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11-25-2003, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
So according to the history of legal systems you could have killed an innocent as well.

Would you handle the truth after some time if you find out you killed an innocent? What would you tell to his/her parents after that? I'm sorry,it was a mistake?

There will never be a 0% error margin. I guess we'll just have to take the good with the bad.
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11-25-2003, 07:57 AM

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11-25-2003, 08:01 AM

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11-25-2003, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
...I'm sorry,it was a mistake?

what about the MISTAKE of letting murderers and rapists walk the street...what do you say to THOSE PARENTS?

woops?

oh, and as for the 'life sentence' people...what about SOCIETY's right to not be victimized by paying for their life-sentence...

sure, atm it's more costly to put someone to death in this country, but I'm sure we can find a way to drop the price...

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11-25-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by TheJimmy

sure, atm it's more costly to put someone to death in this country, but I'm sure we can find a way to drop the price...

That's pretty good. That might even go in my sig.
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11-25-2003, 08:06 AM

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sure, atm it's more costly to put someone to death in this country, but I'm sure we can find a way to drop the price...

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11-25-2003, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by johnny_ricebone

I guess we'll just have to take the good with the bad.

not we, just you. It's your call in this case and that makes it harder.

Personally I think most of the ones that answered yes in my question, when the time would come wouldn't be in position to do it.

By having the legal system do it it's easier to leave memories,responsibilities and concerns back.
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11-25-2003, 08:12 AM

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hell yeh!

the Chinese prisoner's are treated more humanely than in our system...

if they have good organs they get a 25 cent bullet through the head and their organs go to the black market (helping society and sick people) or off to research...

in our country we spend 100s of thousands of dollars on prisoners, let them get ass raped, do drugs, catch deadly diseases, get shanked, etc...

HELL I bet we could drum up death-penalty support in our prisons! It'd be kinder imo....

come on people, have a heart, support the death penalty...

I'd much rather go out with a bullet to the head than 12 aids infested freaks banging my ass, wouldn't you?

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11-25-2003, 08:13 AM

depends on what he did
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11-25-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by TheJimmy

what about the MISTAKE of letting murderers and rapists walk the street...what do you say to THOSE PARENTS?

That's far from related. My question was strictly about death penalty.
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11-25-2003, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

That's far from related. My question was strictly about death penalty.

FAR from related?

death penalty happens when? when someone murders someone right?

ok I threw in the rapist part, cuz I think they deserve the death penalty in most cases...

so how is a murderer and a death penalty question not related?
I'll retract the rapist word for now...

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11-25-2003, 08:19 AM

In a case like this where the evidence is very strong, I have no problem with it. Personally I think it would be ironic if they could execute them both by firing squad.

On the flip side, we need to clean our prisons out of the non-violent criminals such as the people that got caught with a little bit of weed.

Then again if it were my family that got killed I would hope they let them walk so I could whack them personally...
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11-25-2003, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by TheJimmy

FAR from related?

you said

what about the MISTAKE of letting murderers and rapists walk the street...what do you say to THOSE PARENTS?

Nobody said on first place to let murderers and rapists walk the street.

The question is:

from the moment that the legal system or you decide someone is guilty. Do you kill him or you put him in prison? If you commit error and you have decided death penalty you can't bring someone back. By putting him in jail you can partially correct your mistake.
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11-25-2003, 09:28 AM

We shouldn't kill anyone - it takes all sorts to make the world go round

Either kill nobody or kill everybody. For instance with a well engineered virus + environmental attack...
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11-25-2003, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by .?.
We shouldn't kill anyone - it takes all sorts to make the world go round

Either kill nobody or kill everybody. For instance with a well engineered virus + environmental attack...
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11-25-2003, 11:22 AM

I am against the death penalty. I didn't even read this thread because I don't want to get into any arguments about it, but since you asked, I thought I'd tell my view

I personally believe the whole cliche "two wrongs don't make a right". If it's wrong for the murderer to kill, then it is also wrong for the government to kill. I don't see how murdering people is going to teach people not to murder people. It seems very hypocritical to me.

Plus, there is WAY too much margin for error in the justice system. For example, if a criminal ADMITS he killed someone and pleads guilty, he is usually disqualified from the possibility of the death penalty. It's usually only the ones who plead innocent that go up for the death penalty. And how many have been later proven innocent and released? How many truly innocent have died?

And, for the record, I stand by my personal belief to the maximum. If I am ever murdered I have told everyone I know to ask the judge for mercy for my killer on my behalf. My family has already gone through the pain of losing me, and killing the one who did it would not only NOT bring me back, but it would cause the same pain for the murderer's family, and that's just not fair.

Argue how you will, these are just my personal beliefs.
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11-25-2003, 11:50 AM

To those of you who are against the death penalty you might want to listen carefully as the victim's families reflect their desires for capitol justice. For whatever reason, as part of the healing process the next of kin almost always have a strong emotional need to get closure through the ultimate justice. We who are not directly affected should not pass judgement on them. Only to enable them to see it all through.

If the death penalty brings that for them than so be it. It certainly does not cause me to lose any sleep at night.

My college roommate and I would endlessly debate capitol punishment. He was so vehemently against it. Then one day his new car gets keyed (no I didn't do it) and all a sudden he is the grim reaper. For weeks he fantasizes about different ways of torturing and eventually killing those responsible.

There are certainly many people in this world that deserve nothing less. I know not why we stand up for them.

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11-25-2003, 11:51 AM

If you take innocent peoples lives you deserve to die
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11-25-2003, 12:32 PM

The death penalty is not a deterrent, and possibly creates a mindset that killing is acceptable. A 2002 FBI crime report shows the murder rate in the South increased by 2.1% while the murder rate in the Northeast decreased by almost 5%. The South accounts for 82% of all executions since 1976; the Northeast accounts for less than 1%.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/02prelimannual.pdf

We all know there has been innocent people executed. Since 1973, 111 people in 25 states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. How many innocent people did not have adequate representation and were executed?

People with IQ's as low as 65 (that of a 7 year old) have been executed in Texas. Mental health experts have pointed out that the mentally retarded's characteristic suggestibility and willingness to please leads them to confess - sometimes falsely - to capital crimes. For example, In 1983, police convinced Earl Washington (IQ 69) to make a statement concerning the rape and murder of a woman in Culpeper, VA, in 1982. The statements were used against him and in 1984 he was convicted and sentenced to death. Sixteen years later, DNA tests confirmed that Washington was innocent and he received an absolute pardon.

And if you're going to use the 'eye for an eye' argument then we better start raping rapists, beat people that commit assaults, burn peoples houses down that commit arson, etc.
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11-25-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by myjah
definitely believe in it. i don't want to have to pay to feed, clothe, shelter, and provide medical attention to a murderer.

I read somewhere that it actually costs more in state legal fees, and other related fees to execute an inmate than to feed, house, and cloth him for the rest of their days.

On the other hand, if they turned all inmates into productive non-paid labor, then there would be no reason to execute anyone. Just work them to pay back their debt to society. If they deserve the death penalty, then work them to death.

As it is now, most inmates in jail simply learn to be better criminals, learn techniques to do the same crimes in ways that make it harder to catch them.

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11-25-2003, 01:36 PM

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I read somewhere that it actually costs more in state legal fees, and other related fees to execute an inmate than to feed, house, and cloth him for the rest of their days.

On the other hand, if they turned all inmates into productive non-paid labor, then there would be no reason to execute anyone. Just work them to pay back their debt to society. If they deserve the death penalty, then work them to death.

As it is now, most inmates in jail simply learn to be better criminals, learn techniques to do the same crimes in ways that make it harder to catch them.

This makes the most sense to me.

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11-25-2003, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by ThunderBalls
And if you're going to use the 'eye for an eye' argument then we better start raping rapists, beat people that commit assaults, burn peoples houses down that commit arson, etc.

What, you think this is a bad thing? If an arsonist kills someone in a fire, the fucker should be burnt to death. If someone beats someone to death, they should be beaten to death. Rapists.. well.. all of the above.

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11-25-2003, 07:12 PM

I prefer the ways of the old west

Convict on friday, hang on saturday in public

In the Bahamas, if you kill someone, you WILL hang for it, not in public, but in the prison courtyard. And anybody that wants to watch thru the gates, is welcome to.
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11-25-2003, 07:27 PM

A guy here in Phoenix was recently let off of death row due to recent advances in DNA bla blah blah. They found someone else's DNA in the bathroom where a woman was raped and then killed. Sorry, it's a public fucking bathroom - of course there was other people's DNA.

However, I'm not for the death penalty. Let them rot in jail for the rest of their lifes while getting their salad tossed daily. Now that's a real punishment.

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11-25-2003, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by johnny_ricebone
I know this is like beating a dead horse but given the circumstances (Muhammad/Malvo). The morning show that I listen to this morning brought the point that it would be worse for Muhammad to rot in jail the rest of his life instead of sending him to his maker. So what do you think?

Oh, I kind of think death and nothingness is worse.

Besides.....as Mayor Rizzo, former Mayor of Philadelphia said..and, I paraphrase:

"The death penalty may not decrease the crime rate; but, it ensures this particular criminal will never do it again".

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11-25-2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by MrPheer
I prefer the ways of the old west

Convict on friday, hang on saturday in public

In the Bahamas, if you kill someone, you WILL hang for it, not in public, but in the prison courtyard. And anybody that wants to watch thru the gates, is welcome to.

It would be interesting to see if their crime rate is higher there.
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11-25-2003, 08:25 PM

If I was innocent and found guilty of some outrageous crime, I would rather be put to death than spend 50 years in prison before they realize they err'd.

Death penalty is great... I would prefer it done on the spot. Okay, you've been found guilty of the rape and murder of multiple women. You are led out of the building, bam. Done. No "waiting lists"... is it more punishment than sending them to prison? No. Some people just don't deserve to live at all, let alone in misery.

One way I could forego the death penalty is when it comes to drug trials, use these death row inmates and lifers. They're either going to die or rot there anyways, make them serve a purpose while they're in there. If something goes wrong... meh... shit happens.

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11-25-2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Rocky
so many people over the years on death row were found innocent

i am totally against the death penalty

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11-25-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by evilregis
If I was innocent and found guilty of some outrageous crime, I would rather be put to death than spend 50 years in prison before they realize they err'd.

Death penalty is great... I would prefer it done on the spot. Okay, you've been found guilty of the rape and murder of multiple women. You are led out of the building, bam. Done. No "waiting lists"... is it more punishment than sending them to prison? No. Some people just don't deserve to live at all, let alone in misery.

One way I could forego the death penalty is when it comes to drug trials, use these death row inmates and lifers. They're either going to die or rot there anyways, make them serve a purpose while they're in there. If something goes wrong... meh... shit happens.

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11-25-2003, 08:53 PM

I believe in it, if they have all the DNA and they can 100% say, yes this is the guy that did it and have hardcore evidence, but they hardly ever do and we find out they are innocient after 10 years.

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11-25-2003, 08:55 PM

Yes, I believe that the death penalty exists. What sort of question is that?

I take issue with anyone who does NOT believe that the death penalty exists.

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11-25-2003, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by bill555
We need bring back the electric chair, hanging and firing squad.

The only pushishment with injection, is the time you have to wait till its done.

I mean do these murderers really care there getting to get pricked by a needle and and go to sleep? Its like putting a kitty to sleep.

Its easy to be against the death penalty. All i can say is . What would you think if your mother got raped and killed? you would want to kill the man yourself,but would settle for the government to do it.

Revenge is easy. Being against the dealth penalty and going against the flow is not. The justice system is run by humans which are not perfect. When you're talking about taking someones life you must be perfect 100% of the time.

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11-25-2003, 09:05 PM

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To those of you who are against the death penalty you might want to listen carefully as the victim's families reflect their desires for capitol justice. For whatever reason, as part of the healing process the next of kin almost always have a strong emotional need to get closure through the ultimate justice. We who are not directly affected should not pass judgement on them. Only to enable them to see it all through.

If the death penalty brings that for them than so be it. It certainly does not cause me to lose any sleep at night.

But that's just it. Time and Time you'll hear that the death of the inmate does not give them anymore closure then they had before. It's a false sense of upcoming security that never happens. Life in prisonment statistically helps victims families move on....no more hearings, no more trials, no more appeals.

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11-25-2003, 09:56 PM

I am from England, I don't agree with the death penalty.

The arguments against:

1 If the Government kills people they are just as bad as the Criminals.

2 There's no going back if there's eveidence of a setup later / DNA error etc

3 It's expensive

4 In most countries that have the death penalty the murder rates etc are higher.

For?

The feeling justice is done / revenge for the victims / family?
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11-25-2003, 10:07 PM

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I'm all for the death penalty, I just wish more people would think about that when they are murdering other human beings. Besides, I'm from Texas, of course I support it!!!

im for it my self belive it or not. I dont see any reason why a jury will sentance someone to 119 years to life. It cost something like 87 dollars a day to keep a inmate in state prison here in calf. Guess who pays for it. Tax payers of course.
Its just a wast of tax payers money if you ask me.

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11-26-2003, 08:04 AM

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im for it my self belive it or not. I dont see any reason why a jury will sentance someone to 119 years to life. It cost something like 87 dollars a day to keep a inmate in state prison here in calf. Guess who pays for it. Tax payers of course.
Its just a wast of tax payers money if you ask me.

death row inmates costs the taxpayers more because of the mandatory appeals. Life in prison is actually cheaper.

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11-26-2003, 09:11 AM

And even lifers would be cheaper for law abiding tax payers if the government actually made productive workers out of the inmates so they could pull their own weight and not be a further drain on society.

Although crude and backwards, the work camps in southern states years ago were on the right path.

I still say instead of killing them, work them to death..

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11-26-2003, 09:54 AM

I still say instead of killing them, work them to death..
they do that why theirs fire camps. they put their life on the line for 1.00 a hour to save homes throu out calif.

I was one of them back in 97 in the Tehama County Ponderosa fire. Second biggest to the one we just had.

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And even lifers would be cheaper for law abiding tax payers if the government actually made productive workers out of the inmates so they could pull their own weight and not be a further drain on society.

Although crude and backwards, the work camps in southern states years ago were on the right path.

I still say instead of killing them, work them to death..

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11-26-2003, 10:11 AM

The main problem with the United States? prison system rests in its disjointed duality. The system doesn?t know what its primary goals are, because we as a nation are split on the proper punishment for criminals. Ask yourself, ?What is the purpose of prison?? The answer is either, ?deterrence for future crimes and criminals, or retribution.? (With public safely being a factor on both sides).

Those of us in the deterrence camp believe that jails are commonly labeled ?Correctional facilities? because their main goal should be the rehabilitation of criminals. Teach them the value of honest work and morality, understanding that the message will not reach all of them, or hell probably not even most of them. It, will however, reach some of them? and those people will be able to learn and grow from their previous mistakes and go on to contribute to society again.

To us, the idea of capital punishment in a ?correctional facility? is a joke. It?s hard to rehabilitate a dead man.

To those of you in the ?retribution? camp, I can understand your point of view, and I respect it. However, it saddens me how much of the ?moral majority? is in this camp. They preach the virtues of Jesus on Sundays, then scream ?eye for an eye? for the execution of murders? which is EXACTLY the type of punishment that Jesus fought AGAINT!

Oh well, leave it to the conservatives to say one thing and do another, the world would be a scary place without their hypocrisy
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11-26-2003, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by traffictrader
The main problem with the United States? prison system rests in its disjointed duality. The system doesn?t know what its primary goals are, because we as a nation are split on the proper punishment for criminals. Ask yourself, ?What is the purpose of prison?? The answer is either, ?deterrence for future crimes and criminals, or retribution.? (With public safely being a factor on both sides).

Those of us in the deterrence camp believe that jails are commonly labeled ?Correctional facilities? because their main goal should be the rehabilitation of criminals. Teach them the value of honest work and morality, understanding that the message will not reach all of them, or hell probably not even most of them. It, will however, reach some of them? and those people will be able to learn and grow from their previous mistakes and go on to contribute to society again.

To us, the idea of capital punishment in a ?correctional facility? is a joke. It?s hard to rehabilitate a dead man.

To those of you in the ?retribution? camp, I can understand your point of view, and I respect it. However, it saddens me how much of the ?moral majority? is in this camp. They preach the virtues of Jesus on Sundays, then scream ?eye for an eye? for the execution of murders? which is EXACTLY the type of punishment that Jesus fought AGAINT!

Oh well, leave it to the conservatives to say one thing and do another, the world would be a scary place without their hypocrisy

Point well taken, Except im not the jesus beliver type, dont care to listen when they preach the crap to me. I just tell them to shut the fuck up or walk away.

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11-26-2003, 10:26 AM

I believe it doesn't work.

However I'm not against revenge, and believe putting some sick fuck down eases the families minds. I know it would make me feel better. I'm all for it.

However it doesn't work at all.
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