Acacia/Hustler deal - educate me

Guess you can say that without his efforts you probably wouldn't be in porn able to make a living? He did alot prior to help this industry, not saying someone else hasn't done anything or wouldn't have stepped up but he did.

oh and remember Larry signs the checks.

that's right.. he now signs the checks that help fund acacias fight against all of us

dammit.. what do i have to do to provoke you guys ?

Reuben Sturman did more for the biz than Larry Flynt (he just never got a movie).....too bad hes no longer with us... would love to see him tackle acacia. Bet anything he would never have settled...

Reuben Sturman spent time in jail for having a few thugs blow up a rival's video store.

The gangster pornographer is a negative stereotype of this industry that I for one would not miss.

The stereotype that Larry Flynt is a saviour of our industry and an icon of free speech is far more positive... but let's face the facts... the Larry Flynt most of us know was played by Woody Harrelson (a very likeable actor) with a good script and a talented director.

Everyone I have ever met at Hustler has been great. I like Hustler. I like doing business with Hustler. And the same holds true of Vivid.

I realize everyone has to do what they feel is best for their company first, industry second, and world third. I do not like or agree with their position on Acacia, but I respect their business acumen and who am I to question their success?

Just because the companies that settled cannot be for us, or help us, that still does not mean that they are against us. They will obviously benefit from our defeating Acacia as well.

The crisis with Acacia is sharpening skills, teaching volumes, and building awareness and these are all useful to strengthening our industry.

I may not know exactly what day the trial is going to be, but I know tomorrow means that I am one day closer to it. I am looking forward to that day like an old porn stud looks forward to fresh hot talent...

"What do you mean you never tried anal before...ahhh.. we'll have to fix that..."

hearing that makes me really sad.... i sincerely hope people in other businesses (like healthcare, wastedisposal, etc) does not feel like that..but then again, it seem to be a disease speading in the USA and around the world.. if this is the way even the people fighting feels, then i guess that answers my question..

conclusion: fuck your surroundings, fuck society, fuck your partners, fuck your friends, fuck everybody... anything for an extra few bucks.. thats fine by us, we accept that as the norm..

Unfortunately, the porn biz (or any other biz for that matter) has always been that way.

To believe otherwise is deluding yourself.

i do expect that from most, but i didn't from Larry Flynt. on the net he has (to a large extent) been cashing in on the fact that he is an icon for many of us. unless he takes action to correct this, then an icon has died (for me anyway)

RIP

it's ironic in a differnt way now, isn't it ?
http://www.larryflynt.com/ad_parodie...lay-parody.htm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by allandk
[B]I have been reading the board and wondering something, and I'm hoping someone will take the time to expain this to me.

Hustler makes a deal with Acacia to save themselves a few hundred k each year, and in the process they screws everybody else in this business (that means you). Some say "business is business" and bla bla.. but come on.. You have just been fucked up the ass, and you must feel something hurting somewhere ?
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Let me get this straight.

On one hand, the general assumption is that Hustler settled in order to get a sweet heart deal and that they paid close to nothing just so Acacia could use their name (this is totally false).

On the other hand, Hustler is accused of funding Acacias efforts against this industry. Which is it? You can't have it both ways people......

and how exactly did Hustler save themselves a few hundred k a year by settling with Acacia?

It's amazing that an independent company can't make a business decision based on their own view of the subject, their own circumstances and their own legal advice without being accused of fucking the industry they are in.

It's equally amazing how easily people forget all the good a company has done for them by their past actions all over one legal issue.

The funny thing is that most of the people speaking out on this issue (not including the Homegrown group and a few others) have no clue about the real issues, have not hired an attorney to get educated, etc. Most people are perfectly content to just go along with what is popular and what "feels" good and in many ways have a "mob" mentality.

Last time I checked, we live in America where you can make your own decisions and just because we made a decision that was not a popular one, does NOT mean we are fucking the industry.

What if Larry fought an obscenity case or some other issue next week and won? Would he be a hero again overnight?

Let me ask you a question. Why do you only mention Hustler and Larry Flynt with regard to Acacia. What about the long list of other popular sponsors who have settled, many of which are not willing to speak openly about the subject on GFY?

If it makes you feel better, don't send us traffic and don't drink our free drinks, but in the end, Hustler is not the enemy and over the long run, their presence in this industry will do much more good than harm to the average webmaster.

Larry is looked up to yes. But to place him as some sort of saviour is ridiculous. He did what he did without a thought to anyone else. Then the 'spin' got put on it to make it out he was fighting for everyone. He might have AFTER the fact, but to start out he was only fighting for himself.

Hefner might not have fought it in courtrooms but he WAS the first mainstream mag and that goes alot further than someone that came later. He was-is the true pioneer. Anyone tht has parents that were adults in the 40-50's... try and get them to talk about that era when Playboy first hit the streets. ;-)

How many of you have ever seen the pre-Playboy porn "mags" lol Too funny. We have a few and the couple of times I looked at them I had to laugh. What was then the underground porn market. Even the hardcore of the 60's is-was pretty hilarious. Men are just too easy.

Don't let it bring you down. It is a natural hierarchy in a capitalist society and no different from "family first, friends second, community third".

We are not the Peace Corps or Greenpeace for petessake...

The trick is conducting oneself to live by a standard where being a benefit to one is not at the detriment of another.

It will all shake out in the end.

And get the popcorn because it will be like a sequal to the Leone epic "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemini
[B]Larry is looked up to yes. But to place him as some sort of saviour is ridiculous. He did what he did without a thought to anyone else. Then the 'spin' got put on it to make it out he was fighting for everyone. He might have AFTER the fact, but to start out he was only fighting for himself.

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Gemini,

In general, I agree with your remarks above. My point is that his previous actions have served this industry very well, even if he was originally fighting for his own best interests.

I'm certainly not saying that anyone should look at him as a saviour. But shouldn't everything he's done, good and bad be weighed up before crucifying someone for making one business decision that wasn't popular?

There are lots of things that large adult companies do for the industry that are intangibles or happen behind the scenes so they go unnoticed.

For example.....Hustler contributes large sums of money every year to the Free Speech Coalition. That money ends up helping the entire industry. Larry doesn't expect anyone to thank him for that. He does it because he believes in free speech and his money helps everyone in this industry whether that's his intention or not.

It's just so easy for everyone to focus on the hot controversial issue of the day and forget about the big picture.

I understand all your points, but your last statement deserves the commentary...

Patent abuse cases like Acacia are not the issue of the day, they are the issues of business from this day onward.

Patent abuse cases will run increasingly rampant.. Acacia is just the first to hit the Adult Industry hard... many more will follow...

SightSound just got their chance to go to Summary Judgement after 7 years of battling back and forth with CDNOw/BMG on various motions.... While SightSound's patent includes the purchasing of digital audio/video, it can have an impact on the Adult Industry once they decide how they want to spin their patent.

USA Video has patent claims to downloading video...and like Acacia, it's not limited to just Internet delivery!

Both patent holders lay claim to Video-on-Demand..which If i am correct, is a revenue stream for Hustler.

What good is funding free speech, if you can't excercise your free speech with digital video/audio content on a website? Even churches that have video sermons are in jeopardy!

Acacia's inventor (Yurt) did not create the concept of downloading video from a web server, and neither did USA Video. There is every reason for a large company to fight against these patent claims, because they will be the first targets (being mainstream known and profitable) and are the ones that will pay the higher fees.

So yes, it is an individual business decision on what to do.. what people like me and IMPA are saying is we want to help you protect your business from spending needless amount of money by fighting against these absurd claims.

Fighting against patent abuse helps your own business, and if the outcome of invalidating bad patents helps others, well, that can be chalked up to good will...just like fighting for Hustler's 1st amendment rights, ended up helping all others and all the goodwill that came from that.


Fight the Patent!

a business is an organism. like any organism, it puts its own survival and growth as a first priority above all things. nothing unusual about that. i think you would be really hard pressed to start naming businesses that opted for self destruction for the greater good of society.

communism was a complete failure by the way.

Basically here is the scoop: Acacia can and Hustler can

I know what you're saying Ken... I'm blending in the posters from the investor boards as well. They all sort of look up as Hustler saved THEM. I mean if Larry signed that must BE the final proof the patents stand. lol

They don't have much if any knowledge except preconceived notions from parents or the news. When that info of a signing came out the stock shot up and they had bbs parties patting each other on the back. lmao

Having knowledge that the signing was taking place I had to watch those boards to see the reactions. Sheesh you'd have thought God struck us all down and littered their yards with $100's.

I don't have any judgement then or now how Larry dealt with any of it. Like I said he is his own man and does what he feels best. We were swamped with all the BS surrounding the court battles he was in since he came from our area. Alot of that amounted to he started the battle by ever going to Cincy. But again that was his choice.

Just went thru another round recently over some store he has or is said to have connections with. Having lived in Cincy at the time... not a place to mess with anything related to adult. ;-) Thats begging for them to kick your door in. People go over into Kentucky for the carnal delights. ;-)

LF has made a name thru fights for what he believes to be right, and has built a business on the publicity that followed.

People and independant companies can decide whatever they want in business, but they must realize that other people will react to what they do - specially when they have promoted themselves on their fight against the assholes of this world.

I know there are plenty more companies to mention, but i expected it from them - not from your brand..

And don't worry, I could never dream of comming to a party arranged by the people killed the Larry Flynt icon for me..

Would you like to be my new icon ?

True Colors shining here sad.
With no respect to our founders there will be no respect to the future.
So the end game is basically the majority of you are fucking up the industry. All this shit is starting to piss me off gonna step away from these topics...

is this encrypted ?

I think the interview was a bit lame too - I prefer to read some of the other stuff that LF said...

Yet, it was a kind of a gestura on his part that he spoke to Xbiz... he acknoledges Internet smut as the next frontier and Acacia... he can't beat so he joins them (I seriosly hope he's wrong in his judgement).

I think there is disdain for hustler and ce than some of the other ones that settled because they really undercut the industry. Some of these other ones like platinum, tcg, etc, I think just followed their lead and got in under the radar.

Hustler could have fought this. Theres no doubt in my mind. The have the money and lawyers probably even more slimy than Berman.

Would Acacia wanted to have fought hustler. I say no. Why pick on a big dog when there are so many other medium sized dogs to pick on.

Why hasnt playboy signed?

Maybe they are waiting to see how the rest of the busniess reacts towards hustler and others that have signed... !

Is this post on the Acacia stock board related?

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bb...0497&mid=23944

"They are failing miserably to sign new smut peddlers. The biggest one of all has now joined the fight against them."

if that is true it is going to get interesting ..

Ken,

The entitlement of those in this community is very sad to me. I know waht i just read translated into....

"Larry has much more money than I do and he OWES it to me to pick up the legal tab....since I do not have the means to try and educate myself ....I will damn him for not provinding with even more of a blanket of security he has helped provide for nearly 30 years."

Hustler signed an agreement.....get over it.......put up money to fight the patent....juyst do us all a big favor....

Stop the whining

be part of the solution....stop crying because uncle Larry is not picking up the tab for you.....

If you do not personally know the people....stop assuming you know what the fuck you are talking about..

jimholio: what a load of crap, read it again again if you don't understand what i'm saying

You want a load of crap read your own fucking post

...do you know the Flynt's????

well....DO YOU !!!!!

I sat and had dinner with the family over the weekend did you?????

So before you start acting like some authority on everything with them you better know what the FUCK YOU are talking about....

You said point blank Larry is calling the shots and that you say he knows more than what is he is leading on like there is some motive that is out to fuck you over persoanlly...

Have you ever dealt with them on business level....

do you know the protocol on how people work in that corporate infrastructure...

do you know how many people it takes to keep that place running....

Do you know where the digital arm of the company is located???

From somebody who does know them and has done a great deal of business with them I am telling you the only load of crap is what is running out of your mouth.

How convienient for you to cast stones at Flynt since you do not know the Flynts....... and I am sure they sure as fuck do not know you....

why dont you go write an article about J-Lo like every other wanna be gossip hack.

I happen to know the people you are casting the boulders at dick wad and you could not be further fromn the truth with your conspiracy theory...

until I catch YOU at dinner next time I get together with them....you are just another assshole who thinks that a woody harrelson movie gives you the right to act like you know the real deal.

There is your load of crap anon caped crusader.....I am not in favor of this patent but i can sure as hell tell you therFlynts have no interest in watching people get fucked over...it was a business decision....put down the bong and stop thinking the paranoia is real.

you want the kingdom to blanket you with protection...I get that...but when they do not you assume it is personal...and let me tell you something dip shit.

You represented yourself like you knew what the fuck you were talking about....the only thing you presented here today was another annon arm chair qb opinion...

You do not have to agree but do not come out and look like an idiot talking out of your ass about people you do not know...

...just in case you did not get it clear the first time.

wow.. i'm really being educated now.. and you are correct in the fact that i don't eat dinner with anybody but my own family, and i'm just a small operator that does not deal with bigshots.. obviously you have a close relation to the Flynt family, and you defend your friends.. that's admirable..

i use to admire Larry Flynt a lot, and i only have t-shirts to prove it..even if he never suppied me with any blanket of security, as you mention ( we have been free to sell porn here where i live for over 30 years ) .. the fact remains that i feel that any large company that decides to give in to this senseless patent abuse is fucking me in the ass (i don't like that) specially the one that have been giving me the impression that they were more than just another porn firm.. a company (and a man) that cared about our right to consume all the porn we want - free from bs of all kinds.

and i don't whine.. i bitch.. and i will bitch at anybody i want, even the high and mighty.. and i fight.. i have been spending my time fighting this patent abuse in the EU, results that you also will benefit from.. so, please.. feel free to educate me, but i will critizise anybody i fucking want without having dinner with them first..

well then please allow me to retort.....

You are not part of the process Norma Ray

You do not know what they are thinking...

The enemy here for you is Acacia....... not the Flynt's

If you are no longer an admirer because they did not pick up the tab for you...I am sure no one will be waiting Christmas morning to see where the card is ...

As far as Educate...you guys kill me you think everyone needs to do everything for you....tell you what take some time off the nipple and go eat some big people food...


as far as me sticking up for my friends...you are god damn right I am....you use the branded name they have built for thirty years to draw attention to yourself in a thread title and then act taken back because you get called out...

nobody in that camp sold you out...nobody in that camp has an agenda for people like you....most important people in thart camp have to look at every business move with one thing in mind everytime....

will we lose money on this.....does this make sense financially

You can carry your fucked by the man cross and try to be an attention whore who is looking at the easy way to blame the problems of operarting a business....

Holio did not sign an agreement...I have no hopes at all for Acacia and its patent.

I do know that i am not going to try and blame the Acacia situation on those who signed....You insulted and mis quoted people I know and care about...I will tell you for the last time you do not know what the fuck you are talking about.

It is like a celebrity gossip column...you do not know the people involved......you are going off third party information

....and yes you have the right to bitch just like the homeless guy on the corner claiming the aliens are reading his brain.....the common thread.....neither of you know what you are talking about and talking non-sense

i reflect on what you say, even if you do call me stupid bum.. i'm not trying to draw attention to myself, but i'm pissed at all this bullshit and defending myself with what i can.....i know who my enemy is, and i defend myself against them.... nobody has ever picked up any fucking tab for me and i dont expect them to, i really don't know why you insist on repeating that..

i think you have made your points.. every man for himself and don't fuck with the Flynts.. i disagree.. unity makes strong and you can fuck with anybody (guess who thought me that)...

you attacked people I know today sir...

People you made assumptions about

People who do not feel or act in the manner in which you spoke of them....

"they can afford it" lets me believe that you feel they owe this matter a financial investment based on hard work and savvy business planning they have been rewarded with.

My position was to merely point out that you are making assumptions and accusations about what you think the position of a company is without having any history "real History" with the people who are behind it...

I do not think you are a bum in fact quite the contrary...you had the balls to stand up and be heard and at the end of the day that is worth something. I may not agree with what you say but you have the balls to say it. My only suggestion.....know what the fuck you are talking about....in this case YOU DO NOT.

To you it is a corportae brand...to me they are people that I know care deeply about what they do and what they hope to continue to do.

you attempted here to report on things that would make these people appear to be bad people, and that they have it out for people like you, me......

I am not going to let you without a counter debate....why...because what you are saying is simply not the truth.

If you wanrt to be the spinster of lies than you are nothing more than a common liar...

I doubt very seriously that is what tou are or had intended to walk out of here branded today.

If you wish to continue the and stand by the things you posted in the beginning of this thread that is exactly what you will have accomplished....


you went from a guy with balls to speak his mind to a common liar...

bottom line.....you better know what the fuck you are talking about....i know this is something I have asked from comment one.

you do not seem like a moron dont start now......

I am a strong Flynt supporter because of his willingness to fight for free speech throughout his life, but I also understand why so many people are disappointed that Flynt decided not to fight Acacia.

Part of the reason he makes so much money is because of his reputation. His reputation is as someone who is a fearless fighter.

Some people send traffic to Hustler over other sites that might make the same money because Larry Flynt signs the checks. Remember the GFY ad campaign promoting Larry Flynt, not Hustler as the reason to promote their program? Consumers know Larry Flynt at least as much as they know Hustler. This all makes Larry Flynt more money.

Flynt has earned the right to decide not to fight anymore if that's what he wants to do, but there is no denying that it's going to make a lot of people who look up to him unhappy.

No one can take away the good work Larry Flynt has done, but having a reputation cuts both ways.

Jimholio - Tell him how you really feel! Classic....LOL

Mr. Firction - Well put and hard to argue with!

jimholio: i do feel fucked up the ass by companies that save themselves at the expense of the small guys (me), and i aim at the biggest targets i can see. lack of intimate knowledge has never kept me from saying my piece, but (believe it or not) if someone can convince me that i'm aiming in the wrong direction - i will adjust my aim. i'm not here because i want to be cool, show my balls, or get attention - i'm here because im pissed.. pissed at Acacia and pissed at Hustler.... and pissed at people that fail to understand that there is only one way our industry will ever be left in peace: stick together...

i plead guilty to trying to provoke you all with thinly argumented statements, but i will reserve myself the right to bitch at the people that i feel undermine the basis for a fair business climate.

i'm just a small smutpedler compared to most of you, but i will not be fucked by anybody.. my traffic will not go to companies that settle, because i consider them part of my and everybodys problem.

i didn't say anything like that, and if anything i have said sounded like that, you heard it wrong. i'm sure they deserve every cent.

it's 0430am here, so im going to bed.. let's fight more tomorrow..

How many here can say they've done anything close to what Larry Flynt has done with thier lives? He has earned the right to pass this fight on to the next generation. It doesn't make me happy either, but you should still respect him for everything he has done.

At least Flynt didn't turn over his mailing list like some people appear to have done.

Instead of attacking the old guard, support the next generation. Homegrown, AEBN, Lightspeed, and the rest could use your support right now.

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Again, very well said and I agree 100%!