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  • Bentley
    Registered User
    • Nov 2002
    • 38

    #1

    Verotel Vs Ibill

    I'm currently working with IBILL, but want to try Verotel. Any suggestions about Verotel ? Have you met problems working with them ?
  • pamphage
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2003
    • 3569

    #2
    verotel pays out like clockwork every week. no problems.
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    • doober
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2003
      • 6984

      #3
      except they never answer emails....BUT they have live support and they answer the phone.
      Works for now

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      • pamphage
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2003
        • 3569

        #4
        Originally posted by doober
        except they never answer emails....BUT they have live support and they answer the phone.
        Works for now
        they answer my emails, though it takes a few days.

        of course he's asking about in comparison to ibill so i can't imagine it's too much worse than ibill customer service.
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        • Veterans Day
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2003
          • 8403

          #5
          if its that serious of a problem PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE, why trust a huge problem to an email, you guys crack me up. Verotel pays like clockwork
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          • Alice22
            Confirmed User
            • Nov 2003
            • 907

            #6
            Support is slow, but evetuthing else is fine.
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            • Veterans Day
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              • Jul 2003
              • 8403

              #7
              Originally posted by Alice22
              Support is slow, but evetuthing else is fine.
              how slow is a phone call, ring-ring Hello
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              • doober
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2003
                • 6984

                #8
                Originally posted by Veterans Day
                if its that serious of a problem PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE, why trust a huge problem to an email, you guys crack me up. Verotel pays like clockwork
                I have no Qualms about calling them, shit ive called them several times!
                The only bitch is the time diff for the office hours

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                • Bentley
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 38

                  #9
                  And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?

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                  • doober
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 6984

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bentley
                    And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?
                    no.
                    There is a time lapse tho to get paid, I dunno how many weeks it was anymore...call and ask or signup and find out

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                    • bdld
                      $100,000
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 11452

                      #11
                      verotel works for me

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                      • BukkakeBrown
                        Confirmed User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 734

                        #12
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                        • directfiesta
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 30179

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BukkakeBrown
                          If you get a good sales rep....iBill is money.
                          Agreed.

                          I had stopped new signups with Ibill, because my rep was a disaster ( Sylvia Perez).

                          When I had to go with then after the Visa shit, I had a new rep ( no, I keep it a secret...) and everything is great since...

                          Verotel seems to be OK. Only worry : the visa registration fee " evasion"....
                          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                          • swingerman
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 223

                            #14
                            Originally posted by directfiesta

                            Verotel seems to be OK. Only worry : the visa registration fee " evasion"....
                            VEROTEL is a EUROPEAN company.
                            Only VISA US requires a registration fee.
                            If you are a client of VEROTEL, CCBillEU, 2000Charge, or any other european billing processor, you simply don't have to pay the VISA fee. You are not allowed to pay this fee. They don't want the $750

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                            • Jon Levi
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 210

                              #15
                              go with PSW they are the shit

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                              • doober
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 6984

                                #16
                                Originally posted by swingerman


                                VEROTEL is a EUROPEAN company.
                                Only VISA US requires a registration fee.
                                If you are a client of VEROTEL, CCBillEU, 2000Charge, or any other european billing processor, you simply don't have to pay the VISA fee. You are not allowed to pay this fee. They don't want the $750
                                all very true, BUT....
                                Verotel also accept american webmasters which is in violation with US ipsp/visa rules

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                                • swingerman
                                  Registered User
                                  • Jul 2003
                                  • 223

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by doober


                                  all very true, BUT....
                                  Verotel also accept american webmasters which is in violation with US ipsp/visa rules
                                  you're probably right.
                                  is it also the other way round?
                                  i mean, i don't know if visa us rules apply to a european ipsp like verotel...
                                  the question is: does visa international say that a european ipsp may only process for european clients?
                                  anybody knows this for sure? i could only speculate...

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                                  • Fabien
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2003
                                    • 4789

                                    #18
                                    Got ass fucked by them

                                    Dutchbilling too as matter of fact

                                    Hi Marcel

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                                    • directfiesta
                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 30179

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by swingerman



                                      the question is: does visa international say that a european ipsp may only process for european clients?
                                      anybody knows this for sure? i could only speculate...
                                      This is what Visa is aiming to accomplish: processing clients in their own regions.

                                      So to be processed in the US by Ibill, CCbill and so on, you need:
                                      - a US corp/presence
                                      - 750.00 to give them.

                                      To be processed by a ISPS in EU, you should be :
                                      - A EU corp

                                      Now if the EU corp start processing clients out of theitr region ( US and others), then this is what causes the problem...

                                      Anyway, it is still a bucket of shit...
                                      I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                                      But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                                      • swingerman
                                        Registered User
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 223

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by directfiesta


                                        This is what Visa is aiming to accomplish: processing clients in their own regions.

                                        So to be processed in the US by Ibill, CCbill and so on, you need:
                                        - a US corp/presence
                                        - 750.00 to give them.

                                        To be processed by a ISPS in EU, you should be :
                                        - A EU corp

                                        Now if the EU corp start processing clients out of theitr region ( US and others), then this is what causes the problem...

                                        Anyway, it is still a bucket of shit...
                                        I see. thanx.

                                        yes, it's definitely shit!

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                                        • Bentley
                                          Registered User
                                          • Nov 2002
                                          • 38

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Jon Levi
                                          go with PSW they are the shit
                                          They cease processing.


                                          when I heard about Jettis and PSW ... I become hesitating to procee with Verotel. As far as I know they use Netherland processing. They might use some offshore or european merchants ... which can easily seace processing as PSW and all those within past 6 months

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                                          • AdultKing
                                            Raise Your Weapon
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 15601

                                            #22
                                            iBill owe me thousands of dollars, Verotel owe me nothing. Therefore Verotel get my vote.

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                                            • Kevin2
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 1429

                                              #23
                                              I use Verotel on one of my pay sites and as a 2nd processor on the other 13 and they are great to deal with. When CCbill declines a customer I popup a verotel signup amd most times they get approved and I've never had a charge back with them

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                                              • zentz
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                                                • Nov 2003
                                                • 8062

                                                #24
                                                verotel have a good start but i would stick with ibill for little more time
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                                                • abdab_1
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2003
                                                  • 425

                                                  #25
                                                  my advice to you is to have as many billing options as possible.

                                                  With the way things are in the current market you have to cover you ass totally.

                                                  Its a fair split between Nochex users over Verotel & CCBill I dont see many iBill users in my space.

                                                  Also again I have to say Verotal CCBill & iBill are not your only options there are a lot of processors out there. Many of who offer competitive rates.
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                                                  • rabbit
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 2124

                                                    #26
                                                    correct me if i'm wroing, but verotel has loose standards as to the type of content that's allowed on their sites... considering the tightening of regulations, isn't dealing with verotel riskier than dealing with processors that are more strict on what type of sites they accept?

                                                    just my 2c

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                                                    • conan
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                      • 72

                                                      #27
                                                      Verotel's representative took her time to call me on the phone to solve my problem with log in.

                                                      After 3 years with iBill, No f...ing way you can expect a call from them to help you out with something. I closed my account with them, suddenly some weird stuff started to happen to my reserve money. Some chargebacks, refunds this and that. I doubt that I will ever see the full reserve amount
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                                                      • SENSEX
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 1159

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by carbondream
                                                        correct me if i'm wroing, but verotel has loose standards as to the type of content that's allowed on their sites... considering the tightening of regulations, isn't dealing with verotel riskier than dealing with processors that are more strict on what type of sites they accept?

                                                        just my 2c

                                                        the rabbit
                                                        they follow the standards of their Country's laws, (Netherlands) and until those laws change why should they do different?

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                                                        • IanUK
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                          • 51

                                                          #29
                                                          If you are from Europe be aware that iBill are currently withholding all reserves for the last few months - its the third time they have done this in as many months - and there's no end in sight.

                                                          They also have the worst customer support in the industry.

                                                          Verotel all the way !

                                                          But CCBill first

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                                                          • rabbit
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 2124

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by SENSEX


                                                            they follow the standards of their Country's laws, (Netherlands) and until those laws change why should they do different?
                                                            i'm not arguing for/against, i'm just saying tha VISA is an international company (read: american). they can easily apply preassure in order to prevent those sites being available in the states

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                                                            • SENSEX
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 1159

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by carbondream


                                                              i'm not arguing for/against, i'm just saying tha VISA is an international company (read: american). they can easily apply preassure in order to prevent those sites being available in the states

                                                              the rabbit
                                                              true.

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                                                              • Jive
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Jun 2002
                                                                • 1449

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by swingerman


                                                                VEROTEL is a EUROPEAN company.
                                                                Only VISA US requires a registration fee.
                                                                If you are a client of VEROTEL, CCBillEU, 2000Charge, or any other european billing processor, you simply don't have to pay the VISA fee. You are not allowed to pay this fee. They don't want the $750
                                                                You spoke of Verotel, there really a dead end the scrub is on pretty hard over there there bad news? my opinion it ran fine for a few weeks then all signups just stopped! they suck..
                                                                So does Jettis..

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                                                                • Verotel
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 202

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Bentley
                                                                  And when do they sent first wire ? I've heard that they hold first payment and sent it after the second. Is it truth ?
                                                                  See FAQ - http://www.verotel.com/cgi-bin/m07000.pl#question33

                                                                  Also, the Verotel Service Agreement must be faxed and processed - account status "Authorized".
                                                                  Darryl McDade
                                                                  Merchant Relationship Executive
                                                                  Verotel Merchant Services BV

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                                                                  • Verotel
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 202

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by swingerman


                                                                    you're probably right.
                                                                    is it also the other way round?
                                                                    i mean, i don't know if visa us rules apply to a european ipsp like verotel...
                                                                    the question is: does visa international say that a european ipsp may only process for european clients?
                                                                    anybody knows this for sure? i could only speculate...
                                                                    Visa International and MasterCard Europe do not have the same cross-border regulation as Visa/MC US. Therefore we can process for EU AND US merchants/websites.
                                                                    Darryl McDade
                                                                    Merchant Relationship Executive
                                                                    Verotel Merchant Services BV

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                                                                    • spooky181
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                      • 2951

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Verotel
                                                                      Visa International and MasterCard Europe do not have the same cross-border regulation as Visa/MC US. Therefore we can process for EU AND US merchants/websites.
                                                                      I can vouch that Darryl and his team at Verotel are always there to help. Very professional and keen to take care of any probs that arise. Big thumbs up..

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                                                                      • SENSEX
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 1159

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Jive


                                                                        You spoke of Verotel, there really a dead end the scrub is on pretty hard over there there bad news? my opinion it ran fine for a few weeks then all signups just stopped! they suck..
                                                                        So does Jettis..
                                                                        didnt stop here...

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                                                                        • FATPad
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                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 6693

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Verotel
                                                                          Visa International and MasterCard Europe do not have the same cross-border regulation as Visa/MC US. Therefore we can process for EU AND US merchants/websites.
                                                                          Hmmm....That makes no sense.

                                                                          You're saying that everyone in the world could have avoided the VISA fees by going with Verotel?

                                                                          Sounds like Globill's plan to me.
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                                                                          • SENSEX
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                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                            • 1159

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                            Hmmm....That makes no sense.

                                                                            You're saying that everyone in the world could have avoided the VISA fees by going with Verotel?

                                                                            Sounds like Globill's plan to me.
                                                                            i think the difference is that Globill "moved" offshore to avoid the Visa fee's whereas Verotel is not U.S. based and never has been. Verotel is and always has been a EU corporation, and if my understanding is correct deal primarily with Asian and EU banks.
                                                                            Either way nobody is safe, for a variety of reasons and PSW proved that.

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                                                                            • advrice
                                                                              Registered User
                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                              • 23

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Fabien
                                                                              Got ass fucked by them

                                                                              Dutchbilling too as matter of fact

                                                                              Hi Marcel

                                                                              What's wrong with Marcel? Him, Sam and PJ are the guys that reply with some info instead of the Ibill bullshit! Verotel rules, and with the new pricing they rule even more... no more chargeback fees!

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                                                                              • xdcdave
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                • 1911

                                                                                #40
                                                                                It's funny how on a board where everyone shuns SexEducation for his CP bullshit, they are happy as hell to use a billing company that sells access to child porn.

                                                                                God damn it, is everyone blind?! They process for 9 year old girl's "modeling" sites!

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                                                                                • inthestars
                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 2021

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Verotel has the 900 billing option. That works really great for people who don't have credit cards.

                                                                                  See my sig and sign up for Verotel. I have used them for three years.

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                                                                                  • Verotel
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                    • 202

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by FATPad
                                                                                    Hmmm....That makes no sense.

                                                                                    You're saying that everyone in the world could have avoided the VISA fees by going with Verotel?

                                                                                    Sounds like Globill's plan to me.
                                                                                    That's exactly what I'm saying but was also trying to be humble. However, for some webmasters it may not have exactly been the smart thing to do considering they would have lost ALLtheir rebills. Contrary to the common practice of other billing companies, Verotel won't import rebills because that usually turns out to be a chargeback nightmare. We do have our standards and we'd rather stay in business than just make a quick buck.
                                                                                    Darryl McDade
                                                                                    Merchant Relationship Executive
                                                                                    Verotel Merchant Services BV

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                                                                                    • e-god
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                      • 1738

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      4 days a solid amount of traffic and 0 transactions with verotel.
                                                                                      Problems with bank gateway?
                                                                                      I was getting like 6-9 transactions a day and now ..0.

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                                                                                      • petepete
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                        • 246

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by spooky181


                                                                                        I can vouch that Darryl and his team at Verotel are always there to help. Very professional and keen to take care of any probs that arise. Big thumbs up..
                                                                                        Yes, Darryl is a very good guy!

                                                                                        And so far no problems with Verotel btw.
                                                                                        Nothing here...

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                                                                                        • steffie
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                          • 2422

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Kevin2
                                                                                          I use Verotel on one of my pay sites and as a 2nd processor on the other 13 and they are great to deal with. When CCbill declines a customer I popup a verotel signup amd most times they get approved and I've never had a charge back with them
                                                                                          We have used Verotel for a very long time. We do the same thing, first CCbill, popup Verotel and offer their phone access. Never had a problem in 7 years (not yet, knocking loudly on hard wood)
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