I do not understand why common people vote Republican if the Democratic party is "the party of the common man". The Republican party is more concerned with benefiting the interests of "big business". It would seem that voting Democrat would be the logical choice for ordinary, non-wealthy, depend-on-every-paycheck people. Yet, some of those people vote Republican. Why?
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Jesus, and they see tax cuts as being generous if they get $100 back.icq 279990726
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Bush's taxcut was only for highest income levels. Low income didn't get any taxcut.Originally posted by cluck
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I know my parents got some. It was mediocre at best.Originally posted by M_M
Bush's taxcut was only for highest income levels. Low income didn't get any taxcut.icq 279990726
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Not common, RELIGIOUS fucking people vote republican.
Because they are ignorant and backward, and only know what they learn from the prime time news.
The internet has opened so many minds, I can't wait to see what generations to come produce.
Fuck religion, all religions. The root of all evil and greed, may their founding fathers feel the most pain in the afterlife of dissipated energy.Comment
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I could explain to you exactly why common people vote conservative. The truth is working class white people feel disconnected from their Government and the whole democratic process. As a whole they are against mass immigration strongly yet noone even cares to notice this fact.
Mass immigration continues and in turn these working class folk become more unhappy and disconnected from their Government and then furthermore the whole liberalisation of their nation. Conservatives than take this anger and use it to gain votes and push policy (including the Iraqi war), whilst at the same time not even taking into account the real reasons behind this sentiment (mass legal and illegal immigration).
If mass immigration where addressed as an issue by the Democrats for example (if they truly represented working class sentiment in that respect) I am sure that they would win the next election. This is the case in Australia atleast, and if the socialist Labor Party (the equivelent to the Democrats) simply said they would reduce immigration numbers they would be almost guaranteed election victory.
Instead, John Coward (the leader of the Conservative party) steals these votes by passing some anti-PC comments close to election time, or furthermore making an attempt not todisconnecting himself with an anti-immigration sentiment. Despite this political move though he continues to allow the free flow of more than 130,000 immigrants legally into the country each year, and thus does not address the issue.
Don't understand what I am trying to express? Than read this:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...?oneclick=true
It is time someone (which really should be the socialist party) addressed the masses concern with immigration. Whoever truly does this in a genuine manner will not only be guaranteed to win many elections to come, but also assure that reactionary conservative viewpoints will NOT be so well received by the masses.Last edited by Odin88; 06-21-2004, 01:22 AM.Comment
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Don't sugar coat it...tell us how your really feel.Originally posted by cherrylula
Fuck religion, all religions. The root of all evil and greed, may their founding fathers feel the most pain in the afterlife of dissipated energy.
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The media fools them by making everything about two word talking points. That, combined with preachers like Jerry Falwell who are in bed with them and say things like "God told me Bush is going to win by a landslide".Comment
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because SMART common people understand that big biz is the one that supplies the jobs and pays for their kids education.Comment
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Mass immigration issue has been around for over a 100 years and has not shows to hurt our country or the enom, after all this is the land if immigrants.
dont forget immigrants, get jobs, start small businesses, emply people, and pay taxes.
Its the illegal immigration thats a problem.Comment
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Great point, that is why people vote for the Republicans.We sure have seen that during republican administrations unemployment rates always go way down, as do tuition costs and loan rates.Originally posted by slavdogg
because SMART common people understand that big biz is the one that supplies the jobs and pays for their kids education.
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Same reason they buy soap. Make the box look good, brand it, and the suckers will buy it no matter how shitty the soap is.
Once they find out they bought shitty soap, no problem. Just make a "new improved" box and sell it all over again four years later.Im here to help surfers find relevant contentComment
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Any really low wage person would have to be a serious fool to vote for Bush again. While he's busy letting Halliburton scam billions from the treasury and eliminating corporate taxes, Kerry's proposing to raise the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.
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They vote republican because they are stupid fucks and partly kept stupid by the republicans and their media empire.Comment
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I am talking about in every Western nation, not just 'Amerikwa'. Europe is not a land of immigrants, yet they have the same issue. Point is, where is the democracy?Originally posted by slavdogg
Mass immigration issue has been around for over a 100 years and has not shows to hurt our country or the enom, after all this is the land if immigrants.
dont forget immigrants, get jobs, start small businesses, emply people, and pay taxes.
Its the illegal immigration thats a problem.Comment
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Every Republican would have a different answer. Some people vote one issue, some vote one particular subset of the general party philosophy and some vote on a breadth of issues. These things change over time for various reasons. The Republicans promoted Reconstruction in the 1860s, The Democrats supported Civil Rights in the 1960s. Until Roosevelt, American blacks tended to support Republicans. Things change.
Today, besides the great issue of social laws there has been the issue of socialism. Though Democrats largely consider Republicans too intrusive on issues of social mores, Republicans - for the most part - consider Democrats too intrusive on issues of social government
(too much welfare, too much business regulation, affirmative action, minimum wages and so on).
Taxes, interestingly, are another issue that has gone back and forth between the parties. Two of the biggest tax cuts in history were by Kennedy and Reagan.
More taxes is a way to bigger government and this has offended many Republicans - though with Bush, we have seen that more borrowing is a way to bigger government and this was also true under Reagan. What Republicans really mean by smaller government is less social support .
Amusingly, Clinton's years in office saw government grow at a slower rate than either of the administrations that bookended him who both promised smaller government. No matter what promises or by whom - the only shrinkages in government in the past 80 years came at the beginning of the Great Depression and at the end of the Second Great War. Both of the major US parties have done nothing but increase spending. Maybe the best one who believes in smaller government can hope for is proportional increases in government spending. This has pretty much been the case. Government spending as a proportion of GDP was 21% in 1976. It was 19% in 2003.
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Immigration is a prime reason why the US has become "the world's only superpower".Originally posted by slavdogg
Mass immigration issue has been around for over a 100 years and has not shows to hurt our country or the enom, after all this is the land if immigrants.
dont forget immigrants, get jobs, start small businesses, emply people, and pay taxes.
Its the illegal immigration thats a problem.
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because not all common people are stupid.Originally posted by M_M
I do not understand why common people vote Republican if the Democratic party is "the party of the common man". The Republican party is more concerned with benefiting the interests of "big business". It would seem that voting Democrat would be the logical choice for ordinary, non-wealthy, depend-on-every-paycheck people. Yet, some of those people vote Republican. Why?
They understand that "big business" is who they get their paycheck from and once you kill the golden goose, there is no more paycheck.
Or it could be that they are smart enough to understand that the wealthy already pay for 50% of every government subsity they receive and are morally balanced enough to not be looking to soak them for more.
Or perhaps they're smart enough to understand that they will one day be wealthy and therefore are looking out for their future interests.
Or perhaps they don't like being patronized by race baiting, class warfare con artists.
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Colin and 12clicks refreshing to here something that has a greater understanding of the real picture.....Trust no one there all snakesComment
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mwhaaha...so trueOriginally posted by Rich
Great point, that is why people vote for the Republicans.We sure have seen that during republican administrations unemployment rates always go way down, as do tuition costs and loan rates.
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My first job was at McDonald's. My second was as a fry cook at Taco Bell. I made $3.35 and then $3.45 an hour. I was never in favor of the government forcing my employer to pay me more money. At that age, 16, I was reading a lot of success stories - "rags to riches" stories. Stories where everyday people earned their way to success rather than having it given to them. It always seemed to me that the best way for me to better my life was my own efforts.Originally posted by Rich
Any really low wage person would have to be a serious fool to vote for Bush again. While he's busy letting Halliburton scam billions from the treasury and eliminating corporate taxes, Kerry's proposing to raise the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.
There are good reasons to vote for Kerry but I don't think minimim wages is one of them.
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Simply not true. Look at the tax bracket tables for 2000 vs. 2001.Originally posted by M_M
Bush's taxcut was only for highest income levels. Low income didn't get any taxcut.
Everyone got an equal tax break
Propoganda really does work, apparently.
If you expect rich people to get the same $$$ amount break as poor people, it's just not possible. An equal percentage is going to mean that rich people are saving more due to the breaks. But the percentage is the same!Last edited by ItBurnsWhenIpee; 06-21-2004, 07:21 AM.Comment
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perhaps it is best to look at republicans as conservative and democrats as progressive. don't just hink economics.BarefootsiesComment
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why do webmasters support the republican party? Why support a group that wants to put you out of business?
this makes no sense to me.Comment
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Can't tell if you're being sarcastic. So far you're right, except for tution costs.Originally posted by Rich
Great point, that is why people vote for the Republicans.We sure have seen that during republican administrations unemployment rates always go way down, as do tuition costs and loan rates.
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You are simply wrong. The tax cuts bush put through were heavily weighted in favour of the wealthy.Originally posted by ItBurnsWhenIpee
Simply not true. Look at the tax bracket tables for 2000 vs. 2001.
Everyone got an equal tax break
Propoganda really does work, apparently.
If you expect rich people to get the same $$$ amount break as poor people, it's just not possible. An equal percentage is going to mean that rich people are saving more due to the breaks. But the percentage is the same!
$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers.................
You have to understand that some of the tax cuts, although applied evenly thoughout the population, benefit the wealthy much more than the poor. Take bush's abolition of double taxation on share dividends. How does this help poor people who dont own shares compared with how it helps rich people who do own shares? Even one of the richest people on earth, Warren Buffet said that this tax cut was absurd and said something like- "this helps me save 300 million in taxes, but it would do more for the US economy if $1,000 was given to 300,000 poorest families than 300 mil to me."
similarly, bush got rid of inheritance taxes. this is almost insignificant to the poor who often leave nothing or inherit nothing. even the middle class is basically unaffected by this. when you do some very simple analysis, guess who it benefits? wealthy bitches like paris hilton...
and bush turned clinton's budget surplus into a huge deficit which is growing.
the guy is a fucking disaster. i just heard that about 300 US law professors have all signed a document for bush to be impeached due to his handling of WMD's and iraq...
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You now rank among the top three assinine statements I have read....Originally posted by cherrylula
Not common, RELIGIOUS fucking people vote republican.
Because they are ignorant and backward, and only know what they learn from the prime time news.
The internet has opened so many minds, I can't wait to see what generations to come produce.
Fuck religion, all religions. The root of all evil and greed, may their founding fathers feel the most pain in the afterlife of dissipated energy.We are what we repeatedly do.-AristotleComment
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Weg issues someone referred to it as god and guns. I would say gods, guns and race. A lot of common folk feel like victims. They feel like their government is victimizing them. The government is trying to take their religion and guns away, and at the same time government is forcing business to hire unqualified minority applicants over them. The Republicans spend a tremendous amount of time on these issues playing on these fears and feeding them. For example they use the confederate flag issue to appeal to these people?s racism without having to come out and say we hate (insert whatever minority group you prefer here). It is simply a way to be able to say ?we are for whitey? without having to say it directly.Comment
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While you are in the welfare line looking for a handout, I'll be in the booth voting for Bush....Answer your question?Originally posted by montel
You are simply wrong. The tax cuts bush put through were heavily weighted in favour of the wealthy.
$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers.................
You have to understand that some of the tax cuts, although applied evenly thoughout the population, benefit the wealthy much more than the poor. Take bush's abolition of double taxation on share dividends. How does this help poor people who dont own shares compared with how it helps rich people who do own shares? Even one of the richest people on earth, Warren Buffet said that this tax cut was absurd and said something like- "this helps me save 300 million in taxes, but it would do more for the US economy if $1,000 was given to 300,000 poorest families than 300 mil to me."
similarly, bush got rid of inheritance taxes. this is almost insignificant to the poor who often leave nothing or inherit nothing. even the middle class is basically unaffected by this. when you do some very simple analysis, guess who it benefits? wealthy bitches like paris hilton...
and bush turned clinton's budget surplus into a huge deficit which is growing.
the guy is a fucking disaster. i just heard that about 300 US law professors have all signed a document for bush to be impeached due to his handling of WMD's and iraq...
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Originally posted by pine
Don't sugar coat it...tell us how your really feel.
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what Kerry says and what does are 2 Diff. things, after all we have a thing called congress.Originally posted by Rich
Any really low wage person would have to be a serious fool to vote for Bush again. While he's busy letting Halliburton scam billions from the treasury and eliminating corporate taxes, Kerry's proposing to raise the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer
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pretty much right on.Originally posted by Colin
Immigration is a prime reason why the US has become "the world's only superpower".
Legal Immigration, I don't very many people not for it, what the USA built on.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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you are simply wrong.Originally posted by montel
You are simply wrong. The tax cuts bush put through were heavily weighted in favour of the wealthy.
amazing how effective propaganda directed at the poor is.
Fact: there was an equal % across the board cut.
out of 1.7 trillion in cuts? what's your point?Originally posted by montel
$197 Billion in Tax Cuts to Top 1% of US Taxpayers.................
this argument is completely meaningless until the poor PAY as much in taxes as the rich.Originally posted by montel
You have to understand that some of the tax cuts, although applied evenly thoughout the population, benefit the wealthy much more than the poor. Take bush's abolition of double taxation on share dividends. How does this help poor people who dont own shares compared with how it helps rich people who do own shares? Even one of the richest people on earth, Warren Buffet said that this tax cut was absurd and said something like- "this helps me save 300 million in taxes, but it would do more for the US economy if $1,000 was given to 300,000 poorest families than 300 mil to me."
similarly, bush got rid of inheritance taxes. this is almost insignificant to the poor who often leave nothing or inherit nothing. even the middle class is basically unaffected by this. when you do some very simple analysis, guess who it benefits? wealthy bitches like paris hilton...
as it is now, the rich pay 50% of ALL taxes collected. Imagine if the poor had to pick up their equal share.
these liberal dupes should get out more. Then maybe they would see the latest UN report detailing how WMDs were transported out of the country before and during the war.Originally posted by montel
the guy is a fucking disaster. i just heard that about 300 US law professors have all signed a document for bush to be impeached due to his handling of WMD's and iraq...
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link?these liberal dupes should get out more. Then maybe they would see the latest UN report detailing how WMDs were transported out of the country before and during the war. [/B]Comment
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http://216.26.163.62/2004/me_iraq_06_11.htmlOriginally posted by sacX
link?
"""The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003."""I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.Comment
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This has been on the news for awhile, at least on FOX.Originally posted by 12clicks
http://216.26.163.62/2004/me_iraq_06_11.html
"""The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003."""
Mohammar Qaddafi (Libyan ) had the Nukes or the program in a mountain, dug a huge hole in the side of a mountain and let Iraq move there Nuke program there. That's why we couldn't or can't find them.
Qaddafi He admits it
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It always amazes me that the rabble will not post a chart showing what the top 1% PAY to the government already.
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Would someone please explain to me how an across the board tax cut could EVER be done without poor people saying it benefits the rich more?
Rich people are paying for the roads you drive on! You think poor people chipping in $1500 a year or something are doing it? Be glad there are successful people
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Originally posted by jimmyf
This has been on the news for awhile, at least on FOX.
sighOriginally posted by jimmyf
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Well there's a difference between us, I'm from the Bill Clinton school that says the rich don't need to hold the poor down to get richer. A black mother of 3 is never going to have a fucking rags to riches story, but personally I wouldn't mind seeing her able to pay for heath insurance and food. I love a guy who's parents paid his way though Yale preaching about how he didn't need the minimum wage raised when he worked at McDonalds for spending money at the age of SIXTEEN. People don't care about the minimum wage because of how it relates to a rich kid's drinking money. Try taking a minimum wage job NOW because that's all there is in your neighborhood, and you don't have mommy and daddy to pay your way to an Ivy league school. I seriously doubt you paid your tuition at $3.35/hour.Originally posted by Colin
My first job was at McDonald's. My second was as a fry cook at Taco Bell. I made $3.35 and then $3.45 an hour. I was never in favor of the government forcing my employer to pay me more money. At that age, 16, I was reading a lot of success stories - "rags to riches" stories. Stories where everyday people earned their way to success rather than having it given to them. It always seemed to me that the best way for me to better my life was my own efforts.
There are good reasons to vote for Kerry but I don't think minimim wages is one of them.
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How can he have proposed a tax cut anyway when theres record debt?
I dont know about you folks, but when I got that 1 time measly $400 check, it was spent on bills immediately. I was like, ok, here you can have it back. What a waste.
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Originally posted by 12clicks
http://216.26.163.62/2004/me_iraq_06_11.html
"""The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003."""
hahaha, no wonder you're so fucking ass backwards, you just believe whatever horseshit makes what you've said in the past right. I didn't realze you were that fucking stupid, I mean I knew you were stupid but this is too much.
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Nice source 12dicks, now we understand why you're so misinformed on just about everything you talk about.Aficionados of the Drudge Report may have noticed several striking headlines recently linking to stories from the World Tribune, an enterprise with a title as grand and ambitious as it is unfamiliar. One such story last week began, ?U.S. intelligence suspects Iraq?s weapons of mass destruction have finally been located.? The apparent scoop?of stop-the-presses significance?was unsigned, and billed as a ?special to World Tribune.com.? The Times, the Journal, and the Washington Post, meanwhile, not only got beat but failed even to acknowledge the news in the days that followed. What gives?
Not everyone ignored it: Rush Limbaugh, for instance. ?There?s a piece in the World Tribune today?one of the papers in the United Kingdom?exactly as theorized on this program early on,? he said on his radio show. ?It?s unconfirmed, but it?s a story that many of the weapons of mass destruction are at present buried in the Bekaa Valley of Lebanon.? Fox News, catering to a similar demographic, enlisted a military analyst that evening to discuss potential ramifications?military intervention in Lebanon??on ?The O?Reilly Factor.? According to the story, the weapons were probably delivered to the Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold, in a caravan of tractor-trailers that was spotted leaving Iraq in January, two months before the war began, as part of a multimillion- dollar storage deal between Saddam Hussein and the Syrian government.
In fact, the World Tribune is not published in the United Kingdom, nor is it, to be precise, a newspaper. It is a Web site produced, more or less as a hobby, in Falls Church, Virginia, and is dedicated to the notion, as its mission statement explains, that ?there is a market for news of the world and not just news of the weird.? (Nonetheless, the site includes a prominent feature, Cosmic Tribune, with an extraterrestrial focus, and it links to a Mafia journal called Gang Land News.) Its editor and publisher, Robert Morton, is an assistant managing editor at the Washington Times and a former ?corporate editor? for News World Communications, the Times? owner and the publishing arm of the Unification Church, led by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. (Morton and his wife, Choon Boon, are themselves followers of the Reverend Moon.) Among the World Tribune?s other recent half-ignored scoops are that Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for last month?s blackout and that a North Korean defector stressed, during a meeting in July with White House officials, the need for a preëmptive military strike against Kim Jong Il.
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I hope this helps some of you get a good idea just how serious sources like Fox, Rush Limbaugh, and the Drudge report are. They're just right wing propaganda machines that will talk about anything positive for Bush if they think a few people will buy it, or if they think they can force it into the mainstream media.Comment
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I think lots of people watch and listen to right wing pundits who push this we are one of you. The bullshit if you make over 60 k you are considered rich by the Govt.Comment
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well of course that link is ridiculous but the link to UMNOVIC report is fine, it discusses how some scraps of Iraqi rockets have turned up in the Netherlands, hardly WMD's though.Originally posted by Rich
hahaha, no wonder you're so fucking ass backwards, you just believe whatever horseshit makes what you've said in the past right. I didn't realze you were that fucking stupid, I mean I knew you were stupid but this is too much.
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Nice source 12dicks, now we understand why you're so misinformed on just about everything you talk about.
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You are correct in that RELIGION has been the cause of much evil in the world. Still, don't forget that Jesus was one of the biggest "leftists" in the history of the world. He told people to give up everything to take care of the sick and the poor. Republican? I think not. Just a reminder to differentiate between religious people and true followers of Jesus.Originally posted by cherrylula
Not common, RELIGIOUS fucking people vote republican.
Because they are ignorant and backward, and only know what they learn from the prime time news.
The internet has opened so many minds, I can't wait to see what generations to come produce.
Fuck religion, all religions. The root of all evil and greed, may their founding fathers feel the most pain in the afterlife of dissipated energy.
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