Easy pic recently unveiled their pay to submit plan, do you see this as the wave of the future for TGPs? With Sponsor Hosted Galleries and Pay to Submit, what are your thoughts on further changes in the TGP game?
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Registered: Nov 2003Originally posted by $5 submissions
Easy pic recently unveiled their pay to submit plan, do you see this as the wave of the future for TGPs? With Sponsor Hosted Galleries and Pay to Submit, what are your thoughts on further changes in the TGP game?
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I just read and type fast. So.... back to the topic, what do you think of these new trends in the TGP game? Increased quality galleries? Less cheaters?
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For big TGPs, yes.Originally posted by $5 submissions
Easy pic recently unveiled their pay to submit plan, do you see this as the wave of the future for TGPs?Comment
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Thats one good way to get rid of the cheaters.Partner accounts and sponsor hosted galleries are another.My script bans over 100+ cheaters per day.It is worth consideration but alot of little TGPS cant charge very much or wouldn't be much intrest from the submitter.Comment
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Maybe... only time will tell how well it will work.
AmenComment
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At what traffic level does a TGP become "big"? Worldsex and the Hun are obvious, but for the other players what is considered big? Would it make sense for super targeted quality traffic niche TGPs to start charging as well?Originally posted by nophest
For big TGPs, yes.Comment
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Been going that way for along time. It'll still be a few yearsOriginally posted by $5 submissions
Easy pic recently unveiled their pay to submit plan, do you see this as the wave of the future for TGPs? With Sponsor Hosted Galleries and Pay to Submit, what are your thoughts on further changes in the TGP game?
to see how it shakes out. $50 a month for your traffic, or having
to submit to 5000 tiny TGPs for free.
Don't foget TGP traffic is not the be all and end all of traffic.
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Yeah sure it is! We have been seeing this coming for the last year but no one believes it.
You can blame a lot of it on the cheaters. They have screwed it up for the rest of us.
On top of that, it's more profit for the Tgp and less hassle.
It only makes sense that other tgp's will follow.
OzComment
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don't feel bad. i sent $10,000 to that nigerian dude and still no word.....Originally posted by Jimbo
talking of easypic, I sent 100$ and never heard from them in 30 hours or so
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400k+Originally posted by $5 submissions
At what traffic level does a TGP become "big"? Worldsex and the Hun are obvious, but for the other players what is considered big? Would it make sense for super targeted quality traffic niche TGPs to start charging as well?
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Not a good signOriginally posted by Jimbo
talking of easypic, I sent 100$ and never heard from them in 30 hours or so
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well now thats stupid! but I hope you're kidding ;)Originally posted by pamphage
don't feel bad. i sent $10,000 to that nigerian dude and still no word.....Comment
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Do you think this will INCREASE the quality of the traffic? Or will the traffic quality remain the same?
Originally posted by OzKaNoz
Yeah sure it is! We have been seeing this coming for the last year but no one believes it.
You can blame a lot of it on the cheaters. They have screwed it up for the rest of us.
On top of that, it's more profit for the Tgp and less hassle.
It only makes sense that other tgp's will follow.
OzComment
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it's ok I'm sure they'll hook me up soon or later.Originally posted by $5 submissions
Not a good sign
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We don't mind paying TGPs to list our galleries.
We bought gallery spots for more than two years, we make money off it, and everybody is happy
And there is not only "big" TGPs that will go paid spots only - you already can get gallery spots on a lot of a smaller TGps as well.Comment
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SAME!Originally posted by $5 submissions
Do you think this will INCREASE the quality of the traffic? Or will the traffic quality remain the same?
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I have no problems paying for listings at larger TGPs, I just wanted to know if this is a trend that the smaller TGPs will follow as well.Comment
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if they do, I hope it's gonna be really cheap prices!Originally posted by $5 submissions
I have no problems paying for listings at larger TGPs, I just wanted to know if this is a trend that the smaller TGPs will follow as well.
noobs have tendencies on high prices sometimesComment
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I think it's a good idea, the easypic deal is really good.<a href='http://stats.ars4real.com/wmref/click.php?type=but&a=1017433'> <img border=1 src='http://stats.ars4real.com/wmref/load.php?type=but&a=1017433'>Comment
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like i said before, i don't mind paying for getting listed as long as i make back more than double what i pay out but i find it somewhat perplexing that at a time when tgp traffic is probably the worst its been that paying for spots is becoming more the thing to do.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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What do you all think is a reasonable price to pay to submit to a high traffic tgp and also a lower traffic one?Comment
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The alternative is worse.... tgps listing only sponsor hosted galleries.Originally posted by BlackCrayon
like i said before, i don't mind paying for getting listed as long as i make back more than double what i pay out but i find it somewhat perplexing that at a time when tgp traffic is probably the worst its been that paying for spots is becoming more the thing to do.Comment
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Sounds good!
Pay for a gallery placement in a TGP what a brilliant idea.
Wait a minute.
Pay $ " X " money for traffic to a gallery that costs " X " bandwidth from " X " number of "no checking/non card holding" visitors and of course you may not use a dialer on them galleries for redirection to a dialer!
In summary I have never gottin into the whole TGP thing. Simply to many variables for a loss.
Spend time making gallery.
Spend time making submission.
Wait.
Example.
Get 5000 visitors to gallery.
Get a $175.00 Dollar check.
(Being generous on the purchase ratio with 1 in 1000 from TGP traffic)
How much money did ya make after bandwidth?
10 Pics 45K each= 450k
450k x 5000 = 2250000K...
Thats real big time bling...
In summary with TGP's your being asked to open your ass hole as wide as possible with no benefits.
If its a game ya like give it shot!
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Do you really think there is no money to be made in TGPs?Originally posted by AlienQ
Sounds good!
Pay for a gallery placement in a TGP what a brilliant idea.
Wait a minute.
Pay $ " X " money for traffic to a gallery that costs " X " bandwidth from " X " number of "no checking/non card holding" visitors and of course you may not use a dialer on them galleries for redirection to a dialer!
In summary I have never gottin into the whole TGP thing. Simply to many variables for a loss.
Spend time making gallery.
Spend time making submission.
Wait.
Example.
Get 5000 visitors to gallery.
Get a $175.00 Dollar check.
(Being generous on the purchase ratio with 1 in 1000 from TGP traffic)
How much money did ya make after bandwidth?
10 Pics 45K each= 450k
450k x 5000 = 2250000K...
Thats real big time bling...
In summary with TGP's your being asked to open your ass hole as wide as possible with no benefits.
If its a game ya like give it shot!
And 2 gigs is nothing when you're paying less than $0.2 per gig...
To come back to the initial question, yes, most of the smaller tgps will go that way, it already happens.
There is some really interesting deal to be made. But there is also some who wants $15 per gallery spots to send you 500 hits...Comment
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you're an idiot, how many images the average surfer clicks?Originally posted by AlienQ
Sounds good!
Pay for a gallery placement in a TGP what a brilliant idea.
Wait a minute.
Pay $ " X " money for traffic to a gallery that costs " X " bandwidth from " X " number of "no checking/non card holding" visitors and of course you may not use a dialer on them galleries for redirection to a dialer!
In summary I have never gottin into the whole TGP thing. Simply to many variables for a loss.
Spend time making gallery.
Spend time making submission.
Wait.
Example.
Get 5000 visitors to gallery.
Get a $175.00 Dollar check.
(Being generous on the purchase ratio with 1 in 1000 from TGP traffic)
How much money did ya make after bandwidth?
10 Pics 45K each= 450k
450k x 5000 = 2250000K...
Thats real big time bling...
In summary with TGP's your being asked to open your ass hole as wide as possible with no benefits.
If its a game ya like give it shot!
10? YEAH RIGHT!Comment
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Sure looks that way...
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forgot to say I average 1gig bandwith per 10k visitors.
wow not 60 cents
my images are often bigger then 45k and theres a thumb preview site hotlinking me
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your calculations are little off to begin with.Originally posted by AlienQ
Sounds good!
Pay for a gallery placement in a TGP what a brilliant idea.
Wait a minute.
Pay $ " X " money for traffic to a gallery that costs " X " bandwidth from " X " number of "no checking/non card holding" visitors and of course you may not use a dialer on them galleries for redirection to a dialer!
In summary I have never gottin into the whole TGP thing. Simply to many variables for a loss.
Spend time making gallery.
Spend time making submission.
Wait.
Example.
Get 5000 visitors to gallery.
Get a $175.00 Dollar check.
(Being generous on the purchase ratio with 1 in 1000 from TGP traffic)
How much money did ya make after bandwidth?
10 Pics 45K each= 450k
450k x 5000 = 2250000K...
Thats real big time bling...
In summary with TGP's your being asked to open your ass hole as wide as possible with no benefits.
If its a game ya like give it shot!
i have to agree to a certain extent in what you said, but im pretty sure you have never been able to convert enough to make it worth your while....
there are many people making their living completely off tgp and they are making serious cash
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Hey I am certain some people make money with TGP's otherwise it wouldnt be so enormously popular.Originally posted by Jimbo
forgot to say I average 1gig bandwith per 10k visitors.
wow not 60 cents
my images are often bigger then 45k and theres a thumb preview site hotlinking me
Look.
If you do not got a credit card or checking account get the fuck off my site... Thats just my point of view on the matter.
If you are 10k visitors you do not mean shit to me cuz I know only a small fraction of you may have cards or a checking account.
In summary the consumption of content through the philosophy of being a TGP'er puts a difficult prospect ahead for those those wanting to promote.
Maybe I am just old fasioned in the value of content but take a look at what a stress it is for those that must purchase content, prep the content, host the content, promote the content etc and expect a decent profit...
Not to mention all the angles for which ya can get screwed via hotlinkers, page jacker's etc...
I am not saying do not do it. I am asking is it worth the effort at the end of the day for a submitter?
Simple question.
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ALOT of visitors have credit card or checking account! Thats not the problem, the problem is making them use it ONLINE while he's getting lots of freeporn just by clicking back button. You have to give the surfer HOT content and HOT signup deal for him to pay for porn online.Originally posted by AlienQ
Hey I am certain some people make money with TGP's otherwise it wouldnt be so enormously popular.
Look.
If you do not got a credit card or checking account get the fuck off my site... Thats just my point of view on the matter.
If you are 10k visitors you do not mean shit to me cuz I know only a small fraction of you may have cards or a checking account.
In summary the consumption of content through the philosophy of being a TGP'er puts a difficult prospect ahead for those those wanting to promote.
Maybe I am just old fasioned in the value of content but take a look at what a stress it is for those that must purchase content, prep the content, host the content, promote the content etc and expect a decent profit...
Not to mention all the angles for which ya can get screwed via hotlinkers, page jacker's etc...
I am not saying do not do it. I am asking is it worth the effort at the end of the day for a submitter?
Simple question.Comment
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"ALOT of visitors have credit card or checking account! Thats not the problem, the problem is making them use it ONLINE while he's getting lots of freeporn just by clicking back button. You have to give the surfer HOT content and HOT signup deal for him to pay for porn online."
If thats the case then whats wrong with setting up some geo targeting on submitted galleries?
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some TGPs will probably follow...mostly big ones I guess - its easy money for them...but if their traffic doesnt worth shit or they are small TGPs then they have to continue accepting free submissions...ot switch to hosted gals...Comment
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I hope pay to submit is the wave of the future.Comment
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it should be done on the TGP itself or the SPONSOR, putting GEO targetting on your galleries will be considered cheating, unless you send the crap traffic to another gallery following the rules.Originally posted by AlienQ
"ALOT of visitors have credit card or checking account! Thats not the problem, the problem is making them use it ONLINE while he's getting lots of freeporn just by clicking back button. You have to give the surfer HOT content and HOT signup deal for him to pay for porn online."
If thats the case then whats wrong with setting up some geo targeting on submitted galleries?Comment
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If someone is asking $5.00 to pay for a submission then one should consider the traffic sold and that of the submitters.
You want 5 bucks, I want something for it in exchange.
I am already giving you free content which boosts your business as a TGP, while I am hosting the content, buying the content and contending with my sponsor's performance and your telling the average me to pay ya another 5 bucks?
Guess alot of people have learned from patent holding companies these days...
Take a little off the top but do not kill the beast philosophy.
"it should be done on the TGP itself, putting GEO targetting on your galleries will be considered cheating, unless you send the crap traffic to another gallery following the rules."
OMG, well...
I got alot to learn sabout TGP's...Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 11-23-2003, 02:06 PM.
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So your prediction is that this switch to a pay to submit model is NOT an opportunity to gain more traffic for smaller tgps? Is it also a possibility that if BIG TGPs take only paid submissions then the surfer experience might suffer due to redundancy/stagnant quality?Originally posted by avion
some TGPs will probably follow...mostly big ones I guess - its easy money for them...but if their traffic doesnt worth shit or they are small TGPs then they have to continue accepting free submissions...ot switch to hosted gals...Comment
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yes, when JJJ stopped taking submissions almost a year ago this week I knew that ws the way things were going to go for the bigger guys.
The thing is though is that in my mind once submitters are paying the dynamic between the TGP and the submitter has to change. If you are being paid money by someone they are now your customer and as such come with a whole new set of demands. I wonder how many tgp owners are skilled at customer service.Comment
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But there's two ways to play this game: pay to submit -- guaranteed to get listed and no guarantees. I'm thinking the bigger guys can get away with the latter. The smaller TGPs would have to play the former. Any guesses?
Originally posted by sarah_webinc
yes, when JJJ stopped taking submissions almost a year ago this week I knew that ws the way things were going to go for the bigger guys.
The thing is though is that in my mind once submitters are paying the dynamic between the TGP and the submitter has to change. If you are being paid money by someone they are now your customer and as such come with a whole new set of demands. I wonder how many tgp owners are skilled at customer service.Comment
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I remember a thread where thehun was thinking of going that way - paying to submit, but with no guarantee. Not sure if it was him who launch the idea, but it was discussed.Originally posted by $5 submissions
But there's two ways to play this game: pay to submit -- guaranteed to get listed and no guarantees. I'm thinking the bigger guys can get away with the latter. The smaller TGPs would have to play the former. Any guesses?
And most of the guy agreed that it could be a good idea...
In my opinion, I don't feel like paying a fee to "maybe, one day", get a gallery listed. The only exception will be if I trust in the TGP owner.Comment
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I agree with your sentiments. Unfortunately, on the Internet,
he who has the traffic sets the rules. TGP gallery submitters need the TGP owners more than the other way around. I agree with your sentiments though--this is similar to the defunct Yahoo charge of paying XXX $ in the HOPES that Yahoo will list a site.
Originally posted by AWS Venus
I remember a thread where thehun was thinking of going that way - paying to submit, but with no guarantee. Not sure if it was him who launch the idea, but it was discussed.
And most of the guy agreed that it could be a good idea...
In my opinion, I don't feel like paying a fee to "maybe, one day", get a gallery listed. The only exception will be if I trust in the TGP owner.Comment
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Depends on the site. You can have a 400k/day site that sends 2000 hits to a gallery link, and you can have a 30k/day site that drops 20k on a gallery link.Originally posted by $5 submissions
At what traffic level does a TGP become "big"? Worldsex and the Hun are obvious, but for the other players what is considered big? Would it make sense for super targeted quality traffic niche TGPs to start charging as well?Comment
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i'd never pay money to submit with no guarentee of getting listed. i rather spend my money on lottery tickets if thats how it was gonna be. i also think ppl use content that is too good for tgps just trying to get listed, why anyone uses paid content for a tgp is beyond me. i guess if your making good money its one thing but giving them paysite quality content for free is not good business in my opinion.Originally posted by $5 submissions
But there's two ways to play this game: pay to submit -- guaranteed to get listed and no guarantees. I'm thinking the bigger guys can get away with the latter. The smaller TGPs would have to play the former. Any guesses?
you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Paided submissions are the last step before "no submissions", IMHO. The next step will be improved sponsor galleries, with literally tens of thousands of galleries being available from major sponsors. They will then essentially deal directly the the TGPs to garner the traffic and sales.
The only slowdown in this is that most sponsors, even with large numbers of galleries, are not able to produce enough variation in the galleries to keep it from looking like a ripoff.
Enjoy making free galleries... that business model is almost done.
AlexComment
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I agree with your sentiments. Unfortunately, on the Internet,
he who has the traffic sets the rules. TGP gallery submitters need the TGP owners more than the other way around. I agree with your sentiments though--this is similar to the defunct Yahoo charge of paying XXX $ in the HOPES that Yahoo will list a site.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AWS Venus
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I remember a thread where thehun was thinkingComment
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boy I hope world sex doesnt do that cause there traffic is wellll....Comment
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Ive heard this was endorsed by the Leader, so get with the program, you guys.Comment
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Well it certainly thins out the competition in the TGP market, doesn't it? Only the people that are seriously going to try TGP are going to submit if they have to pay to do it, or apply for partner accounts even. It will be nice not having cheap fuckers/cheaters/content thieves posting as much, because honestly, if they're paying for posting on TGP's, they are probably paying for hosting/content etc too. I'm sick of seeing our content stolen again and again by the same few assholes and used on the same fucking freehosts and posted to the same tgps.Comment
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hehehehe I think I know what you are referring toOriginally posted by Veterans Day
boy I hope world sex doesnt do that cause there traffic is wellll....
Either way, this may be the big PAY DAY the big guys are waiting for. SHGs = MONEY Paid listings through traffic brokers = MORE MONEY Payments for non guaranteed listings = EVEN MORE MONEYComment
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