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  • KRL
    Entrepreneur
    • Oct 2002
    • 31429

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    Holy Shit! *** FBI Will OK Extradition of US Spammers & Pornographers To Europe

    Holy Fucking Shit!

    This has very, very serious legal consequences if they are now going subject US citizenes to EU spamming and porn laws and vice versa.

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    UK Lawmakers - We Will Extradite Overseas Spammers

    LONDON (Reuters) - British lawmakers plan to use a new tactic to stop the torrent of junk e-mail spam that floods in from overseas: extradite the mass-mailers and bring them to trial in the United Kingdom.

    "Spammers are no longer an irritant, they are a threat," British MP Brian White told Reuters on Thursday. The UK last month was the second European Union country after Italy to criminalize spam in a law that goes into effect in December.

    But the law has drawn criticism from anti-spam crusaders who say it will be powerless to stop the flood of messages at the source. The majority of spam originates overseas, and in particular, the United States, industry experts say.

    While initially, extradition would be used to target spammers, it could be expanded to include suspects in other cybercrime cases such as virus-writing and hacking, he added.

    White said he and fellow British lawmakers traveled to the U.S. earlier this month where they discussed with FBI officials extraditing American spammers who violate British laws.

    "The FBI's reaction was, subject to the individual case, they couldn't see any problem with it," he said.

    UK and U.S. law enforcement authorities have a long history of cooperation in criminal matters, a relationship that has only grown stronger in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks in America and their subsequent crackdowns on subversive groups.

    EXTRADITING PORN PEDDLERS

    The rise of spam, that flood of unsolicited e-mail offering everything from pornography and cheap mortgages to a full head of hair, has become an urgent matter for lawmakers around the world.

    Lately, law enforcement officials have begun to crack down on spam as a growing amount contains child pornography and spam messages have been used in a spate of recent fraud scams that target online banking customers.

    White said spammers could be extradited if they violated the Computer Misuse Act, a 13-year-old UK law that makes it illegal to tamper with and damage another user's computer.

    Therefore, a spammer who sends e-mails that contain viruses or so-called trojans, programs capable of taking over another user's computer, would be grounds for extradition, White said.

    "The majority of spam is either breaking the law regarding fraud, obscenity, child pornography, or (distribution and marketing) of prescription drugs. We wouldn't get every spammer under all three of those laws, but you could get a majority," he added.

    The challenge for prosecutors will be building up a strong enough case linking spammers with a particular crime as most operate under aliases and have effectively disguised their whereabouts.

    White said the All Party Internet Group, a collection of parliamentarians who have been pushing Internet-related legislation, has asked for the UK's Home Office to update the Computer Misuse Act of 1990, a law written before the advent of the World Wide Web.

    The current law, he said, is not equipped to deal with the modern day nuances of cybercrime.
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    #2
    damn

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    • KRL
      Entrepreneur
      • Oct 2002
      • 31429

      #3
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      • KRL
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        • Oct 2002
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        #4
        Anyone know the UK's porn laws in detail or have a link?

        I know they are pretty damn strict.
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        • gornyhuy
          Chafed.
          • May 2002
          • 18041

          #5
          Is there any implication to NON SPAMMING porn peddlers like me? It doesn't sound like it from that summary...

          >?????

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          • KRL
            Entrepreneur
            • Oct 2002
            • 31429

            #6
            Originally posted by gornyhuy
            Is there any implication to NON SPAMMING porn peddlers like me? It doesn't sound like it from that summary...

            >?????
            Need to get clarification on the UK's porn laws. Trying to find that now.

            I remember though a lot of adult video company's would not ship into the UK.
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            • Mr.Fiction
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              • Feb 2002
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              #7
              This is another try at getting around the U.S. constitution.

              The United States says that U.S. soldiers, Henry Kissenger, and anyone else who the government likes, aren't liable for anything they do that violates the laws of the world court or other countries, but they invite other countries to prosecute porn and spam.

              Why not go all the way, and extradite pornographers to Saudi Arabia so they can execute them?

              What the fuck is going wrong with America?
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              • Stud Money
                So Fucking Banned
                • Sep 2003
                • 3214

                #8
                http://www.europeanwebmasters.com/ar...ult-laws.shtml

                They are the 'commonly followed standards' of porn laws per say in England.

                This extradition process is actually more interesting than just relating to spam afterall, if this starts to happen im told things such as the new international VAT laws could also fall into an extradition category.

                http://www.foreignresources.com/arti...vat-laws.shtml

                http://www.foreignresources.com/arti...-refunds.shtml

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                • Spunky
                  I need a beer
                  • Jun 2002
                  • 133978

                  #9
                  Doh....

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                  • Paul
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 2637

                    #10
                    Anyone know the UK's porn laws in detail or have a link?
                    I'd be interested in this too

                    Stud Money do you have anymore links to UK porn laws ?

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                    • Stud Money
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 3214

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Coatsy


                      I'd be interested in this too

                      Stud Money do you have anymore links to UK porn laws ?
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                      • Paul
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                        • Nov 2002
                        • 2637

                        #12
                        Shoot an email across to [email protected] if anyone would know it would be him
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                        • Theo
                          HAL 9000
                          • May 2001
                          • 34515

                          #13
                          i reported ldinternet. Im not sure if they have arrested him yet

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                          • Bladewire
                            StraightBro
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 56220

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Stud Money
                            http://www.europeanwebmasters.com/ar...ult-laws.shtml

                            They are the 'commonly followed standards' of porn laws per say in England.

                            This extradition process is actually more interesting than just relating to spam afterall, if this starts to happen im told things such as the new international VAT laws could also fall into an extradition category.

                            http://www.foreignresources.com/arti...vat-laws.shtml

                            http://www.foreignresources.com/arti...-refunds.shtml
                            Is that you European Lee?


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                            • KRL
                              Entrepreneur
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 31429

                              #15
                              What the heck is Urolagnia? That's a new one to me.

                              Content that IS NOT acceptable.

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                              2) Material (including dialogue) likely to encourage an interest in abusive sexual activity (e.g., pedophilia, incest) which may include depictions involving adults role-playing as non-adults.

                              3) The portrayal of any sexual activity, whether real or simulated, which involves lack of consent.

                              4) The infliction of pain or physical harm, real or (in a sexual context) simulated. Some allowance may be made for mild consensual activity.

                              5) Any sexual threats or humiliation which do not form part of a clearly consenting role-playing game.

                              6) The use of any form of physical restraint which prevents participants from withdrawing consent, for example, ball gags.

                              7) Penetration by any object likely to cause actual harm or associated with violence.

                              8) Activity which is degrading or dehumanizing (examples include the portrayal of bestiality, necrophilia, defecation, urolagnia).
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                              • Paul
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                                • Nov 2002
                                • 2637

                                #16
                                What the heck is Urolagnia? That's a new one to me
                                Urolagnia: arousal from urine

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                                • reynold
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 51271

                                  #17
                                  excellent

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                                  • Nismo
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2002
                                    • 4977

                                    #18
                                    WTF? are we going back in time here?

                                    Geez. How are they going to distinguish spamming from legit email marketing?
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                                    • Justin L.A.
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 116

                                      #19
                                      I want o be extradited to Holland. The DSL in my jail cell here sucks.
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                                      • goBigtime
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Nov 2002
                                        • 7761

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Nismo
                                        WTF? are we going back in time here?

                                        Geez. How are they going to distinguish spamming from legit email marketing?
                                        If someone is willing to complain and say you're a witch.. you're a witch. Err wait... well you know what I mean.

                                        Brb.. .there is an angry mob burning a magical penis snatcher outside.

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                                        • goBigtime
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                                          • Nov 2002
                                          • 7761

                                          #21

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                                          • m0rph3us
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                                            • Mar 2001
                                            • 2033

                                            #22
                                            if this starts hapenning there's going to be some BIG changes going on with the "world-wide" web. I guess the UK & the EU want to treat sending unsolicited email into one of the jurisidictions as if you were physically in that jursidiction committing a crime.
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                                            • gin
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                                              • Sep 2003
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by m0rph3us
                                              if this starts hapenning there's going to be some BIG changes going on with the "world-wide" web. I guess the UK & the EU want to treat sending unsolicited email into one of the jurisidictions as if you were physically in that jursidiction committing a crime.
                                              it's not going to happen, it's even funnier then that "va spam law" .. i went to court in va over that shit and the judge laughed it out of the court room

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                                              • Suckitbitch
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                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 278

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                Holy Fucking Shit!

                                                This has very, very serious legal consequences if they are now going subject US citizenes to EU spamming and porn laws and vice versa.

                                                FULL ARTICLE:>

                                                UK Lawmakers - We Will Extradite Overseas Spammers


                                                Something had to give eventually. There are plenty of career spammers here and double talkers. They brought it upon themselves.

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                                                • goBigtime
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                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 7761

                                                  #25
                                                  Hey KRL do you have the link for that article? I want to pass it along to someone

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                                                  • goBigtime
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                    • 7761

                                                    #26
                                                    nm.. found some


                                                    http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5099322.html

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                                                    • Mr.Fiction
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                      • 9484

                                                      #27
                                                      Why just the EU?

                                                      Why not make all web content conform to Islamic laws too?
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                                                      • tony299
                                                        lurker
                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                        • 57021

                                                        #28
                                                        Spam creates problem for us ,the whole if you dont like it dont look at it doesnt work .When there is porn in your email whether you want to it or not. I get a shit load everyday.

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                                                        • Rochard
                                                          Jรคgermeister Test Pilot
                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                          • 75761

                                                          #29
                                                          This is fucking funny.... read the entire article, and then read it a second time.

                                                          When was the last time you got a spam email that would violate this law? I can't recall every getting one.

                                                          This is yet another toothless law targeting something that really doesn't exist. They are targeting CP, people who send viruses, and fraud.

                                                          Here's a quote: "The majority of spam is either breaking the law regarding fraud, obscenity, child pornography, or (distribution and marketing) of prescription drugs."

                                                          Read that again "THE MAJORITY OF SPAM" - Bullshit. The majority of spam is home mortgages and perfectly legal porn sites.

                                                          This is nothing but trying to please the general public with a law that means nothing.
                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                          • goBigtime
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                            • 7761

                                                            #30
                                                            Roc,

                                                            Not for nothing but the majority of the spam that is sent these days is relayed from the hacked computers of "normal" home PC's users without their knowledge or consent.

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                                                            • genomega
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                              • 1190

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                              Why just the EU?

                                                              Why not make all web content conform to Islamic laws too?
                                                              France may want this now.


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                                                              • FTVGirls
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 1052

                                                                #32
                                                                I dont know... I'm kinda for this... the incessant porn, viagra, mortgage and other nonsense spam that constantly fills my inbox would be a nice relief if anything, to reduce that crap.

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                                                                • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                  • 9484

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by genomega

                                                                  France may want this now.

                                                                  Even the French don't have close to the free speech protections American have.

                                                                  Can you imagine if all content on the web had to conform to French, German, Saudi and Iranian laws?
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                                                                  • KRL
                                                                    Entrepreneur
                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                    • 31429

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Yeh, but the fucked up part is a lot of these spammers use other peoples addresses and not their own.
                                                                    Last edited by KRL; 11-01-2003, 03:26 PM.
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                                                                    • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                                      Yeh, but the fucked up part is a lot of these spammers use other peoples addresses and not their own.
                                                                      How many complaints to do you and your hosts get per week from AOL users who can't tell that the headers have been forged?
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                                                                      • Doctor Dre
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                        • 51692

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by KRL
                                                                        Yeh, but the fucked up part is a lot of these spammers use other peoples addresses and not their own.
                                                                        The check still end up in their hands . So there must be a way too catch the person
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                                                                        • m0rph3us
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                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                          • 2033

                                                                          #37
                                                                          I think the issue here isn't just about spam but to the 'and other cybercrimes' they refer to. The problem is due to how the internet works at the moment, anybody's computer could be hijacked if they dont' have the proper protection and can be led to do anything the hacker wants. With this in mind, how would you feel if tomorrow, the FBI and SWAT would show up at your door, picking you up and shipping you off to the UK to stand trial for THEIR laws because your PC was hacked and some spammer used it as an SMTP to send spam into the UK or perform a DDOS attack via your PC. Let's remember that a LOT of surfers don't know how to get to Notepad let alone install antivirus and patch their windows/OS regularly.
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                                                                          • Gemini
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                                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                                            • 7183

                                                                            #38
                                                                            At least you can fight them taking you until GW gets around to making porn a terroristic threat and adult webmasters terrorists so no one has the right to fight.

                                                                            Spammers? Let them drop them from 30k to the Atlantic, but make sure to see that they know how to swim JIC they make a clean dive.

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                                                                            • directfiesta
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                                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                                              • 30176

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by goBigtime
                                                                              Hey KRL do you have the link for that article? I want to pass it along to someone

                                                                              http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=3722965
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                                                                              • makefuckingmoney
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                • 3277

                                                                                #40
                                                                                most programs are starting to send uk to dialer it seems..
                                                                                just remove the .uks from your lists..haah

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