Helicopter shot down in Iraq 13 US Soliders dead now.

Local villagers displayed blackened pieces of wreckage to arriving reporters, and in nearby Fallujah townspeople celebrated on the streets. "This was a new lesson from the resistance, a lesson to the greedy aggressors," said one Iraqi, who wouldn't give his name. "They'll never be safe until they get out of our country," he said of the Americans.

Shit works on a different time table over there. Those motherfuckers don't move fast they take their time, just because they haven't killed a lot of people yet didn't mean they weren't going to. It just takes them time to get together what they want to do and it's starting to hit. It's only going to get better because it will force our troops to get even more aggressive only pissing the average guy off even more. And no one else is going to want to put their troops in the middle of this shit, because of Bush all those assclowns are just going to sit back and watch us take the heat.

They'll NEVER leave, cant' you people realise that? Maybe you can, but those poor soldiers sure as hell don't .

If ever they try to leave.. it's going to INCREASE the number of attacks on them.. because the spirits of the iraqis will go through the roof.

Besides, they need to keep the troops there for then they attack Syria.

Horrible for the attack..

Can you imagine what US will do now because of it though?

They are screwed.... (IMHO)

The US is sort of powerless at the moment... They can't do anything publicly against the iraquis (on a large scale), but I would certainly bet that there'll be plenty of smoking US cartridges tinkling on the streets where that chopper went down. And why the hell not..

You're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't is what's up over there. You don't start killing motherfuckers and getting agressive you get killed, you get too agressive like you need to and the average iraqi turns on you and all hell breaks loose. It's a pretty delicate balance our guys have to deal with over there.

Like Vietnam?

-- George H. W. Bush, in his 1998 memoir A World Transformed

Well shit happens

Too bad his son wasn't as smart.

Its only going to get worse

I think the news said there were 4 soldiers killed in 2 ambush attacks in the same town earlier also.

exactly

Nope, as anti King George as I am this is nothing like Vietnam and won't be anything like it. We don't so much fight over borders anymore, and this war isn't over borders and land. It's over a way of life and it's worldwide. This is going to be nothing like Vietnam it's WWIII and it's only starting.

Too late to pull out now....
too late to come in hard...
We could withdraw our troops and apologize for the trouble,
or we could send in the Air Force to blow up their yard.

But now either way we choose,
and get the scales tipping...
there is too much pride at stake,
so we both get an ass whipping.

See, the point I'm trying to make here,
to all those who missed out and ducked...
Is simply enough,
whether you like it or not.....we're all fucked!

Damn... things keep getting worse over there...
WG

I feel truely sorry for the soldiers and their families. But then again, hey that's war.

Bush gets what he deserves. The sad part is that his soldiers get what Bush deserves.

we should have never went up against hitler, he killed people.

Whether you want to accept it or not, radical arabs are our generations commies.


Polls show that upward of 70% of bahgdad residents want the usa there. The problem though is the minority is a big nusiance. All it takes is some groups of dipshits with ak47s , rpgs, and a willingness to die to cause alot of trouble.

The quicker these types are taken care of the better. This shit went unchecked for 8 years under Clinton, and it needs to be taken care of, whatever the cost.


My other point, when it comes to politics, certain ones of you only care about an issue when it can possibly due harm to a political party.

You were the same people that had no problem when pol pot killed a million people after we left nam. You are the people that had no problem with hundreds of thousands of rhwandans were killed. Was it because you just dont care about ******s and gooks. Or because it didnt fit into your leftists agendas arsenal against the right.

Hey look we got ourselves a Republican in this thread now. Welcome rooster! You guys are so dumbass everytime you talk about anything related to terrorists it's always about how Clinton didn't do anything to stop them. Are you fucking ignorant of the facts. Clinton didn't stop them, Bush isn't really stopping them, his father didn't stop them, Reagan didn't stop them. They've all fucking caved and not done shit since our men were killed in Lebanon. We should have started fucking people up back then but we're in the pockets of the oil empires and always have been and still are. Bush, Clinton and all of them, this isn't republican or democrat all of those fuckers are worthless.

You think Hitler was a "commie"?

A lot of you guys weren't around during Vietnam. This is nothing in comparison to the crap we had to endure hearing about our troops getting killed week after week for 9 long years.

Some statistics:

Official Campaigns of the War in Vietnam

1. Vietnam Advisory Campaign (15 March 1962 - 07 March 1965)
2. Vietnam Defense Campaign (08 March 1965 - 24 December 1965)
3. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Campaign (25 December 1965 - 30 June 1966)
4. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase II (01 July 1966 - 31 May 1967)
5. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase III (01 June 1967 - 29 January 1968)
6. Tet Counteroffensive (30 January 1968 - 01 April 1968)
7. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase IV (02 April 1968 - 30 June 1968)
8. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase V (01 July 1968 - 01 November 1968)
9. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VI (02 November 1968 - 22 February 1969)
10. Tet 69/Counteroffensive (23 February 1969 - 08 June 1969)
11. Vietnam Summer-Fall 1969 (09 June 1969 - 31 October 1969)
12. Vietnam Winter-Spring 1970 (01 November 1969 - 30 April 1970)
13. Sanctuary Counter-offensive (01 May 1970 - 30 June 1970)
14. Vietnamese Counter-offensive Phase VII (01 July 1970 - 30 June 1971)
15. Consolidation I (01 July 1971 - 30 November 1971)
16. Consolidation II (01 December 1971 - 29 March 1972)
17. Vietnam Ceasefire Campaign (30 March 1972 - 28 March 1973)

IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY


* Vietnam Veterans: 9.7% of their generation.
* 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).
* 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (August 5, 1964 - March 28, 1973).
* 3,403,100 (including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters). 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (January 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973).
* Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.
* Of the 2,6 million, between 1 - 1.6 million (40 - 60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.
* 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.
* Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1969).

CASUALTIES

* Hostile deaths: 47,359.
* Non-hostile deaths: 10,797.
* Total: 58,202 (includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.
* 8 nurses died - 1 was KIA.
* Married men killed: 17,539.
* 61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.
* Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1 men per 100,000 males serving in Vietnam (national average 58.9 men for every 100,000 males serving in Vietnam. {Averaged in 1970}).
* Wounded: 303,704 (153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care).
* Severely disabled: 75,000--23,214 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than in Korea. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII

* Missing in Action: 2,338.
* POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity).

bush is safe his family isn't over there that's why he can say dumb shit like 'bring em on' like a fuckin hillbilly.


I'm sure they're downplaying alot of casulities because of the public reaction to nam'..from what i hear morale is very low and alot of sucides is going down over there

It is now 15 soldiers who died

There was no REAL reason for Vietnam either. A lot of people have died needlessly for the US to show their "strength".

we should just pull out our soldiers and let those fuckers starve.. we got what we wanted, let's just keep control of the oil fields and abandon the cities.

And we're gonna send 87 Billion dollars over there for what ?????

Shit like that totally PISSES me off. We're cutting funds to our schools and communities and not thinking twice about giving them billions of our dollars to help them out when they're one of the richest oil countries in the world.

I know, I know, people are gonna jump on me and say "They didn't need our help, we shouldn't be over there". Well, after all of this time and money have been spent, I'm thinking the same fucking thing. FUCK everyone else, we'll stay in our own country and keep our money to ourselves.

The funniest about that watch what Bush will have to say about that he's going to something like that again.

"The dead of 15 soldiers and 21 wounded today is the proof we're winning on the terrorists in Iraq"

Bush told ya that?

gallup actually

easy to find a link then...

Everyone knows that polls are bullshit, whether they show one result or the other. I generally think most of the Iraqis wanted us there that's common sense you don't need a poll for that shit. But that wanting us there will wear off and is wearing off fast because we had a limited welcome just because no matter what we did for them our society and way of life is offensive to many if not most of them. They don't want us there, they only wanted us there to make the change, 6 months from now it will be even worse. Eventually we'll install not a democracy but a military authority with our US trained Iraqi military to enforce things on the people by the government that we help to keep in power.

What really sucks is they were on the chopper headin for the airport to come home for a couple weeks.. Undoubtedly excited as Hell .. as well as were their families.. then bam..

All in a day's work in Bush's eyes probably..

Well you know we're creating a new hot spot of anger and great place for terrorists to go and kill americans while we're setting up shop to steal their oil, uh I mean we're fighting a war on terrorism.

Just like home.

Really? Show me the link, because sure as hell that's not what the polls show. Stop playing with numbers.

doh, feel bad for the soldiers..

but on the other hand, americans kill iraqi civilians as well on a daily basis so it goes both ways.

That's what I've been saying all along. We should've let the Iraqis deal with Saddam, it was gonna take time but at some point they all had to unite and get rid of him. But nah, Bush wanted to get rid of him prematurely because of a fictional threat and the Iraqis haven't yet faced there past, all the while in NK a guy have 400k slaves and is openly threating the US with war and what do we do? With the money spent on war, Bush could've stopped world famine. Not to mention all the other countries who are begging and willing to accept our help. Why are they ignored?

We have a divided people on our hands and that's not good at all. It'll be like that for a long time. And of course Iraqis will blame whatever happens next on the US even after 50 years, if anything bad happens the US will be blamed for it. It'll be easy to blame the US and a good way to avoid responsibility for many of them. Personally, I don't think you help people by encouraging them to not take responsibility for there actions. Iraqis see themselves under occupation and they don't like that for many reasons and it's understandeable.

No shit. They do a selective poll of less than 2000 people then they say 70% of Baghdad wants the U.S. there. Total bullshit.

[bush] Every time Americans die it just means we are wining the war. I don?t know why the news media bothers to report something like this they just like to focus on the negative. The damn media and their filters. Don?t they know we have opened new schools, and the electricity is on 30% of the time now. [/bush]

He should start drinking again: the world would be a safer place....

It makes me crazy anytime people compare Saddam and Irag to Hitler and Germany. There is no comparision Saddam was a paper dictator with no real power other then in his own country. His military was a farce. Where the germans wanted to fight and die for their country, in fact if Hitler didnt decide to go into Russia the war might of ended differently.

The reason we dont touch NK is because we would have to get into a real war not a military exercise.

We just needed some new negros to keep the American way of life intact.

13 lives lost, but now we're all save from weapons of mass destruction!

Reports from european news say its 20 ppl who died...
americans downplay all the losses

its was'nt shot down, they are still investigating it! it could of just crashed.

i thought the war was over.
didn't GWB say in May that all
major combat was over...

what a fool!

so many lives needlessly lost...

first read KRL's post---the iraqi situation and vietnam are not comparable, and yes both deals were flawed.

but do not forget this---the simple reason we are changing governments on the other side of the world is because a small bunch of camel jockeys decided to hijack some (American) airliners and crash them into USA buildings---killing lots of innocent people.

those are the primitive barbarians that STARTED it, and the USA taxpayers will change the world because of it.

America is not a perfect place, but on balance it is the light of the world.

Don't fuck with America.

Please tell me you're joking...you still belive that fable,fuck..

















One more thing there's no such thing as the easter bunny

Actually he staged a dramatic landing on an aircraft carrier and his staff made a big banner that said ?Mission Accomplished?. He has since tried to cowardly blame the sailors for the banner.