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at 40% your going to have a hard time when CamContacts, homesex/tricams and ifriends give 50% and imlive gives 40% plus $10/$15/$20/$30 happy hours.
Plus as a startup, with nobody online now, you're going to have to offer some incentives to get girls on there. 40% isnt a good place to begin. You should probably start at 60%, build a solid base then scale back.
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Actually, so of the girls we do have on have reported they are making more at 40% then they were on some of the ones you have listed.
We may be a start-up but are sending alot of highly qualified purchased traffic, so the free/private ratio is fairly high...
Plus, we have a few incentives planned for the near future!
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Wouldn't you have to consider the amount of girls though. Ifriends is a sea of women and lets face it a lot of that traffic is just looking for the free shows. If he sends quality traffic and there isn't so many girls that its hard to get shows I am sure his business model has a chance.Originally posted by bugout
at 40% your going to have a hard time when CamContacts, homesex/tricams and ifriends give 50% and imlive gives 40% plus $10/$15/$20/$30 happy hours.
Plus as a startup, with nobody online now, you're going to have to offer some incentives to get girls on there. 40% isnt a good place to begin. You should probably start at 60%, build a solid base then scale back.
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anyone paying 50-60% is obviously charging the customers out the ass, no way to charge $1.99 to $4.99 and live off that for anyone.
Lets do the math:
40% to performers
20% to webmasters
15-18% to billing/fraud prevention/scrubbing
5-10% for hosting
5-10% for traffic
Leaves the site owner with a whole 2% to 15%, hardly sounds worth it.
The key is to make more quality sales then quanity of sales, a regular buying time is better then 5 surfers wandering in and buying time.THIS FORUM SUCKS - RUDE ASS IDIOTS!!!Comment
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Originally posted by Furious_Male
Wouldn't you have to consider the amount of girls though. Ifriends is a sea of women and lets face it a lot of that traffic is just looking for the free shows. If he sends quality traffic and there isn't so many girls that its hard to get shows I am sure his business model has a chance.
Exactly, if you got 5 girls pay them less per minute say 30% or so, but if you got 1200+ girls and 1 mil hits a day then why not give away 60%, because your getting a whole lot of little dollars that make up to be a huge cash pile
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Check your ICQ bro.Originally posted by Wizzo
Hit me up... ICQ117009101
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Originally posted by AaronM
Check your ICQ bro.
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Originally posted by bugout
at 40% your going to have a hard time when CamContacts, homesex/tricams and ifriends give 50% and imlive gives 40% plus $10/$15/$20/$30 happy hours.
Also, another advange to our site is we offer "VIP shows" rather than "1on1" which means the girls can have multiple surfers in a private show...
The record so far is 5, which makes it much more profitable!
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We offer both.Originally posted by Wizzo
Also, another advange to our site is we offer "VIP shows" rather than "1on1" which means the girls can have multiple surfers in a private show...
The record so far is 5, which makes it much more profitable!
As do most serious live sites.LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999
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See sig. DXlive, part of DTI cash, full of japanese girls, is giving out 60% plus 10 free minutes, $75 for new affiliates!
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Ifriends pays 50%Originally posted by BrentD
40% to performers
20% to webmasters
15-18% to billing/fraud prevention/scrubbing
5-10% for hosting
5-10% for traffic
Webmasters make flat fees
they bill for themselves so no 15% bs
Hosting is cheap ass dirt
They don't buy traffic
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If you are paying 30% to the girls, and 60% to affiliates, at least 3% processing. How can you afford to give out cash bonuses to both girls and webmasters and cover any expenses from just 7% of site revenue?Originally posted by hyatla
See sig. DXlive, part of DTI cash, full of japanese girls, is giving out 60% plus 10 free minutes, $75 for new affiliates!
Just curious?
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Hey there I have a few questions for ya if you don't mind me asking.
How often and what pay method is your payout? I didn't see that any where on your model page. (I could have overlooked it)
Also, is the format set up so that it is basically a "free" chat with vid and then up to the preformer to talk the person into private?
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It should be on there, we pay by check on the 1st and the 15th, If you earn more than $2000 in a pay period we can send a wire.Originally posted by daisy diaz
Hey there I have a few questions for ya if you don't mind me asking.
How often and what pay method is your payout? I didn't see that any where on your model page. (I could have overlooked it)
Also, is the format set up so that it is basically a "free" chat with vid and then up to the preformer to talk the person into private?
Darn I know I had one more...and it just escaped me ,LOL
That's the basic format, except we do require a valid email to activate a free account, and in the chat software, when a surfer is in your room we let you know if they have money in their account and if they have ever gone private before, so you can focus on the guys that spend money.
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% payout to models is pretty pointless thing to compare.
More important to the equasion is
ammount of $ spent by cutomers divided by number of girls online
Just like in the traffic biz at the end of the day compare the paycheck you put in the bank if it is more than the next company then who cares what the % says, BIGGEST CHECK WINS !
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Originally posted by LegendaryLars
Welcome aboard the getting more crowded every day live cam
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Thanks, BTW nice job with adding CE to your portfolio....
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Thanks Wizzo for your answers.
I agree with Lars on that..if you get a $1000 in 2 days at one place and a $1000 in 2 weeks from another site with a bigger payout percentage....I would go with less work and more money.
I could go on and on about the cam industry and why I think everyone is missing the ticket on it..(from a camgirls perspective that is)..but that would only be my
If you don't mind I might hit you up on ICQ to ask you a few other questions about the site.
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Sure hit me up and I'll even listen to your ideas as well....
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Well.. I'll try to sum it up how I think it is..
I dont think the free to private is the way to go. I tried it, and it just doesn't work for what we do and what we have.
The biggest money maker in the live cam biz is the lonely guy looking for a dream girl. If you have hot girls with a great personality your going to make a mint on the pay-to-see sights.
You're not going to develop "boyfriends" with the free to private scenario. They only pay when they want to see the pussy.
Not so good looking girls that can't talk the talk, but get freaky with the toys will do good on the free to private sites.
I've used them all, and to this day, we still do the best on ifriends and have have a bunch in the top 20 on imlive. WIth ifriends you have to do the muliple name/PC deal for more exposure, but the girls average about 2-3k a week. About 4 times what they did on any other site. 80% of the pay time is chatting.
Just my
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We will have something very soon to help those girls that have alot of longterm regulars, but I also think there's still money to be made with free to private as well, because there's alot more guys wanting to just see pussy then are looking to find a "girlfriend" online....Originally posted by bugout
Well.. I'll try to sum it up how I think it is..
I dont think the free to private is the way to go. I tried it, and it just doesn't work for what we do and what we have.
The biggest money maker in the live cam biz is the lonely guy looking for a dream girl. If you have hot girls with a great personality your going to make a mint on the pay-to-see sights.
You're not going to develop "boyfriends" with the free to private scenario. They only pay when they want to see the pussy.
Not so good looking girls that can't talk the talk, but get freaky with the toys will do good on the free to private sites.
I've used them all, and to this day, we still do the best on ifriends and have have a bunch in the top 20 on imlive. WIth ifriends you have to do the muliple name/PC deal for more exposure, but the girls average about 2-3k a week. About 4 times what they did on any other site. 80% of the pay time is chatting.
Just my
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Thanks for the hook up Wizzo!
You have been so helpful with your site..which really makes a difference. LOL especially to a "closest blonde" like me
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No problem, just let me know if need anything else...Originally posted by daisy diaz
Thanks for the hook up Wizzo!
You have been so helpful with your site..which really makes a difference. LOL especially to a "closest blonde" like me
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interesting thread ......... what is the difference between the 'boyfriend' type and the guy who just wants to see pussy? I know situations where these 'boyfriend' types have spent HUNDREDS of thousands on their cyber girlfriend. Wouldn't these be the types cam sites would try to cater to most?
aren't most if not all these sites set up the same way with a free chat where freeloaders hang out with the chick until some lose.....um........customer decides to take her private? I've never seen a site set up differently - IFriends, LoveSexxxy, Peekshows, etc
IFriends is amazing - Al is the true genius of this industry - the innovator - also he's got to make so much more money than the other sites where u have to keep buying more time with your credit card - from the beginning on IFriends you gave them your cc card info once when signing up for 'free' - then it's pure impulse buying, just keep racking up charges on the card.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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Our system works in a similar fashion, with oneclick upsales after their 1st purchase....Originally posted by Mutt
from the beginning on IFriends you gave them your cc card info once when signing up for 'free' - then it's pure impulse buying, just keep racking up charges on the card.
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How?s the quality of the stream??-ICQ# 119419008
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The alternative are 'LifeCam' sites like mineOriginally posted by Mutt
aren't most if not all these sites set up the same way with a free chat where freeloaders hang out with the chick until some lose.....um........customer decides to take her private? I've never seen a site set up differently - IFriends, LoveSexxxy, Peekshows, etc
pay-per-minute 'insertions-on-demand'
vs pay-per-month 24/7 voyeurism
"show-me-the-pussy-now-bitch" guys
vs guys wanting something more personal
('boyfriends', as this thread defines them)
This is really a niche discussion. The term 'Fetish' doesn't mean much until it is further defined. Same for 'Live Webcams'.
Both types of people are using the same terms to search, so if you are a webmaster with that sort of traffic, and you want to squeeze the most $$$ out of your surfers, you really ought to look into also offering 'LifeCam' links too.
. . not to replace your current iFriends revenue, but to take advantage of this other type of potential subscriber, that you probably didn't even know you have.
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Wizzo..the webmaster link on your page is going to a 404 when I click it.Comment
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now this is pimp shit
www.commchat.com/members.php
just enter a username and click user and view commchat now thats how streaming audio/video should be
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the only sure is that the average camgirl makes more money than the average webmaster.Comment
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Originally posted by bugout
at 40% your going to have a hard time when CamContacts, homesex/tricams and ifriends give 50% and imlive gives 40% plus $10/$15/$20/$30 happy hours.
Plus as a startup, with nobody online now, you're going to have to offer some incentives to get girls on there. 40% isnt a good place to begin. You should probably start at 60%, build a solid base then scale back.
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We will be launching the Webmaster program very soon, just need to get the number of models up so webmasters won't be wasting their traffic...Originally posted by sarah_webinc
Wizzo..the webmaster link on your page is going to a 404 when I click it.Looking for Opportunity!Comment
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Just signup free, go chat with the girls, and check it out.... No creditcard Needed...Originally posted by Tylo
How?s the quality of the stream??
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Hey Wizzo I went and checked it out.. I wish people would listen to me when I tell them that Java isn?t the way to go anymore.. + the fact that this isn?t streaming audio/video so technically the A people have no rule over this... its a .jpg push system that worked well back in the day but now with all the new technology its out dated and will be replaced soon..Originally posted by Wizzo
Just signup free, go chat with the girls, and check it out.... No creditcard Needed...
Note that im not trying to bash your site or anyone else?s using this. It?s just that using something that actually streams will hold retention and keep the surfer at your site..
The solution to this is in my opinion www.commchat.com-ICQ# 119419008Comment
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Originally posted by DrGuile
We offer both.
As do most serious live sites.
Yes but your $5000 setup fee is steep
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Originally posted by Mutt
from the beginning on IFriends you gave them your cc card info once when signing up for 'free' - then it's pure impulse buying, just keep racking up charges on the card.
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You know, I don't really mind the fact that you used wizzo's thread to SPAM your software.Originally posted by Tylo
Hey Wizzo I went and checked it out.. I wish people would listen to me when I tell them that Java isn?t the way to go anymore.. + the fact that this isn?t streaming audio/video so technically the A people have no rule over this... its a .jpg push system that worked well back in the day but now with all the new technology its out dated and will be replaced soon..
Note that im not trying to bash your site or anyone else?s using this. It?s just that using something that actually streams will hold retention and keep the surfer at your site..
The solution to this is in my opinion www.commchat.com
But if you really think a surfer with his dick in his hand jerking off to a feed really cares what the tech behind it is, your crazy.Comment
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Originally posted by Tylo
Hey Wizzo I went and checked it out.. I wish people would listen to me when I tell them that Java isn?t the way to go anymore.. + the fact that this isn?t streaming audio/video so technically the A people have no rule over this... its a .jpg push system that worked well back in the day but now with all the new technology its out dated and will be replaced soon..
Note that im not trying to bash your site or anyone else?s using this. It?s just that using something that actually streams will hold retention and keep the surfer at your site..
The solution to this is in my opinion www.commchat.com
The quality of commchat doesn't compare with java though, I seen commchat used on netpond's radio show last week, seemed to have it problems and video was very nasty looking and the audio cuts in and out with just 15-20 viewers. I still beleive java is the best solution right now.THIS FORUM SUCKS - RUDE ASS IDIOTS!!!Comment
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Mike I didn?t mean to spam Wizzo's thread I met Wizzo a few years ago and I consider him a friend.. As far as surfers not caring what you use on the backed I?m sure they don?t care but as an adult webmaster we should. Right now choppy video might work but as technology grows and things change it will not be viable for someone to run java. I?m sorry that you?re so close minded about this you seem to be a very smart person when I met you.Originally posted by Mike69
You know, I don't really mind the fact that you used wizzo's thread to SPAM your software.
But if you really think a surfer with his dick in his hand jerking off to a feed really cares what the tech behind it is, you?re crazy.
And Brent the netpond show was a last min integration we only had an hour to change it from the old system to the new one and with everything new you will have a few bugs to work out but we feel that we have fixed these problemsOriginally posted by BrentD
The quality of commchat doesn't compare with java though, I seen commchat used on netpond's radio show last week, seemed to have it problems and video was very nasty looking and the audio cuts in and out with just 15-20 viewers. I still believe java is the best solution right now.-ICQ# 119419008Comment
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i can be a camguy. I have a penis that actually retracts into my buttocks when erect. will this be of use?
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Im not close minded, but with a shit load of surfers still on dail up, stuffing video and audio down a 56k pipe is a little tough withoutOriginally posted by Tylo
Mike I didn?t mean to spam Wizzo's thread I met Wizzo a few years ago and I consider him a friend.. As far as surfers not caring what you use on the backed I?m sure they don?t care but as an adult webmaster we should. Right now choppy video might work but as technology grows and things change it will not be viable for someone to run java. I?m sorry that you?re so close minded about this you seem to be a very smart person when I met you.
buffering.... buffering is fine for prerecorded, but when the guy asks "is this live, wave at me" and it takes 30-40 seconds to show up........
I agree, as tech changes and broadband become more the norm things will change, but for now it does not really what you use cause on 56k its gonna be choppy.....
Show me software that will stuff Video and Audio down a 56K without buffering and is no more than 2-3 seconds behind live
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No one word about us in this thread
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As a chathost, signup with TriCams/HSN at 35% and iFriends (or some other) at 50% and see where you make more.
Chathosts make more if the site owners handle the amount of girls online and brings in good/quality traffic.
As a webmaster, signup with TriCams/HSN or any other and see where you make more.
Webmasters make more if the chathosts are screened and know how to make the user happy so they will come back and spend more money. That way, either the flat payouts go up or the revshare payout is higher.
There is quite a difference in the various camsites and you can't say shit by looking at the percentages alone.go sig yourselfComment
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Interesting dialogue here, nice to see so many new players in the live cam market. I'll be launching a mainstream webcam/chat site in a week in hopes of creating a lot of free users and then upsell them with adult cam site affiliate links. Can someone clear up for me if tricams and hsn are still connected. I was always told that tricams supplied the network and hsn was simply a separate marketing entity via ars. However I'm not sure thats the case still.
I move a large amount of cam traffic and was pumping most of it to tricams until 3 weeks ago when they suddenly changed all their splash pages with no notice to their webmasters ( my gay cam traffic suddenly was going to an all female splash page). Tricams now seems to promote a backend network called streamate(streamate.com), which leads me to believe they are no longer working with hsn/ars. I've moved most of my traffic to hsn and have been thrilled with the increase $/unique.
From a webmaster perspective I'd love to promote a % private upsell site, but have never been able to find one that can match the $/unique return I get from the tricam/hsn/ifriends type program. I'm a stat freak and do tons of comparisons, I'll send 50k of high quality cam traffic to an upsell program and then 50k from the same sources to a free sign up program like tricams and my $/unique will be 10-50 times higher. I understand the potential long term benefits of an upsell program because of the recurring income, but its never been enough to even come close to making up the difference. I'm not bashing those of you with upsell % programs, I guess i'm just curious from a webmaster perspective why we should promote your programs?"WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
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Even though we haven't launched our Webmaster program yet, mainly because we want to be able to get a better understanding of what we can afford to honestly payout, rather than pull some big numbers out of the air, and then have to rip people off or shave in order to live up to the payouts...Originally posted by lazycash
I guess i'm just curious from a webmaster perspective why we should promote your programs?
So the 1st reason would be that we will have honest payouts and won't shave or rip you off.
The 2nd reason is that our system works a little different than most sites like us. Once a surfer put money in, all they have to do to add more money is simply click a button, they don't have to re-enter all their CCinfo, etc.... it's just automatic. Which will increase the amount impulse money they are likely to spend. Similar to the system some of the sites you mentioned use...
Then the 3rd reason is something that I must keep under wraps until we launch it, but I assure you that it will give you a big advantage in promoting us over the other sites out there...Looking for Opportunity!Comment
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