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  • MikeHawk
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    • Jan 2004
    • 6683
    #51
    Originally posted by charly
    So these memos stating where the WMDs are located, were they false or lies and why was no evidence produced to back them up.

    And why were they not shown to the Weapons Inspectors?

    As I said, they were pieces of paper and little else, with NO EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER TO BACK THEM UP.

    Even George Tenet thinks Bush drew the wrong conclusions for the memos.



    As I said, the memos were enough to go find the proof, not start a war. History will judge Bush.
    Dork...so easy to be a back seat second guessing driver..so sick of this ..it goes back all the way back to the Clinton Admin, they knew they were there, all other countiries had there own info, the spin that pukes like moore put on this shit make me want to throw the fuck up..just to suite there political agendas..and you eat it up..would like some salt on that bullshit...or you going to eat it raw?
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      • Mr.Fiction
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        • Feb 2002
        • 9484
        #52
        Originally posted by MikeHawk
        ...the point is as a americans we must support our troops and the effort at hand. Living in the past and second guessing is for fools and people like moore.
        Have you seen Moore's movie?

        Michael Moore strongly supports the troops - that is one of the main reasons he made the movie. What is your definition of supporting the troops - sending them to die so that Bush's family can make more money? Leaving them in Iraq forever so Bush's friends can keep making money at taxpayer expense?

        Michael Moore spent the last few years of his life making a movie to help support our troops.

        What Moore is doing, trying to get rid of Bush, will do more to support the troops than anything a loud mouth talk radio host like Rush Limbaugh will ever do.

        Keep believing what you are told by Fox and stay happy.
        Last edited by Mr.Fiction; 06-25-2004, 11:02 PM.
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          • Tempest
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • May 2004
            • 10217
            #53
            Originally posted by frankthetank
            I was just very dissapointed with this movie, because I thought I was going to be presented with more facts then I already knew which did not happen.
            I think the real facts won't be known for years to come. Too many people are pissed off on both sides that they can't get past their opinions and feelings on the matter and deal with cold hard facts. It makes it tough to filter all the crap from the facts.

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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942
                #54
                Originally posted by Tempest
                Support the troops. No one EVER says not to. But don't let your support of the troops blind you to someone that may be getting them killed for all the wrong reasons. THAT should get you more pissed off than anything if it's true. Blindly following a leader who is bad for a country is exactly what happened in Germany.
                Support the troops, Bin Laden, 9/11, are all attempts to side track the debate.

                So far no one has come up with one single counter argument to the film. The best they can do is point a finger and say Moore is biased.

                This debate is very one sided so far.



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                  • MikeHawk
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                    • Jan 2004
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                    #55
                    Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                    Have you seen Moore's movie?

                    Michael Moore strongly supports the troops - that is one of the main reasons he made the movie. What is your definition of supporting the troops - sending them to die so that Bush's family can make more money? Leaving them in Iraq forever so Bush's friends can keep making money at taxpayer expense?

                    Michael Moore spent the last few years of his life making a movie to help support our troops.

                    What Moore is doing, trying to get rid of Bush, will do more to support the troops than anything a loud mouth talk radio host like Rush Limbaugh will ever do.

                    Keep believing what you are told by Fox and stay happy.

                    Moore is an ASS
                    Its not what Fox is telling me, dont even watch Fox, its the bullshit you are eating up from entertainers like Moore. He is in the biz of making money and being an entertainer...that is all.
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                      • M_M
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                        • May 2004
                        • 1167
                        #56
                        Originally posted by MikeHawk
                        Thats not the point...the point is as americans we must support our troops and the effort at hand. Living in the past and second guessing is for fools and people like moore.

                        I support our troops our efforts we are over there fighting and our guys are dieing, while you go to Starbucks and drink your coffee drinks not even knowing wtf is going on...

                        Wake up, the very freedom we have comes from the actions taken by a govtand our troops of the free world, support, dont tear appart...we must stand united or else we play into the hands of the very people trying to rip us apart...
                        if you wanna support troops, vote Bush out of the office
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                          • Mr.Fiction
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                            • Feb 2002
                            • 9484
                            #57
                            Originally posted by MikeHawk
                            Moore is an ASS
                            Its not what Fox is telling me, dont even watch Fox, its the bullshit you are eating up from entertainers like Moore. He is in the biz of making money and being an entertainer...that is all.
                            Our troops get paid too - does that make everything they do worthless?

                            Try again.
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                              • Tempest
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                                • May 2004
                                • 10217
                                #58
                                Originally posted by dsatchell
                                1. Iraq was a known training ground for many of the terrorist organizations acting thoughout the entire world.
                                umm.. So is Saudi Arabia.. Why didn't you invade?
                                Originally posted by dsatchell
                                2. Saddam committed human rights atrocities on the order of Hitler. Hundeds of thousands of people gassed, tortured, flayed, and murdered.
                                The Saudi government beheads people. Why didn't you invade?
                                Originally posted by dsatchell
                                3. Sadam and the radical religion he supported condoned the kind of treatment of women that hardly any other place on earth would subject animals to.
                                Again. Why didn't you invade Saudi Arabia???
                                Or how about Iran???? They're a lot worse than Iraq.. Figure it out.

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                                  • MikeHawk
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                                    • Jan 2004
                                    • 6683
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by M_M
                                    if you wanna support troops, vote Bush out of the office

                                    Yeah ....that will fix it right up... POOF make it all better...dream on...are you kidding? Wake up..no matter who takes office what the fuck are they going to do? Come on now.
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                                      • MikeHawk
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                                        • Jan 2004
                                        • 6683
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                        Our troops get paid too - does that make everything they do worthless?

                                        Try again.
                                        Wow..you really got me.. you are so smart.....damn...
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                                          • Tempest
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                                            • May 2004
                                            • 10217
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by MikeHawk
                                            Dork...so easy to be a back seat second guessing driver..so sick of this ..it goes back all the way back to the Clinton Admin, they knew they were there, all other countiries had there own info, the spin that pukes like moore put on this shit make me want to throw the fuck up..just to suite there political agendas..and you eat it up..would like some salt on that bullshit...or you going to eat it raw?
                                            I love it when guys like you can't actually argue the point and so start all the name calling and swearing. Just try and debate the issue.

                                            I love Bush getting owned by the Irish reporter.. The US press are such pussies because they're afraid of getting called unpatriotic.

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                                              • MikeHawk
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                                                • Jan 2004
                                                • 6683
                                                #62
                                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                                I love it when guys like you can't actually argue the point and so start all the name calling and swearing. Just try and debate the issue.

                                                I love Bush getting owned by the Irish reporter.. The US press are such pussies because they're afraid of getting called unpatriotic.

                                                Gosh....you are soooo amazing.....wow!
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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by MikeHawk
                                                    Dork...so easy to be a back seat second guessing driver..so sick of this ..it goes back all the way back to the Clinton Admin, they knew they were there, all other countiries had there own info, the spin that pukes like moore put on this shit make me want to throw the fuck up..just to suite there political agendas..and you eat it up..would like some salt on that bullshit...or you going to eat it raw?
                                                    Still not one fact disputing just personal attacks on the message man.

                                                    So you come up with some facts like I did, it took all of 5 minutes, and show me I'm wrong.

                                                    There were no WMDs at the time of invasion, there was no coalition between Saddam and Bin Laden and the invasion was on false evidence.

                                                    Now go and prove me wrong.

                                                    Moore is an ASS
                                                    Its not what Fox is telling me, dont even watch Fox, its the bullshit you are eating up from entertainers like Moore. He is in the biz of making money and being an entertainer...that is all.
                                                    I think Moore has pointed out the financial links between Bush and the Bin Ladens.

                                                    Wonder who made the more money out of invading Iraq, moore or Bush?

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                                                      • latinasojourn
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                                                        • Oct 2003
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                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                        Have you seen Moore's movie?

                                                        Michael Moore strongly supports the troops - that is one of the main reasons he made the movie. What is your definition of supporting the troops - sending them to die so that Bush's family can make more money? Leaving them in Iraq forever so Bush's friends can keep making money at taxpayer expense?

                                                        Michael Moore spent the last few years of his life making a movie to help support our troops.

                                                        What Moore is doing, trying to get rid of Bush, will do more to support the troops than anything a loud mouth talk radio host like Rush Limbaugh will ever do.

                                                        Keep believing what you are told by Fox and stay happy.
                                                        have to agree.

                                                        i support our troops, and i love america for what it stands for.

                                                        we're supposed to be the guys in white hats. we are supposed to take the high road.

                                                        i have no problem seeing a guy who hijacks an airplane getting his brains blown out by one of our guys.

                                                        i have a real problem seeing an innocent child hurt or killed in this.

                                                        a real problem with that.

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                                                          • MikeHawk
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                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 6683
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by charly
                                                            Still not one fact disputing just personal attacks on the message man.

                                                            So you come up with some facts like I did, it took all of 5 minutes, and show me I'm wrong.

                                                            There were no WMDs at the time of invasion, there was no coalition between Saddam and Bin Laden and the invasion was on false evidence.

                                                            Now go and prove me wrong.

                                                            I think Moore has pointed out the financial links between Bush and the Bin Ladens.

                                                            Wonder who made the more money out of invading Iraq, moore or Bush?

                                                            Advice, be careful of the doors you open. They might swing right back in your face.

                                                            So dizzy from the spin......
                                                            Its just amazing!
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                                                              • Tempest
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • May 2004
                                                                • 10217
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MikeHawk
                                                                Gosh....you are soooo amazing.....wow!
                                                                I know.. bow down and worship me as you should...

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                                                                  • the indigo
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                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                    • 2016
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by benc
                                                                    And you say Bush is like Hilter. It seems Moore is much closer to Hitler with his mastery of propaganda.
                                                                    ROFL

                                                                    Your *gouverment* does propaganda 365 days per year, open your eyes, god damn fuck.

                                                                    Oh and Yes I care since it affects the WORLD. The world should vote for the next american gouverment, because I'm not sure the american people are smart enough to see something else than the US propaganda (in general).

                                                                    As soon as you put out a few negative FACTS against USA, they call you un-patriotic... how dumb is that. Completely brain-washed.

                                                                    I'm gonna kill someone for the stupidity.
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                                                                      • baddog
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by frankthetank
                                                                        I must disagree, if it were such a powerful documentary then both sides would have been shown, instead bush was portraid as an evil mastermind who wanted this from the begining, yet fails to mention how many saddam killed, the info that bush received about iraq, and how many bin laden killed... if anything it made me pull more towards bush, and if I could vote for him if I was american I would vote for him, I am sure if I were to do a documentary on clinton looking into the camera looking stupid that wouldnt be hard to find... hell even kerry...the fact is that most of this movie was focused on making bush look stupid, hardly any facts that I havent heard before on CNN.
                                                                        would you expect less from Moore? he would not know how to do a documentary if his life depended on it . . . . and no, I am not pro-Bush . . . I am just anti-Moore

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                                                                          • baddog
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                            • 107089
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by the indigo


                                                                            Oh and Yes I care since it affects the WORLD. The world should vote for the next american gouverment,
                                                                            idiot

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                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                umm.. So is Saudi Arabia.. Why didn't you invade?

                                                                                The Saudi government beheads people. Why didn't you invade?

                                                                                Again. Why didn't you invade Saudi Arabia???
                                                                                Or how about Iran???? They're a lot worse than Iraq.. Figure it out.
                                                                                how about because Saudi Arabia did not lose a war, and sign a treaty and violate it? and who cares how a country executes it's criminals?

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                                                                                  • Tempest
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                    • 10217
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                    how about because Saudi Arabia did not lose a war, and sign a treaty and violate it? and who cares how a country executes it's criminals?
                                                                                    How about because Bush wants to control the oil. He didn't have to go into Saudi Arabia because he's friends with them already. Still haven't answered why not Iran? The whole treaty thing is the weakest excuse ever. Why do you believe that.

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                                                                                      • baddog
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                        • 107089
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                        How about because Bush wants to control the oil. He didn't have to go into Saudi Arabia because he's friends with them already. Still haven't answered why not Iran? The whole treaty thing is the weakest excuse ever. Why do you believe that.
                                                                                        because it is fact, if you weren't 8 years old when the treaty was signed you might know that . . . and we don't rely on Iraqi oil, never have . . . if it was about the oil our gas prices wouldn't be so fucking high

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                                                                                          • baddog
                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                            • 107089
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                            Still haven't answered why not Iran?
                                                                                            why Iran? we did not have a war with them that they lost . . . better question, why not Canada . . it would be easier, and we could use the lumber

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                                                                                              • Tempest
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                                • 10217
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                because it is fact, if you weren't 8 years old when the treaty was signed you might know that . . . and we don't rely on Iraqi oil, never have . . . if it was about the oil our gas prices wouldn't be so fucking high
                                                                                                I was probably as old as you were... no.. you don't.. but you will.. More and more of the Saudi oil is going to be going to China and you're going to need new sources... thus.. Iraq... Do you actually watch the news or make this up as you go along?

                                                                                                And of course you didn't answer my question as to why you actually believe the reason Bush went into Iraq was because of the "treaty"?

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                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                    I was probably as old as you were... no.. you don't.. but you will.. More and more of the Saudi oil is going to be going to China and you're going to need new sources... thus.. Iraq... Do you actually watch the news or make this up as you go along?

                                                                                                    And of course you didn't answer my question as to why you actually believe the reason Bush went into Iraq was because of the "treaty"?
                                                                                                    are you 50? I answered the questions, just because you don't like the answers does not mean they weren't answered

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                                                                                                      • Tempest
                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                                                        • 10217
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                        why Iran? we did not have a war with them that they lost . . . better question, why not Canada . . it would be easier, and we could use the lumber
                                                                                                        They have a ton of terrorists there that hate the US. And of course the Nuclear stuff. So when's the invasion?

                                                                                                        Because you have treaties with us.. but I guess you could break them. Think anyone should invade you if you did. But then again Bush doesn't seem to have to adhere to any treaties or international laws. You support that?

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                                                                                                          • Tempest
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                                                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                                                            • 10217
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                            are you 50? I answered the questions, just because you don't like the answers does not mean they weren't answered
                                                                                                            Ok.. No, I'm 40.. And no. You didn't answer the question as to whether or not you believe that Bush went into Iraq because they violated/broke the treaty.

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                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                Ok.. No, I'm 40.. And no. You didn't answer the question as to whether or not you believe that Bush went into Iraq because they violated/broke the treaty.
                                                                                                                yes

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                                                                                                                  • Tempest
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                                                    • 10217
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                    yes
                                                                                                                    That's all I wanted to know.

                                                                                                                    I was thinking about your invade Canada comment. Actually, I could see invading for the cheap meds as opposed to lumber. Oh.. that and the semi-legal pot.

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                                                                                                                      • Mishi
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                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                        • 1054
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Moore was on The Daily Show last night (yes, I get my news from Comedy Central). Stewart asked him flat out if his film was "fair". Moore answered, "No." Moore is a satirist, and a man who won't for one minute deny that he has an agenda. Whether you agree with him or disagree with him or fall somewhere in the middle, you have to admire the fact that he is the first to admit that he is biased. He doesn't necessarily want you to agree with him - he just wants you to think. And, unfortunately, sometimes it takes an extreme opinion to make people think.

                                                                                                                        Kind of an aside...Jon Stewart was on Larry King tonight. A caller called in basically baiting Jon to say that the Republicans are idiots. He rebuffed her quite eloquently. Stewart may be liberal-leaning, but he's equal-opportuinity when it comes to calling politicians and political-leaning guests to the carpet. (And his flaying of Jennifer Love Hewitt was priceless; but I digress...)

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                                                                                                                          • theking
                                                                                                                            Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                            • 21053
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mishi
                                                                                                                            Moore was on The Daily Show last night (yes, I get my news from Comedy Central). Stewart asked him flat out if his film was "fair". Moore answered, "No." Moore is a satirist, and a man who won't for one minute deny that he has an agenda.
                                                                                                                            Yes...he is a satirist and on the...now defunct...Polictically Incorrect show he once talked about how he is an entertainer that is laughing all the way to the bank...and could not really understand how people took him so seriously...and niether can I. I like his writings and his film but accept them for what they are...entertainment.
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