're young and don't plan on renting for more than half of that time then it makes FAR FAR FAR more financial sense not to tie your life up in repayments on property.
As far as cars go, most people with `status` cars have some business interest and there would be putting it through their business. Done properly, a car lease will end up costing you *LESS* than if you were to buy it outright (10-20% less after your negotiated price).
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