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10-06-2003, 09:33 PM

Ok I need a processor, and the choice is between these three. I used Jettis before, and they were good, but what are your opinions on which is better in regards to Scrubbing and Rebills.

I know Epoch processes for CECash which has been a death sentence for a few other processors (correct me if I am wrong).

I also know Affiliates seem to love CCbill, but they scrub really hard.

So any suggestions ?

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10-06-2003, 09:34 PM

CEcash uses jettis
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10-06-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by GrimShawn
CEcash uses jettis

Didn't they use Epoch ?
I must have got my wires terribly crossed. thanks for that.

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10-06-2003, 09:36 PM

Affiliates love CCbill

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10-06-2003, 09:41 PM

All good processors but why pay 15%?

We use Netbilling as a primary for credit cards and checks and CCbill as backup and dialer. We would not have it any other way at this point.

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10-06-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Zprogramz
All good processors but why pay 15%?

Existing fraudulent card databases
24/7 customer billing support
Easier cross-selling
Affiliates seem to trust checks coming directly from 3rd party processors more than they do an in-house merchant account

You've got a point though, having your own merchant account is cheaper. But the 3rd party guys do offer quite a bit and make it a little easier.
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10-06-2003, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Zprogramz
All good processors but why pay 15%?

We use Netbilling as a primary for credit cards and checks and CCbill as backup and dialer. We would not have it any other way at this point.

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Talked to netbilling about merchant account for anyone who is not US incorperated with SS and US Principal and you can do it just fine as long you as process a MINIMUM of $75,000 US a month God damn!

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10-06-2003, 10:35 PM

$75k min? Thats a little high

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10-06-2003, 11:06 PM

I think you'll find that most people here would give either Epoch or CCBill some major

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10-06-2003, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Carrie

Existing fraudulent card databases
24/7 customer billing support
Easier cross-selling
Affiliates seem to trust checks coming directly from 3rd party processors more than they do an in-house merchant account

You've got a point though, having your own merchant account is cheaper. But the 3rd party guys do offer quite a bit and make it a little easier.

Netbilling handles all of our fraud scrubbing, customer services 24/7 and has easy cross-sells too. Most established programs cut their own checks anyway, right? Our conversions are up about 15% since using them.

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10-07-2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by Zprogramz

Netbilling handles all of our fraud scrubbing, customer services 24/7 and has easy cross-sells too. Most established programs cut their own checks anyway, right? Our conversions are up about 15% since using them.

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10-07-2003, 11:28 AM

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10-07-2003, 11:34 AM

thats funny mitch

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10-07-2003, 11:51 AM

I am not sure what the rules are here...so scream at me if I am in violation...seriously, do. PaySystems provides check processing for adult sites at 5-6%...no minimum, no maximum. Obviously, that leaves you to find a CC processor but it still gives you an opportunity to take advantage of low rates in at least one place.

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10-07-2003, 11:54 AM

While I was with CCBill I was more than happy with the customer service they provided for me, my affiliates, and my subscribers. Thus it was especially dissappointing when they unilaterally closed my account and withheld funds.

If your site is mainstream I would still recommend them.

I've since switched to Epoch and have, thus far, found their support to be on par with the best of CCBill's.
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10-07-2003, 12:08 PM

Netbilling & CCbill as a backup.
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10-07-2003, 12:08 PM

DolcetCheff, why has ccbill closed your account? Would be interested to know.
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10-07-2003, 02:04 PM

I'm not here to do a sales pitch. Sponsored Merchants out there can tell you anything you need to know about what IPSP works for them and which ones don't. It's better to hear from your peers regarding the pro's an con's of different processors anyway.

If you have any specific needs or questions, feel free to drop me an email or write to [email protected].

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10-07-2003, 02:05 PM

I like em all
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10-07-2003, 02:06 PM

Just thought I'd get my plug in for ACHbill - see the banner on top and see the big fellas that use us for their check processing!
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10-07-2003, 02:07 PM

i would go with JesusBill
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10-07-2003, 02:54 PM

see my sig...probilling is great

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10-07-2003, 04:25 PM

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DolcetCheff, why has ccbill closed your account? Would be interested to know.

That's why: http://gourmetgirlsmag.com/
Check out what the site is all about and to what sites it links...

Personally I'm not a friend of censorship (in most cases), but I can understand if a company like CCBill doesn't want to process a site like that one. (don't want to say it's right or wrong. I'm just saying that I understand it)
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10-11-2003, 01:48 PM

sorry, I don't understand why ccbill closed the account for the site, it looks like a normal fetisch site to me, unless I am missing something.
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10-11-2003, 01:51 PM

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sorry, I don't understand why ccbill closed the account for the site, it looks like a normal fetisch site to me, unless I am missing something.

"This site is a spoof of how women are displayed as meat in the media, taken to a satirical extreme.
This is not for everyone (and it's SATIRE - as in ironic humour. Don't run out and eat anyone, male or female, k?). If you are sensitive to such depictions or harbour any ill will towards the tasty gender, please leave this site. If you're a mature adult and can play safe, welcome! "

im not sure what the big deal about the site is either.

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10-11-2003, 01:54 PM

so, what's the problem with this site? I can't believe that the site content was the reason for ccbill to close the account, that does not make any sense to me
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10-11-2003, 02:01 PM

interesting site, can't see much tho on the free side. guess there are some depictions inside that are more explicit and suggestive of cannibalism.

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10-11-2003, 02:46 PM

i would have to go with epoch. they are 10 times better then any other in my opinion. the reason affiliates like ccbill better is because they can check their stats directly at ccbill so less chance of being shaved. all processor do the exact same thing (process credit cards) i don't belive 1 is better then another. but epoch has not been down for more then 10 minutes in the last 6 months of me using them, everything is alwayse working 100% there is none better.
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10-11-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by gooddomains
so, what's the problem with this site? I can't believe that the site content was the reason for ccbill to close the account, that does not make any sense to me

dig a bit deeper there and look into the forum. It´s a site

for people who´s fantasy is it to actually eat someone else.

I wouldn´t even think about touching that shit as a biller.

There was just a case in germany where two sick guys arranged

a date on the internet.

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10-11-2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Rand
I'm not here to do a sales pitch. Sponsored Merchants out there can tell you anything you need to know about what IPSP works for them and which ones don't. It's better to hear from your peers regarding the pro's an con's of different processors anyway.

If you have any specific needs or questions, feel free to drop me an email or write to [email protected].

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I think you should take a look at that site posted here. They seem

to bill with you guys now.

There are people seeking for body parts on that site and

stories about cooking people.

Quotes:

"I am looking for a foot from a female to eat. Email me if you know how I can obtain one. It must be from a female no older than 35."

"'I'm being eaten, digested and eaten alive from both the
inside and outside by both of them at the same time.'
There wasn't really any pain, just a strange feeling and
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continued to consume her. She idly wondered how long it
might take before there wasn't enough of her to be alive.
The pleasure continued and was now coming in waves all over
her body. Orgasm after orgasm cascaded across her
consciousness as she was being consumed from within and
without.
Her last coherent thought before the pleasure took her
to utter ecstasy was 'I wonder if they'll eat my bones too?'
It took them four hours to eat her. She was alive most of that
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their meal. One should always show manners to ones dinner guests.
They did eat her bones. Dissolving the bones and marrow
were like after dinner mints for them. ;) "

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10-15-2003, 09:05 AM

Someone from this thread took the time to drop me an email and inform me of the site in question, noted in this thread. Immediately, our compliance department went in to look at the site and indeed found unacceptable content within their website. We have ceased processing for this site effective immediately including recurring billing.

Epoch processes transactions for tens of thousands of websites. Our compliance department has the overwhelming tasks of looking at each one of them every 30 days. Their job is to make sure we do not process for any sites containing unacceptable content. There are Federal laws, Visa and MasterCard rules, and Paycom policy's which address the definition of unacceptable content.

It is to the benefit of everyone using an IPSP to help police the adult space and identify any site which might be selling, displaying, or even linking to illegal content.

I invite anyone who finds any Epoch site processing any questionable material to drop me an email with the URL in question. We take compliance rules very seriously.

For more about Epoch compliance, see http://www.epochsystems.com/compliance/

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11-04-2003, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Sausage
Ok I need a processor, and the choice is between these three. I used Jettis before, and they were good, but what are your opinions on which is better in regards to Scrubbing and Rebills.

I know Epoch processes for CECash which has been a death sentence for a few other processors (correct me if I am wrong).

I also know Affiliates seem to love CCbill, but they scrub really hard.

So any suggestions ?

Maybe a little late answer here from me, but what the heck...

I say that you should not limit yourself to just one processor. The history of this industry clearly shows that you HAVE TO SPREAD YOUR RISK and use multiple processors.

So why not use them all?

The three processors you mentioned are all implemented into MPA2, as well as PSW (one of three standard ones together with Epoch and CCBill - all three of which we will pay the VISA registration fees for), Netbilling using your own merchant account.

So again, dont limit yourself to just one! Be smart!

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11-04-2003, 03:37 PM

been using ccbill forever plus probilling as backup never any issues knock on a woody

On my VHS/DVD site i use netbilling and never had issues

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11-04-2003, 03:40 PM

if you're going with only one processor, things to consider:

ccbill a favorite of affiliates. if you are planning to have an affiliate program, they are the best choice for that. their support is available by phone any time i ever called, and they pay on time. their stats are my favorite of the processors we've used.

epoch's support has been almost magical for us, and their long-term experience with cross sales is really sweet. our rep has been very helpful and we are quite happy with epoch. on the downsite, if you are only going to be using their stats, there's no referring urls or hit stats available - and figuring out stuff is harder than at ccbill.

we never used jettis however we have used sponsors that do. for me, a big downside of jettis is that they require a year commitment and though they say they'll let you go if you really want to leave, you sign a document saying you'll stay. on the other hand, i hear good things about them, the sales rep alysha is so nice, and she really worked hard to get me info. their stats offer more info than epoch.

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11-04-2003, 03:51 PM

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11-04-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Rand
[B] We have ceased processing for this site effective immediately including recurring billing.

And they're back up with paypal lickety split....

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11-04-2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Sausage
Ok I need a processor, and the choice is between these three. I used Jettis before, and they were good, but what are your opinions on which is better in regards to Scrubbing and Rebills.

I know Epoch processes for CECash which has been a death sentence for a few other processors (correct me if I am wrong).

I also know Affiliates seem to love CCbill, but they scrub really hard.

So any suggestions ?

use ccbill, I don't want 254 different checks

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