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  • Rictor
    Old Timer
    • Jan 2001
    • 12208

    #1

    If a company outsources content production...

    Shouldn't they still be held accountable when the person they outsource to fails to deliver?

    Early this year, I posted on GFY looking for exclusive content providers. Some one from this board contacted me, saying his company could provide want I wanted for $800 per video. I ordered an initial 6 videos to test the waters. I paid the first half in advance. After several months delay, I received the first few videos and was asked for the second half of the payment for production of the rest of the videos to begin. Now, I should have broken the contract then and forgot about the other 3 videos since the first 3 were so late, but I feel it's important to honor contracts. So, I went ahead and paid for the next 3 videos. Months later, I received 2 of them. The third one, almost a year later, I have never received.

    It turns out these videos were outsourced by the company that contacted me and that the person they outsourced them to disappered with a lot of their money, basically forcing them out of business. They seem to think the responsibility to reimburse me for the final video lies with ther person they outsourced the work to. I think it lies with the company that contacted me about the work in the first place.

    What do you guys think?

    I swear, I rarely have good experiences buying exclusive content. I have plenty of repeat business for you if you can just:

    A. Deliver my content
    B. Deliver my content on time
    C. Deliver my content in the format I have paid for (If I pay for the originals, please send me the originals. If I pay extra for editing, actually edit the things.)
    D. Provide me with the proper model docs
  • Stud Money
    So Fucking Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 3214

    #2
    Yes.

    You were THEIR client, the fact that THEIR supplier screwed them over isnt your problem.

    You paid for something so you should have it delivered

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    • Zappu
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2002
      • 1556

      #3
      Rick,
      you probably do next time a contract with a more professional company. That's the reason why we do not pay any longer in advance. If somebody will sell something, he/she should send it to us and we will review it. If it's ok, we will pay if not we will send the stuff back or to the trah can.

      Ok, that's a little bit different to custom orders, but if the stuff is not ok, we will reduce the amount or get something extra next time. That will usually work and if not, we never do any bizz with this producer in the future, what will hurt them a little bit more
      Zappu (ICQ: 23141467)
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      • AaronM
        GFY Royality ;)
        • Oct 2001
        • 46917

        #4
        Originally posted by Zappu
        Rick,
        you probably do next time a contract with a more professional company. That's the reason why we do not pay any longer in advance. If somebody will sell something, he/she should send it to us and we will review it. If it's ok, we will pay if not we will send the stuff back or to the trah can.
        HA! Hell fucking no!

        I get paid 100% upfront or I do not even make a call to a single model. Been burned a little in the past and won't EVER let that shit happen again.

        Sorry you got screwed Rictor. To answer your question...Yes, the company who took your money is responsible. If they entrusted the work to another party and they fucked up....That is not your problem.

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        • toddler
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2002
          • 1911

          #5
          Yup, on company A. You had no deal with
          company B, company A did. Company A owes you your cash back or a product that fits your criteria. Content sounds to be moot at this point, so they owe you the $$.
          http://www.flickr.com/photos/zoddler/

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          • Peter Romero
            Long time no happy ending
            • Feb 2003
            • 10604

            #6
            What do you need? I'll make it cheaper, better & faster than anyone else.


            [email protected]

            See them all here: https://www.Petergirls.com

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            • Mutt
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Sep 2002
              • 34431

              #7
              hahahaha - u get what u pay for.
              I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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              • Mikey_219Inc
                Confirmed User
                • Jun 2003
                • 1876

                #8
                #1 - guy you contacted is responsible, he took the job.
                #2 - if you want custom stuff be ready to pay through the nose if you want quality - unless this was like softcore pics, 800/scene is damn cheap.
                Let him who hath understanding reckon the WISDOM of the TOOF!

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                • Trax
                  [----------------------]
                  • Aug 2001
                  • 14486

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mutt
                  hahahaha - u get what u pay for.
                  he is not wrong for sure

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                  • reynold
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 51271

                    #10
                    You can really fuck them up if they are based in Southeast Asia. Hardcore porn production is against the law there (Viet, Thai, Phil, Singapore, Indo, Malay). Not a good idea to outsource there. Try Japan.

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                    • Mutt
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 34431

                      #11
                      somebody who runs Asian movie sites told me that hardcore is illegal in Japan which is why you see the 'masked' Japanese AV movies with the genitals masked by pixel mosaic. The uncensored movies are illegal there.
                      I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                      • Rictor
                        Old Timer
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 12208

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Mutt
                        somebody who runs Asian movie sites told me that hardcore is illegal in Japan which is why you see the 'masked' Japanese AV movies with the genitals masked by pixel mosaic. The uncensored movies are illegal there.
                        It used to be.

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                        • Rictor
                          Old Timer
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 12208

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mutt
                          hahahaha - u get what u pay for.
                          I paid the same price I paid for videos from you so what are you saying?

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                          • Doctor Dre
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jan 2001
                            • 51692

                            #14
                            This situation happened to me last week with Hardcore J ...

                            He sent me money for bizz cards . I knew a printer in tampa that could give me good reseller prices and he live near this place so I said why not . The guy looked reputable and everything ;)

                            Anyways shit happen, the order got lost from them and there was an error .

                            I refound Hardcore J AND he will get the cards .

                            People in adult dont know SHIT about customer service . If you cannot offer a service right, then payup for it .

                            And at LEAST give them what they deserve . Thats the LEAST you can do .
                            Originally posted by rayadp05
                            I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                            • Doctor Dre
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 51692

                              #15
                              Anyways bottom of the line is that they should give you a full refound for your video + a partial refound for the time taken for the other videos .

                              Or you should just expose their sorry ass
                              Originally posted by rayadp05
                              I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?

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                              • Paul Waters
                                Confirmed User
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 4402

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Rictor

                                A. Deliver my content
                                B. Deliver my content on time
                                C. Deliver my content in the format I have paid for (If I pay for the originals, please send me the originals. If I pay extra for editing, actually edit the things.)
                                D. Provide me with the proper model docs
                                You are being perfectly reasonable, with one possible exception. If you want a specific model, no exclusive content provider should guarantee a delivery date. Shit happens. She flakes out, gets a rash. Whatever.

                                I ask for a deposit from new clients equal to the model fees, payable by the day of the shoot. If the shoot does not happen, the deposit is returned, if desired.

                                When the shoot is complete, I am in a position to guarantee a delivery time.


                                Paul

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                                • JohnW
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 642

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by AaronM
                                  HA! Hell fucking no!

                                  I get paid 100% upfront or I do not even make a call to a single model. Been burned a little in the past and won't EVER let that shit happen again.

                                  Sorry you got screwed Rictor. To answer your question...Yes, the company who took your money is responsible. If they entrusted the work to another party and they fucked up....That is not your problem.
                                  Totally agree with you Aaron..although we do 50% deposit to cover our cost of production and the remaining 50% upon completion/delivery. They don't pay the remaining 50%, they don't get the content. We can always sell it, build a site, etc and recoup the costs.
                                  And Rictor, I concur with Aaron on what he said, the company is responsible...at the very least, they should outsource the work to another compnay if they can't do it themselves.

                                  J.

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