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  • MrPopup
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    • Aug 2002
    • 3783

    #1

    "Credibility of U.S. democracy at stake"

    Hack the Vote
    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    New York Times

    December 2, 2003


    Inviting Bush supporters to a fund-raiser, the host wrote, "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." No surprise there. But Walden O'Dell ? who says that he wasn't talking about his business operations ? happens to be the chief executive of Diebold Inc., whose touch-screen voting machines are in increasingly widespread use across the United States.

    For example, Georgia ? where Republicans scored spectacular upset victories in the 2002 midterm elections ? relies exclusively on Diebold machines. To be clear, though there were many anomalies in that 2002 vote, there is no evidence that the machines miscounted. But there is also no evidence that the machines counted correctly. You see, Diebold machines leave no paper trail.

    Representative Rush Holt of New Jersey, who has introduced a bill requiring that digital voting machines leave a paper trail and that their software be available for public inspection, is occasionally told that systems lacking these safeguards haven't caused problems. "How do you know?" he asks.

    What we do know about Diebold does not inspire confidence. The details are technical, but they add up to a picture of a company that was, at the very least, extremely sloppy about security, and may have been trying to cover up product defects.

    Early this year Bev Harris, who is writing a book on voting machines, found Diebold software ? which the company refuses to make available for public inspection, on the grounds that it's proprietary ? on an unprotected server, where anyone could download it. (The software was in a folder titled "rob-Georgia.zip.") The server was used by employees of Diebold Election Systems to update software on its machines. This in itself was an incredible breach of security, offering someone who wanted to hack into the machines both the information and the opportunity to do so.

    An analysis of Diebold software by researchers at Johns Hopkins and Rice Universities found it both unreliable and subject to abuse. A later report commissioned by the state of Maryland apparently reached similar conclusions. (It's hard to be sure because the state released only a heavily redacted version.)

    Meanwhile, leaked internal Diebold e-mail suggests that corporate officials knew their system was flawed, and circumvented tests that would have revealed these problems. The company hasn't contested the authenticity of these documents; instead, it has engaged in legal actions to prevent their dissemination.

    Why isn't this front-page news? In October, a British newspaper, The Independent, ran a hair-raising investigative report on U.S. touch-screen voting. But while the mainstream press has reported the basics, the Diebold affair has been treated as a technology or business story ? not as a potential political scandal.

    This diffidence recalls the treatment of other voting issues, like the Florida "felon purge" that inappropriately prevented many citizens from voting in the 2000 presidential election. The attitude seems to be that questions about the integrity of vote counts are divisive at best, paranoid at worst. Even reform advocates like Mr. Holt make a point of dissociating themselves from "conspiracy theories." Instead, they focus on legislation to prevent future abuses.

    But there's nothing paranoid about suggesting that political operatives, given the opportunity, might engage in dirty tricks. Indeed, given the intensity of partisanship these days, one suspects that small dirty tricks are common. For example, Orrin Hatch, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, recently announced that one of his aides had improperly accessed sensitive Democratic computer files that were leaked to the press.

    This admission ? contradicting an earlier declaration by Senator Hatch that his staff had been cleared of culpability ? came on the same day that the Senate police announced that they were hiring a counterespionage expert to investigate the theft. Republican members of the committee have demanded that the expert investigate only how those specific documents were leaked, not whether any other breaches took place. I wonder why.

    The point is that you don't have to believe in a central conspiracy to worry that partisans will take advantage of an insecure, unverifiable voting system to manipulate election results. Why expose them to temptation?

    I'll discuss what to do in a future column. But let's be clear: the credibility of U.S. democracy may be at stake.
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  • Triple 6
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    • Feb 2002
    • 5394

    #2
    whatever. fuck voting. voting is BULLSHIT, my vote, your vote, NOBODIES vote counts.... unless you are in that electoral college crap.
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    • nap
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2002
      • 2765

      #3
      what the fuck is next

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      • hornycash
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        • Jun 2002
        • 2336

        #4
        i don't vote

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        • davidd
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2003
          • 1076

          #5
          For the record the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.

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          • hyatla
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            • Oct 2003
            • 1720

            #6
            Originally posted by davidd
            For the record the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.
            So is China.
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            • zzgundamnzz
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              • Apr 2002
              • 6102

              #7
              Originally posted by davidd
              For the record the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.
              The US would be so screwed if it was a pure democracy.


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              • TheMaster
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2003
                • 2734

                #8
                Originally posted by davidd
                For the record the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.
                fuck, where did I hear that, in The West Wing? Great show by the way.

                democracy and republic don't exclude each other, I live in a kingdom, but hell, we have a democracy, our king has only a public relations role.

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                • directfiesta
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 30220

                  #9
                  Originally posted by hyatla


                  So is China.
                  ouch!

                  BTW, so was... IRAQ !
                  I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                  But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                  • Rich
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11486

                    #10
                    Yeah it's pretty sad when this isn't making front page news. The Americans couldn't have mentioned Saddam's fake 100% election win more often, but they don't seem to care about their own votes being counted. Oh wait Fear Factor's on who cares

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                    • BrutalMaster
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                      • Oct 2002
                      • 256

                      #11
                      Originally posted by davidd
                      For the record the US is not a democracy, it is a republic.
                      No, actually, we are a democratic republic That is a significant difference.

                      Brutal
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                      • TheMaster
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 2734

                        #12
                        Originally posted by BrutalMaster


                        No, actually, we are a democratic republic That is a significant difference.

                        Brutal
                        always nice when smart people speak up

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                        • Webby
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 14956

                          #13
                          No, actually, we are a democratic republic That is a significant difference.
                          Ah.. is that what it's claimed to be??

                          Others have called it a "bananna republic", a "rogue regime" .. and onwards! Maybe a balance in the middle is about right?

                          BTW.. When the 43rd Reich

                          - stops having it's "enforcement" calling on folks who expressed "dissatisfaction" with the regime

                          - when they do allow actual liberty to even it's own citizens and offer them legal representation and a trial

                          - when the do comply with the basic international agreements they entered into

                          - when they quit the "right" to enter your home and remove "whatever" while you are at the mall (and say nothing)

                          maybe then there is a vague hope it can be called a "democracy". I can't think of *any* other democracy in the world that has these "rights" to abuse
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                          • davidd
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                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1076

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BrutalMaster


                            No, actually, we are a democratic republic That is a significant difference.

                            Brutal
                            Reread the actual documents that formed this nation.

                            The constitution (particularly Article IV sec. 4) and follow that up with Madison's Federalist papers (particulary #10).

                            The founding fathers had great issues with Democracies. I am unphased but what labels people want to throw at the country from their own viewpoints. I was correcting a common mistake the original poster made. Hopefully they will take the correction and actually understand why the country was constructed the way it was.

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                            • davidd
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1076

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Webby


                              Ah.. is that what it's claimed to be??

                              Others have called it a "bananna republic", a "rogue regime" .. and onwards! Maybe a balance in the middle is about right?

                              BTW.. When the 43rd Reich

                              - stops having it's "enforcement" calling on folks who expressed "dissatisfaction" with the regime

                              - when they do allow actual liberty to even it's own citizens and offer them legal representation and a trial

                              - when the do comply with the basic international agreements they entered into

                              - when they quit the "right" to enter your home and remove "whatever" while you are at the mall (and say nothing)

                              maybe then there is a vague hope it can be called a "democracy". I can't think of *any* other democracy in the world that has these "rights" to abuse

                              Couldn't agree more.

                              --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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