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When one of your hot cam girls pulls attitude what do you do?

11-13-2003, 02:03 AM

OK, I'm watching one of the top cam provider feeds tonight, and probably their hottest looking girl who is normally smiling, friendly and really nice to potential customers in the chat room. And its obvious right away she's got that "what the fuck am I doing this for" look on her face. She was moody, not doing what she's supposed to do, totally being rude and nasty to the guys chatting with her. Looked like she was bored out of her mind the entire time.

A lot of guys got pissed off and started getting sarcastic back at her. A lot of guys left.

Like I said I'm sure this girl is one of the top earners for the company to pull guys into paid private chat, but she should have been pulled offline, given a talking to, and sent home to chill out.

So what do you think is best in situations where a cam girl starts getting burned out on you? Pre-empt the inevitable and let her go before she starts giving your service a bad rep? Pay her more to motivate her again?

From experience I know doing live cam shows is the most draining thing you can do in this biz. You got a bunch of lame guys typing constantly show us your tits, show us your ass, show us your feet, etc. So its hard work for sure, but hey if you can't handle the job, don't do it, cause if you sit there pretending and you aren't into it, you're going to make the site look bad and you're not going to have fun working it obviously either.

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11-13-2003, 02:06 AM

tell her to get her drug fix before the show next time

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11-13-2003, 02:08 AM

does anyone actually sit & monitor cam shows? i cant imagine a company with 100s of live cam models keeping tabs on them at all times.

or maybe i have no idea how it all works lol

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11-13-2003, 02:08 AM

I think generally the girl's personality sells more than her look.

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11-13-2003, 02:08 AM

supposedly these work wonders for that situation...
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11-13-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Dawgy
does anyone actually sit & monitor cam shows? i cant imagine a company with 100s of live cam models keeping tabs on them at all times.

or maybe i have no idea how it all works lol

Yes they are supposed to and do. That's why I was surprised to see this happen. First time I've seen a girl doing a burn out scene during a show. All the customers saw it going on and commented too, which got her even more flip with them.

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11-13-2003, 02:12 AM

Warn her 1 time maybe 2 times and if it happens again fire her ass, 100 others are in line waiting to replace her.

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11-13-2003, 02:14 AM

... if you have a cam system set up, I suppose you are probably logging EVERYTHING as it is (all text, and a clip every X seconds) just in case there a problems later --- right?

Soo on your GUI, you could have an hourly user rating or something... "How's my service?" and if the girls % of poor service complaints goes over x% during any hour, the cam worker would be warned on their end, you (admin) would be notified by email so then you can pull the logs, review it and act accordingly depending on what the situatioin was.

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11-13-2003, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by goBigtime
... if you have a cam system set up, I suppose you are probably logging EVERYTHING as it is (all text, and a clip every X seconds) just in case there a problems later --- right?

Soo on your GUI, you could have an hourly user rating or something... "How's my service?" and if the girls % of poor service complaints goes over x% during any hour, the cam worker would be warned on their end, you (admin) would be notified by email so then you can pull the logs, review it and act accordingly depending on what the situatioin was.

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11-13-2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by KRL

Good idea there!

I've got a million of them... you hiring?

Oh that reminds me... I'd still like to show you my thing and get your input... although in the next few days everyone will be able to see it anyway.
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11-13-2003, 02:19 AM

or you could just walk in and backhand her accordingly

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11-13-2003, 02:48 AM

At this end of the business it is all down to managemant skills. Why did a normally good worker suddenly turn out bad and how do you motivate, sell it or indstruct her to come around?

The last place you are going to get a decent answer is here, most do not have the skills needed and even if we did we do not know the full situation. But here's a stab at it.

You have to find out why and weigh up the girls character and then judge her worth. But alway letting her know you are in control, but care about her well being on a personal level.

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11-13-2003, 02:56 AM

Churn 'em and burn 'em.

Sounds bad, but talent is dispensable, don't let it fuck up your business. If they're getting tired of being a cam girl then hand them their final check and point them in the direction of the McDonald's down the street.

Get some fresh meat in there ASAP.

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11-13-2003, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by Dawgy
does anyone actually sit & monitor cam shows? i cant imagine a company with 100s of live cam models keeping tabs on them at all times.

or maybe i have no idea how it all works lol

Any good cam software has monoitoring built into it so you can spy to make sure the cam models are doing waht they are supposed to without them knowing it, or making sure they aren't doing anything illegal.

With this method in place you get a bunch of volunteer guys who love to watch to be moderators;)

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11-13-2003, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by BRISK
Churn 'em and burn 'em.

Sounds bad, but talent is dispensable, don't let it fuck up your business. If they're getting tired of being a cam girl then hand them their final check and point them in the direction of the McDonald's down the street.

Get some fresh meat in there ASAP.

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11-13-2003, 04:06 AM

Speaking from experience... EVERYone gets in a foul mood from time to time. Best bet is always let the girls know if they ARE in that sort of mindset, that they need to tell whomever so they can make a decision. Some might cheer up going on while other girls need to just take the night off. (Major money girls)

On the 1-800-call-ifIain't goodenuff idea? Thumbs down. You will always have one or two jerks show up and it only takes ONE to proxy in 20 times to up her 'chargeback' rate beyond acceptability...
Having solid people to monitor from time to time or even a FT person or two when you have quite a few girls to pop back and forth in invisible mode would be the best idea. Taking some PO'd surfers word is the worst thing you can do.

For any of the boyos who spout off they know this and that... you do NOT know what its like to be a female cammie and you never can or will. So drop it.

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11-13-2003, 06:01 AM

Personality definately sells... I get more sign ups from guys that dig my "brutal honesty" in my network camshows than i do from sitting there acting like a retarded wind up doll doing the moron requests."lift tit up"..suck nipple..fist ass..how many trucks can you fit into that pussy today".

Now pay per view cam is a bit different... of course her being in a good mood is key..
Personally I do my customers request (within reason) and get them out/off as fast as i can.. the less commucnication the better (i dont like to get to the point where i dislike them)..Its having to put up with all the fucking assholes that hord those rooms that arent paying and never will and think that they own the girl and she should be there for them to do as they please , that make it hard .

If she is a good money maker.. why scold her like a child(unless she acts like one) and run her off..You stated you knew how emotionally draining doing cam work is....So maybe chalk it up to her being a human being and not a 'tard doll.
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11-13-2003, 06:11 AM

everyone has a "bad" day. sounds to me like no one where she was working even gave a shit so that probably contributed to it. however business is business - i'm sure every cam girl has to meet a quota and as long as she is doing that, then she should stay.

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11-13-2003, 06:15 AM

Or you could take the personal approach. Check with her and see what's wrong. Talk to her and see if you can help. If not.. obviously need to evaluate.

EVERYONE has their down days. But to flat out be RUDE to customers is just not cool.. as they will never come back and never spend money with you - guaranteed.

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11-13-2003, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by BRISK
Churn 'em and burn 'em.

Sounds bad, but talent is dispensable, don't let it fuck up your business. If they're getting tired of being a cam girl then hand them their final check and point them in the direction of the McDonald's down the street.

Get some fresh meat in there ASAP.

Like I said you will find a lot here with little experience in management.

What if the girl is normally a good example, what if she can be relied upon to do "Specials", what if she will come in when others do not, what if her boyfriend beat her up this morning.

Your method shows little respect for the girls and they will show little back, fear is the last motivator. Here is how it should be done. In the 4 easy stages. Start at the one that is the most appropriate.

1) Get them to solve it. "What do you think is the solution?"
2) Sell it to them, "This way could really work well for you"
3) Instruct them, "This IS the way we do it"
4) Threat, "Do it my way or it's the highway"

But I guess some here like the idea of telling a woman what to do. Gives them a false sense of power.

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11-13-2003, 06:25 AM

Just like any other job... if they aren't living up to your expectations, warn them. Dealing with cam girls is a fine line between professional and casual because of the nature of the job... but from a management perspective, don't let your emotions or "niceness" dictate. Remind her of what she needs to do... if it continues, replace her.

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11-13-2003, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday
Personality definately sells... I get more sign ups from guys that dig my "brutal honesty" in my network camshows than i do from sitting there acting like a retarded wind up doll doing the moron requests."lift tit up"..suck nipple..fist ass..how many trucks can you fit into that pussy today".

Now pay per view cam is a bit different... of course her being in a good mood is key..
Personally I do my customers request (within reason) and get them out/off as fast as i can.. the less commucnication the better (i dont like to get to the point where i dislike them)..Its having to put up with all the fucking assholes that hord those rooms that arent paying and never will and think that they own the girl and she should be there for them to do as they please , that make it hard .

If she is a good money maker.. why scold her like a child(unless she acts like one) and run her off..You stated you knew how emotionally draining doing cam work is....So maybe chalk it up to her being a human being and not a 'tard doll.

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11-13-2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by charly
Like I said you will find a lot here with little experience in management.

Do you manage cam girls?

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11-13-2003, 06:38 AM

take a metal coat hanger, undo it and put it on a metal stove for about 20 mins. then whipp her with it a couple times. that should set her str8

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11-13-2003, 06:47 AM

Gives them a false sense of power. = immaturity

They aren't counting on how many girls they'll have to go thru to find a good one... nor the training time etc etc etc. Time is lost more on that then just dealing with what the problem might be. Which is usually something pretty simple. They're humans not wind up dolls.

But Noooo, lets dump them... then complain for a month about trying to fill that time slot. Got to always be the tuff guy and show 'em who's boss. lol

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11-13-2003, 06:51 AM

fire her and hire another crack/whore stripper to take her place.

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11-13-2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by brand0n
take a metal coat hanger, undo it and put it on a metal stove for about 20 mins. then whipp her with it a couple times. that should set her str8

Jesus Christ, never heard of that management technique before.

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11-13-2003, 07:18 AM

or you could just walk in and backhand her accordingly

That was great! hahaha

I agree though. It is "management". Management is just a term for an overpaid daycare worker. Part of managements job is motivation. Every employee has their motivational buttons, it is your job to find out what they are and how to push them.

If they've been properly interviewed then you should already know what they are. If you don't, then it's time for an "evaluation review/interview", find out what's going on, what she wants out of this, explain how her behavior affects the profitability of the company and how anything that is costing your business money is unacceptable.

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11-13-2003, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Dawgy
does anyone actually sit & monitor cam shows? i cant imagine a company with 100s of live cam models keeping tabs on them at all times.

I helped a company do this very thing and thats how I got in this biz. There were people whos job it was to keep the girls entertained and up beat, get them things they want etc, sure the shithole fly by night cam companies dont, but thwe ones that started this game did ;)

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11-13-2003, 07:21 AM

Oh, and I don't know if it already exists or has already been said in this thread but "Profit Sharing" of some sort gives them some ownership in the business and then they can become more concerned with the overall success.
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11-13-2003, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by QuaShe
Warn her 1 time maybe 2 times and if it happens again fire her ass, 100 others are in line waiting to replace her.

Hmm, I haven't seen the line... maybe I missed something.

KRL, I think Charlie's right about this being a management problem and not the girl's problem. They should have a monitoring department / Quality Assurance if you will.

The girl situation clearly should be dealt with depending on the circumstances. Charlie have some nice pointers.

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11-13-2003, 07:23 AM

I think these girls know what they are doing most of the time after a while they figure out how to get the $ if they are getting a % of the cash... Probably the guys just wanting to chat with a friendly girl wouldn't be throwing down money for the TnA anyway.
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11-13-2003, 07:32 AM

What if the girl is normally a good example, what if she can be relied upon to do "Specials", what if she will come in when others do not, what if her boyfriend beat her up this morning.

Since Charly brought this up already, I would suggest a "running" evaluation of your employees (all of them) Set up a file for each employee (even if it's just a shoebox) and everytime something noteworthy happens, good or bad, scribble it out on a piece of paper and toss it in. You can get a better overall look at this person later. Most managers tend to look only at the last couple of things that left an impression on them totally disregarding or forgetting all the other things that have happened over the previous months.

It is a good and useful evaluation technique that can really help you get a good overview of each of your employees over a long period of time and can help you pinpoint strong points and "areas of opportunity" when it's evaluation time which will lead to building a stronger team.

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11-13-2003, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by BRISK

Do you manage cam girls?

I've managed models for 25 years and salesmen for 6 years (they are worse they have brains enough t be difficult) does that qualify?

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11-13-2003, 07:59 AM

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Yes they are supposed to and do. That's why I was surprised to see this happen. First time I've seen a girl doing a burn out scene during a show. All the customers saw it going on and commented too, which got her even more flip with them.

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11-13-2003, 08:02 AM

Some of the replies here will get you in jail and some will lose you the respect of the rest of the girls. Fear never worked as much as loyalty and it is possible to generate it even in Cam girls, hard but not impossible.

Throwing someone out means you have failed as a manager, you failed at the interview, training or in the day to day work. You are management you get paid to solve these problems. Or did you think running a live cam site was just putting up a camera and turning on the computer. It's all about how you get the best from the girls and hiring and firing them constantly only reveals weak management.

Also giving them a cut of the profits will never work, they are already on a percentage of the money they bring in.

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11-13-2003, 08:20 AM

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Paying customers or free customers?

my assumption it the freeloaders that hang in the chatrooms.. the ones you are suposed to talk into a show..but never can..cause the ones that want to pay..just go in and pay and do their thing then leave..

charly, your comment about models having enough brains to be difficult..deserves a good ol from me....

we all have brains..some just exert the brain power a little more than others..
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11-13-2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday

my assumption it the freeloaders that hang in the chatrooms.. the ones you are suposed to talk into a show..but never can..cause the ones that want to pay..just go in and pay and do their thing then leave..

charly, your comment about models having enough brains to be difficult..deserves a good ol from me....

we all have brains..some just exert the brain power a little more than others..

I don't know what site he's talking about so maybe there are less girls available, but on any big site I'd let the girl be. The jackass freeloaders are going to sit their doing their BS regardless and no matter how nice they think they are they are still dicks. Like you said if someone is going to pay for a show with that girl they will just do it. They would also be the ones asking her what was up and just talking for 20 minutes to forever.

The whole thing about camsites KRL is they have something for everyone. I'd much rather talk to a bitch person than the girl that's following orders like a little puppy. If all the girls were perky little teenie-bopper types they would make less money overall.

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11-13-2003, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by KRL
From experience I know doing live cam shows is the most draining thing you can do in this biz.

Wow, never knew that. Shoot me a link- I'd like to check you out. I'm a good customer.

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