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11-28-2003, 07:29 PM

When I got my system I made sure I let em know I want my system to be able to be upgraded. Well my wife bought me Dark Age of Camelot and my "integrated" video card isn't supported by the game and from what I understand with an integrated system I can't update my graphics card!!

Dell!!

I was gonna play that game and relax for quite a while this holiday weekend and now I fucking can't. Bastards.

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11-28-2003, 07:34 PM

Why can't you upgrade it? Is it a laptop or desktop?
You can disable the onboard video in BIUS and add a new AGP card as long as you have a AGP port.
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11-28-2003, 07:39 PM

It's a desktop.

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11-28-2003, 07:40 PM

Shouldn't have a problem then. Open it up just too make sure you have AGP port which you should. Or see if any of your manuals talk about it.
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11-29-2003, 12:26 PM

cheap dude, you went for the lowest computer. Sure, you can upgrade memory and drives, but it doesnt come with a AGP port, thats why you got it cheap :-0
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11-29-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by StacyCat
cheap dude, you went for the lowest computer. Sure, you can upgrade memory and drives, but it doesnt come with a AGP port, thats why you got it cheap :-0

did i miss the post that said the model or whether he has an agp port or not?
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11-29-2003, 12:33 PM

Thats what ya get for buying a DELL...

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11-29-2003, 12:36 PM

Yep, it sounds like you just didn't do your homework and bought on the cheap. I've never heard of a Dell that wasn't upgradeable.

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11-29-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ
Thats what ya get for buying a DELL...

http://www.alienware.com <---- YOU WILL BE SATISFIED.

A bit expensive but great machines

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11-29-2003, 12:49 PM

I have built all my PC's except two...

Ya oughtah learn the mechanics of hardware and configurations. Once ya do that you will wonder why in the fuck it costs 3K plus to buy a state of the art PC when you can build from scratch and spend less than 2k for even a better machine.

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11-30-2003, 12:06 PM

I see.
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11-30-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ
I have built all my PC's except two...

Ya oughtah learn the mechanics of hardware and configurations. Once ya do that you will wonder why in the fuck it costs 3K plus to buy a state of the art PC when you can build from scratch and spend less than 2k for even a better machine.

I must admit...
I was a hardware junkie first at age 17. Never lost the love for Hardware

same here. i spent about 1k on a system that now would retail for about 3k @ gateway or dell. plus i can upgrade it as much as i want. shit one of the most expensive parts of building a pc is the monitor
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11-30-2003, 01:06 PM

alienware have some really hot systems.... but like a few others here said, I also build my own!

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11-30-2003, 01:19 PM

These are pretty bad ass for anyone into gaming:

http://falcon-nw.com/fragbox.asp

You sure there isn't an AGP slot in there? That must have been one hell of a cheap ass computer if there isn't one.
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11-30-2003, 02:02 PM

Dell sucks. My last computer was a Dell. Never again!

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11-30-2003, 02:13 PM

Nothing wrong with a Dell. I have one, my last company had over 1,000+ of them, no problems with them and if there ever was they shipped me a replacement part no questions asked. Back to the original question, I take it you got a desktop machine and not a workstation. They are the cheapies of Dell but all is not lost. Just because you have an integrated video chip doesn't mean that it's not upgradable. All you need to do is go into your BIOS, disable the integrated video card and and set it to use the AGP slot (you did get an AGP slot with the machine right ?). If you didn't get an AGP slot them you need to get a PCI video card which is going to be slower then their AGP counterparts. Now, after you've set and saved the BIOS turn the machine off, slap the new video card in and turn your box back on. You should be using your newly installed video card and not the integrated one. Next time when you get a Dell make sure you get a workstation class machine. Enjoy...
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11-30-2003, 02:13 PM

Heck..my boys play Dark Age of Camelot on my Dell Inspiron Laptop.. never a problem.

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11-30-2003, 02:15 PM

Someone just told me that with an integrated system I wouldn't be able to upgrade. I'm not techie at all. I know I can expand my memory as there is one open slot for that. I know that's not it. Is it the area on the motherboard that has places to put things like where my cable modem gets plugged in in the back of the computer?

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11-30-2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by KobyBoy
Nothing wrong with a Dell. I have one, my last company had over 1,000+ of them, no problems with them and if there ever was they shipped me a replacement part no questions asked. Back to the original question, I take it you got a desktop machine and not a workstation. They are the cheapies of Dell but all is not lost. Just because you have an integrated video chip doesn't mean that it's not upgradable. All you need to do is go into your BIOS, disable the integrated video card and and set it to use the AGP slot (you did get an AGP slot with the machine right ?). If you didn't get an AGP slot them you need to get a PCI video card which is going to be slower then their AGP counterparts. Now, after you've set and saved the BIOS turn the machine off, slap the new video card in and turn your box back on. You should be using your newly installed video card and not the integrated one. Next time when you get a Dell make sure you get a workstation class machine. Enjoy...

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11-30-2003, 02:19 PM

I actually really love this computer. I had nothing but problems with my Gateway computer before. Damn thing drove me nuts. Got this Dell and almost never have any problems.

I just assumed since I was able to play Everquest with my current video set-up I would be able to play DAoC as well.

We all knwo what happens when you assume.

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11-30-2003, 02:34 PM

You welcome You can always upgrade the machine with the integrated peripherals but your system performance will not be the same as other custom machines. Generally the Dell "cheapies" were built for people who are not power users and are not going to upgrade them so they don't use high-end comonents in them. Whatever the cheapest thing Dell can buy from a manufacturer that is somewhat reliable will go into those computers. You can put in a more powerful video card into it but you will most probably not get the same framerates as you would get from a custom built box that has a higher FSB (Front Side Bus). Next time you order a Dell make sure you choose from their workstation products. They have very nice components in them that are pretty descent for gaming. Or if you have some serious $$$ to burn you could go for their gaming system but I don't know much about that. Or if you want to go over the top crazy you could get an Alienware or a Falcon gaming box.
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11-30-2003, 02:53 PM

Thanks for that bit of info as well. Much appreciated. I like my Dell quite a bit but just got pissed when I realized I wasn't gonna be able to play the game right away.

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11-30-2003, 02:57 PM

Here's a pic of an AGP slot. If you don't have one, don't even bother getting a PCI video card, because I can almost guarantee you that you are going to have more problems running any new game on a PCI video card than you would on your integrated card.

http://www.laray.com/build/video.html
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12-01-2003, 03:59 PM

Fuck, there is no AGP slot at all!!

What is so bad about PCI video cards??

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12-01-2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by TheEnforcer
Fuck, there is no AGP slot at all!!

What is so bad about PCI video cards??

Just go to any video card manufacturer's web site and see what they currently offer. I know of none that produce PCI video cards anymore. If they do, they are not meant to be gaming video cards.
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12-01-2003, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by AlienQ
I have built all my PC's except two...

Ya oughtah learn the mechanics of hardware and configurations. Once ya do that you will wonder why in the fuck it costs 3K plus to buy a state of the art PC when you can build from scratch and spend less than 2k for even a better machine.

I must admit...
I was a hardware junkie first at age 17. Never lost the love for Hardware

I'm just like you, an hardware junkie

and I've build all my PCs. That's the best way to save a lot, and you are SURE that you have a great system.
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12-01-2003, 04:26 PM

Actually you have a few choices in PCI cards. This article might help.

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=445&pid=1595

They are all crappy video cards though compared to any of the AGP cards out there.
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12-01-2003, 04:27 PM

Pisser.. I was at Best Buy looking around and the girl there said I could use a PCI video card assuming it was supported by DAoC but the performance wasn't going to be the best.

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12-01-2003, 04:33 PM

The only reason Dell sucks is they use propriotary connectors for the power to the motherboard. So you can't switch motherboards without buying it from Dell. Or power supplies.

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12-01-2003, 04:39 PM

Any of these PCI cards??

GeForce 2 Ultra *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 GTS/Ti/Pro *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 2 MX *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 3

GeForce 3 Ti200

GeForce 3 Ti500

GeForce 4 mx420 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 mx440 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

GeForce 4 Ti 4200

GeForce 4 Ti 4400

GeForce 4 Ti 4600

GeForce 4 Ti 4800

GeForce FX 5200 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

GeForce FX 5600 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

GeForce FX 5900 (if lock-ups occur in SI, use classic shadows)

All In Wonder Radeon *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

Radeon 7500 *no reflective water support / classic shadows only*

All In Wonder Radeon 8500

Radeon 8500

Radeon 9000 Pro

Radeon 9500

Radeon 9500 Pro

Radeon 9600

Radeon 9700

Radeon 9700 Pro

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12-01-2003, 04:59 PM

Here's a list of PCI video cards.
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12-01-2003, 05:12 PM

Dell is the best
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12-01-2003, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by evildick
Here's a list of PCI video cards.

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