What Google shake up

None of the sites actually have content. They are virtual link farms, organised so that by linking to each other they can boost all of their PR's and take out good keywords. Than they stick a entry and exit popup, some blind links, redirects and wait for the money to roll in.

the king of the adult SE spammers said recently that if you have a network of sites it's time to start over.

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Originally posted by GonePhishing
As in my last reply, I love anchor text that is relevant and in synch to my keywords and url....

For instance... The guy who is #1 for free porn... His system is that his url is 1freepornfinder. His keywords are free porn and or variations of that phrase. He always asks for a text link that say free porn or #1freepornfinder. In this way he keeps the keywords, the linkback, the anchor text, and the url all in line.

As you asked about being relevant... Yes, being relevant totally helps. If you are a free porn page and other good free porn pages link to you, it means more than a good paysite page linking to your free porn page (again this is theory)
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Why are you trying to compete for 'free porn' ?
Wouldn't it be an idea to find a more productive term(s)?

Troels - I am not trying to get free porn or competing for it. I was using it as an example. I understand that there are much more productive phrashes out there. It was just that his model was one that was easy to use and understand.

That's not scamming

I must have been misquoted ;)

Yeah you're right, it is a totally honest practice.

Eventually one of the sites will get reported as spam and in one fell swoop the entire network of related sites will get a 0 also.

Not if each of them is on a different IP, and atleast makes an attempt to show some relevent content. Anyway, I can think of a few ways to combat that problem if it did arise (kind of like terrorist cells really ;)).

there's a difference between spamming and scamming.

the spammers fill up the serps with their own sites, that's not a real problem especially if they are relevant to the search. if i want to get better rankings than them i need to optimize my sites better.

the scammers take expired domains and use the pr to fill up the serps with non-relevant, usually non-adult keywords and then slap dialers and beasty sites and all kinds of stupid shit on unsuspecting surfers.

i had thought that meta keywords were dead until i started looking for certain non-adult products, and lots of the searches are coming up with keyword stuffed metas that redirect to cj bullshit.

Yes they will trust me. The Google Algorithm is smarter than that they look at the overall linking structure of the sites. If it is too circular they all get canned regardless of IP, domain ownership and so on.

Yeah, but this won't last... Google has been dropping sites that go expired and suddenly pop up a whole different site from a different ip now take a drastic change to grey bar However, it doesn't seem to happen in every instance.

Also if you are in the USA and your jacking mainstream urls and leading people to beast sites or CP sites, they are really coming down it. I think it was a month or two ago that someone was actually jailed for doing this.

Believe me, I don't care if these spammers and scammers get hammeref - I would be happy for the most part. But if the google algorithm can not already catch their very simple scams, I don't see how a much more involved one (one which I have already developed in my head and would be relatively easy to put in to practice) is going to be caught too soon.

And anyway, a good SE spammer is making a few thousand dollars a day atleast, and I am sure if (after 3 weeks) google pulls them down it won't take them long to start submitting their backup network to google and have it listed. I accept that google has to do something, and hopefully this is a move in the right direction. But I am sure that any descent SE spammer will outsmart it with out too much trouble.

It just seems easier to work on a clean and simple model that works it's way up. Spamming and scamming probably take more time than doing it the old fashioned way. Also, the longevity of your listing is nice. You don't have to worry as much about seeing a network of spam/scam suddenly disappear.

Don?t underestimate the amount of time it takes to build up an entire network of sites.

It takes weeks of hard work to organise it all, but I am sure those who are confident they are going to earn thousands of dollars daily for it will still continue on their way. Anyway, I guess time will tell.

I can generate thousands of keyword-specific pages that return relevant third party links in about 60 seconds. Within a few minutes it's uploaded and once google indexes them most of the keywords will be first page. It really doesn't take time if you develop smart software.

I would think they'll add something to combat third party cloaking scripts and the like. Nonsense text with keywords mixed in can't be too hard to detect, and all they have to do to see if it's cloaking is use a different IP to spider with a common user-agent.

I'm hoping my pages will be OK.

If your system does that cleanly, then it's not spam or scam, so it's like you said... It's smart software. That's kinda what I mean...

Please send me a copy of your software

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GETTING INTO THE FIRST PAGES OF GOOGLES SERPS IS NOT FUCKN ROCKET SCIENCE

You blokes that reckon its all top secret and requires shitloads of tech knowhow and inside knowledge are full of yourself.
I know fuck all about computers,made my sites with dreamweaver3 on a discarded pc with windows 95 and I have been sitting in google's 1-10 results for months on
VERY COMPETITIVE TERMS.It can't be that hard!
You need text on your sites but then again you can even get away with out much of that,you need links coming in but then again if you build on a expired domain you dont even need that.

In fact the only thing you need is a link to a sponsor!

google traffic rocks, I only seem to get very little of it (lik 20 hits a day to freesites)

google traffic might rock but it don't swing.msn traffic sucks bit its conversion rate pumps.

Ouch man... I was just trying to answer what I thought was a good question. Hahaha, I thought everyone that posted on this thread had something simple and useful to say. Anyway, I am glad you are doing well with your google hunting!

Sorry Gonephishing I in no way meant to include you or others in the thread that were making helpful suggestions.It was meant for 1 or 2 who were implying that they should get paid 1000's of dollars to get our sites in googles' serps with all their so called secret knowledge.
Theres a lot of newbies getting intimidated about trying to make money with search engines.They are being told its a secret sauce to make it in google.
All you need for a site to succeed is keywords,text and links."Build it and they will come"

Who knows