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11-15-2003, 06:52 AM

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Okay I remember reading that it takes 6 months for symptoms to start appearing, but how long is it between the time you have sex with an infected person and the time that you are contagious yourself?

I don't think one is infectious before one is sick...but I bought my MD license on Brighton Beach, I may be wrong.
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11-15-2003, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by Forest

where do u see me bitching

i was corrcting an incorrect statement

I put the model and the photographer together

what they do from their lies their responsibility

So you still send girls to someone who you're publicly accusing of a " Life and Death situation" putting models lives at risk?

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11-15-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

I don't think it's that simple and the situations you are relating are not even close to being the same. Serge posted this is a "Life and Death situation" so that carries a conotation of being very very serious and if you knowingly send someone into that situation for your own profit with disregard, well it may be well within your rights to do so and you might not be totally liable but you're still doing something wrong.

Times Magazine carried Marlboro commercials.
Cigarettes kill.

What's Times responcibility/liability?

if you wanna turn this thread into MORALITY thread,
I hope you have enough pop corn
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11-15-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by Carrie

I agree somewhat.
I think the question to ask here is whether Forest is *still* sending girls to Greg, now that he knows they're not being tested before they shoot hardcore.

Could be that all this happened before he found out, and he's no longer sending models over there because of it.

I havent sent girls to gregg since sept for 2 reasons

testing was one

the amount he pays for models was lower than others i have found
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11-15-2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

So you still send girls to someone who you're publicly accusing of a " Life and Death situation" putting models lives at risk?

just answered above
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11-15-2003, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Times Magazine carried Marlboro commercials.
Cigarettes kill.

What's Times responcibility/liability?

if you wanna turn this thread into MORALITY thread,
I hope you have enough pop corn

You started a MORALITY thread bro, so don't blame me for discussing it.

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11-15-2003, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Forest

I havent sent girls to gregg since sept for 2 reasons

testing was one

the amount he pays for models was lower than others i have found

Good on ya, Forest
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11-15-2003, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

You started a MORALITY thread bro, so don't blame me for discussing it.

fine...

answer me the question:
is fucking animals by humans morally right or wrong?
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11-15-2003, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by Forest

I havent sent girls to gregg since sept for 2 reasons

testing was one

the amount he pays for models was lower than others i have found

well if you no longer send girls because of testing then I applaud you for doing the right thing even if it's not always the money making thing.

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11-15-2003, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

fine...

answer me the question:
is fucking animals by humans morally right or wrong?

Who cares? It's fun.

Hmm...did I say that out loud?

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11-15-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

fine...

answer me the question:
is fucking animals by humans morally right or wrong?

Nice attempt to drag me into some dumb shit Serge. It may be early but it's not so early that i'm falling for that one.

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11-15-2003, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

well if you no longer send girls because of testing then I applaud you for doing the right thing even if it's not always the money making thing.

actually worked out to make me more money because the people i send them to now

1. TEST EVERYONE and requier it

2. pay more than 400.00 to the model for a b/g shoot

400.00 was what gregg was paying the last models i sent for b/g
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11-15-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Nice attempt to drag me into some dumb shit Serge. It may be early but it's not so early that i'm falling for that one.

just say you don't know...this would suffice
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11-15-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Digipimp

Nice attempt to drag me into some dumb shit Serge. It may be early but it's not so early that i'm falling for that one.

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11-15-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by FATPad
Who cares? It's fun.

Hmm...did I say that out loud?

really????
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11-15-2003, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
Just a thought..... why do models need to be TOLD to get fucking tested? If there is blame for lack of current testing, shouldn't it be at least shared? Those actively working in hardcore shouldn't need to be fucking told to get tested, just fucking go do it regularly. Producers need to make staying on top of that a top priority as well, but the most shouldn't have to be fucking told.

Your assuming all models are professionals, most of the models that content guys shoot are first timers, fresh faces so they dont know. What's going to make them think about aids, when most of them dont even think about using condoms in their personal life lol.
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11-15-2003, 07:16 AM

With the amount of porn now being shot in cities other than L.A. there is eventually going to be a human disaster. Thanks to Sharon Mitchell and AIM, and conscientous producers and talent, there have been very few cases of HIV or AIDS over the last couple decades that AIDS has been around in the L.A. porn industry. Amazing considering that tens of thousands of scenes are shot every year with girls coming and going in and out of the business. No system is perfect, there was a male pornstar named Marc Wallice who tested positive years ago and somehow he was allowed to keep working and endangering girls with his dick O' death. This is the story that Luke Ford broke and made him a celebrity porn journalist.

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11-15-2003, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Carrie

I agree somewhat.
I think the question to ask here is whether Forest is *still* sending girls to Greg, now that he knows they're not being tested before they shoot hardcore.

Could be that all this happened before he found out, and he's no longer sending models over there because of it.

Yeah but you also have to consider the accountability of the model. Sure it's the producer's job to check, and MAY be the middle man's, should he decide to be that thorough. But it's ALSO the model's responsibility to ask! If a girl is stupid enough to go and shoot with producers who aren't asking her for AIDS tests, and she is assuming the other parties don't have anything, she is naive, dumb, or both. It's another unfortunate reality of the industry.

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11-15-2003, 07:21 AM

The girls who do this are 90% screwballs - it's up to the businessmen who use them to make money to watch out for their welfare. Everybody in this business right down to the smallest TGPer to some extent exploits these girls. Least people can do is watch out for them a little bit.

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11-15-2003, 07:25 AM

True, on one hand we're asking that these girls be sensible, and that's just not going to happen in the majority of cases. So that leaves it up to the photographer.

But in either case, it's the photographer's business at risk, so s/he should be covering *their* ass, even if they don't really give a shit about the models. (I'd hope that wasn't the case though.)
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11-15-2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Carrie
True, on one hand we're asking that these girls be sensible, and that's just not going to happen in the majority of cases. So that leaves it up to the photographer.

But in either case, it's the photographer's business at risk, so s/he should be covering *their* ass, even if they don't really give a shit about the models. (I'd hope that wasn't the case though.)

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11-15-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Forest

where do u see me bitching

i was corrcting an incorrect statement

I put the model and the photographer together

what they do from their lies their responsibility

WTF????????????
I didn't write that!!!!
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11-15-2003, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

WTF????????????
I didn't write that!!!!

ummm i wrote that
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11-15-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Forest

ummm i wrote that

the quote before that...
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11-15-2003, 08:17 AM

I have been involved in hardcore shoots for over 10 years. We wont even turn the lights on, let alone the cameras, unless all models involved have a passport proving they are over 18, a second form of ID that we recognise as valid also proving they are over 18 (driving license etc) and a valid HIV certificate.

Our view is that if a model caught HIV from a job they did for us they may take us to court.

We protect their life they protect our income.
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11-15-2003, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by Krome
I have been involved in hardcore shoots for over 10 years. We wont even turn the lights on, let alone the cameras, unless all models involved have a passport proving they are over 18, a second form of ID that we recognise as valid also proving they are over 18 (driving license etc) and a valid HIV certificate.

Our view is that if a model caught HIV from a job they did for us they may take us to court.

We protect their life they protect our income.
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11-15-2003, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

the quote before that...

my bad bro

that actually came from digi

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11-15-2003, 09:30 AM

Bottom line message I get from this thread is this.... the insuring of health, safety and legal implications in this industry is ALL of our responsibility. That includes the performers, models, producers, and yes, even the guy sending the talent. Everybody. Passing the buck isn't going to cut it if someone turns up positive, then another, then another. We all know that it has happened before. Saying "Hey, it ain't MY responsibility" sure isn't cutting it with me anyway, I don't know about the rest of you.

And HIV has an incubation period of up to a year. Getting tested every 2-3 months is as big a safeguard as you're going to get, and as I said earlier... should be the standard operating procedure of anyone that is actively involved in production. Can I say it any clearer? Do I need to make it somehow simpler for anyone?

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11-15-2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
Bottom line message I get from this thread is this.... the insuring of health, safety and legal implications in this industry is ALL of our responsibility. That includes the performers, models, producers, and yes, even the guy sending the talent. Everybody. Passing the buck isn't going to cut it if someone turns up positive, then another, then another. We all know that it has happened before. Saying "Hey, it ain't MY responsibility" sure isn't cutting it with me anyway, I don't know about the rest of you.

And HIV has an incubation period of up to a year. Getting tested every 2-3 months is as big a safeguard as you're going to get, and as I said earlier... should be the standard operating procedure of anyone that is actively involved in production. Can I say it any clearer? Do I need to make it somehow simpler for anyone?

i hope some hear and take your advise
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11-15-2003, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith
Bottom line message I get from this thread is this.... the insuring of health, safety and legal implications in this industry is ALL of our responsibility. That includes the performers, models, producers, and yes, even the guy sending the talent. Everybody. Passing the buck isn't going to cut it if someone turns up positive, then another, then another. We all know that it has happened before. Saying "Hey, it ain't MY responsibility" sure isn't cutting it with me anyway, I don't know about the rest of you.

And HIV has an incubation period of up to a year. Getting tested every 2-3 months is as big a safeguard as you're going to get, and as I said earlier... should be the standard operating procedure of anyone that is actively involved in production. Can I say it any clearer? Do I need to make it somehow simpler for anyone?

very well said and that sums it up for all parties involved. lets face it, most producers could give 2 shits about the models, the models dont sit there and think about the potential reprocussions; only the quick buck. with what cd said, this covers everyone directly and indirectly. what that model does once she leaves your studio is not your problem BUT you have just covered your ass so nothing comes back to bite you.

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11-15-2003, 12:03 PM

Two points spring to mind on this thread -

1) Concience -

2) Cash

Just like happily and married - concience and cash are two words that never go together.

Disregard HIV ? It would be sick of me to ask why money is so fucking important to do such a crass thing...

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11-15-2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Cassie

very well said and that sums it up for all parties involved. lets face it, most producers could give 2 shits about the models, the models dont sit there and think about the potential reprocussions; only the quick buck. with what cd said, this covers everyone directly and indirectly. what that model does once she leaves your studio is not your problem BUT you have just covered your ass so nothing comes back to bite you.

Verry true

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