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$79/mo for ded server w/ 1000Gb, and managed? How much lower will prices go?

11-01-2003, 11:33 AM

I thought unitedcolo was cheap ($99/1000Gb), just ran across this... has anyone heard of this company before (or their parent theplanet.net)? I'm wondering how they can afford to provide a managed dedicated server, "up to" 3Mbit/sec of average bandwidth, and no setup fee?

http://www.servermatrix.com/servers.html

Am I right in thinking this is ultra cheap (TOO cheap) or have I spent too long between checking out hosting prices?
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11-01-2003, 12:13 PM

That's low enough to scare me off. I know I wouldn't "manage" your shit too well for $79 a month, that's for sure.
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11-01-2003, 12:15 PM

Webair will match that offer, so go with them and you'll get great support.
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11-01-2003, 12:17 PM

That just doesn't add up. Usually when things don't add up you end up getting what you paid for and nothing more.

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11-01-2003, 12:22 PM

i was gonna buy a box with them a couple weeks ago. i sent them an e-mail asking about bandwidth overage and this is what i got ->
"Bandwidth is $1.00 a GB overage, normally $1.50 a GB."
In their faq it says .50, so i don't know.
I never bought the box, instead i got one from rack shack and I've been very happy with it so far.
Hey, if you do get it, let me know how it's doing. I could always use an extra $79 1000/gig server for movie galleries or something
Anyway, I've never heard anything about them - good or bad.
It'll be great if you could keep us posted though.

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11-01-2003, 12:24 PM

im thinking you get what you pay for
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11-01-2003, 12:46 PM

Oy vey!

I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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11-01-2003, 01:01 PM

Server Matrix is owned by The Planet which runs two state of the art NOCs in Dallas. I've had a dedicated with them since March for a high traffic non-adult site. Execellent uptime... pings and support.

Server Matrix is the budget end of the deal... same bandwidth and support. Phones are answered in 2-3 rings 24/7.

Do a search on Web Hosting Talk in the dedicated server forum on The Planet or Server Matrix.

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11-01-2003, 01:15 PM

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11-01-2003, 01:16 PM

interesting, you can't really lose if yu don't host too many mission-critical projects
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11-01-2003, 01:17 PM

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Webair will match that offer, so go with them and you'll get great support.

I don't think they will
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11-01-2003, 01:19 PM

i have six servers with these guys and I've had no problems
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11-01-2003, 01:25 PM

Mmmm 10 boxes using a switch pushing 10 000GB/month for 790$... NICE
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11-01-2003, 01:30 PM

well
usually id say:
You get what you pay for.

but considering the price

what you gotto lose??
$79

you cannot really lose more...
downtime while transfering sites doesnt happen no more these days (at least it should)
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11-01-2003, 01:31 PM

I dunno, even with economies of scale, I don't see the bandwidth price going down that much. Perhaps they depend upon the fact that not everybody, or hardly anybody is going to push their stuff to 1000gb a month. If the customer pushes that much, they can just kick them for some bullshit violation of TOS or something at their leisure. Probably similar to gyms that sell 5000 memberships, but never have to worry about the gym being over filled because most people don't use it enough.
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11-01-2003, 01:43 PM

Damn, no FreeBSD option... That was looking pretty sweet
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Looks like I'm going to have to loosen up my cheap ass and
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11-01-2003, 01:58 PM

im not sure if im right, but some one said something about a new data center out, and they are giving really really really low prices for bandwidth to get customers, this might be them?
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11-01-2003, 02:00 PM

hmm... 79.95$ for a 1,000 gb server, but when you click get quote and check 1,500 gb server it's an extra 250$?
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11-01-2003, 02:03 PM

for what it's worth... The Planet hosts the Dallas Cowboys servers
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11-01-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by some_idiot
Damn, no FreeBSD option... That was looking pretty sweet
for a minute.

Looks like I'm going to have to loosen up my cheap ass and
go with CI this month.

I like FreeBSD's mature network stack and all, but the Linux 2.6 kernel is pretty much O(1) on scalability, which is pretty much incredible. The performance on the 2.4 kernel was pretty equal to the {Free,Net}BSD kernels. You should give that sucker a shot.

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11-01-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by some_idiot
Damn, no FreeBSD option... That was looking pretty sweet
for a minute.

Looks like I'm going to have to loosen up my cheap ass and
go with CI this month.

You can switch it over yourself..........I've seen a howto on Rackshack's board I think it was.
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11-01-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by testuser

I like FreeBSD's mature network stack and all, but the Linux 2.6 kernel is pretty much O(1) on scalability, which is pretty much incredible. The performance on the 2.4 kernel was pretty equal to the {Free,Net}BSD kernels. You should give that sucker a shot.

It's not so much the performance, we're only talking about 1000gig.
(but open Linux up to a 1gig ether and see what you think about
it's stack performance...) It's about stablity of the VM system and
uptime. Linux doesn't even hold 1 spot on front page of the longest
continously running servers at

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

...sometimes 1 missed customer on stack calculation
is better than 30,000 on a day of downtime. Don't be so
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11-01-2003, 02:42 PM

just got one of these bad boys...so far so good
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11-01-2003, 02:50 PM

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11-01-2003, 03:06 PM

Prices look nice on alot of hosts out there but the thing that ticks me off is the tiny ass hard drives they give you, who can run a content biz on a 40-80GB drive?

Right now CD Media runs off of 1x40GB and 2x120GB with just 2500+ titles and I still got over 300+ titles to add right now.

These companies who want to sell to adult need to start considering the hard drive space and up it to at least 120GB if they want alot of adult customers. INstead of sure we'll add a 120gb drive to your server for another $100 setup fee and another $29 a month added to your bill, hmmm, so your saying that in a years timke I would have paid for this hard drive 4 times?

Thats another good thing about phatservers, when I started they wheeled and deal and we got a good setup and when I needed more hard drives, they simply pay the price of the drive and we'll put it in, my monthly didn't raise at all.

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11-01-2003, 03:20 PM

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11-01-2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by some_idiot

It's not so much the performance, we're only talking about 1000gig.
(but open Linux up to a 1gig ether and see what you think about
it's stack performance...) It's about stablity of the VM system and
uptime. Linux doesn't even hold 1 spot on front page of the longest
continously running servers at

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

...sometimes 1 missed customer on stack calculation
is better than 30,000 on a day of downtime. Don't be so
quick on the zeal to discount 30 years of debugging.

Yeah, I have to agree, there is definitely something to be said about testing. ;) I've used BSD more than I've used Linux on certain machines over the years. The stats are quite skewed because 3 years ago, the 2.0 linux kernel was still not quite up to par, weak VM, TCP stack, etc., so it should be pretty much no contest as expected. The 2.4 kernel finally even is comparable to BSD and 2.6 has better scalability in certain aspects. I haven't tested anything on gig eth, nor seen any benchmarks, so I can't really comment on that. Do you know of any studies offhand?

But point being, unlike a couple of years ago, Linux should be 'good enough'. And it's only 3 mbit anyway, so I guess it just doesn't matter anyway.

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11-01-2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by BrentD
Prices look nice on alot of hosts out there but the thing that ticks me off is the tiny ass hard drives they give you, who can run a content biz on a 40-80GB drive?

Right now CD Media runs off of 1x40GB and 2x120GB with just 2500+ titles and I still got over 300+ titles to add right now.

These companies who want to sell to adult need to start considering the hard drive space and up it to at least 120GB if they want alot of adult customers. INstead of sure we'll add a 120gb drive to your server for another $100 setup fee and another $29 a month added to your bill, hmmm, so your saying that in a years timke I would have paid for this hard drive 4 times?

Thats another good thing about phatservers, when I started they wheeled and deal and we got a good setup and when I needed more hard drives, they simply pay the price of the drive and we'll put it in, my monthly didn't raise at all.

Phatservers.Com Rules!!!!

Thing is , is these cheap companies couldnt sustain if gobs of adult webmasters signed up. They make the money off the dude who buys the server and gets 3 hits per day to is website. If it was all adult webmasters using all the bandwith that is alloted they would lose thier ass. So i doubt they will cater you you.
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11-01-2003, 05:04 PM

I thought these guys didn't allow adult material.

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11-01-2003, 05:45 PM

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I thought these guys didn't allow adult material.

I read their AUP and TOS and only saw no cp, warez, or illegal stuff... which of course no host is going to allow. I didn't see anything specifically pertaining to no adult at all. It couldn't hurt to ask. As far as those servers, I wouldn't want to put all my eggs in one basket, especially a possibly sketchy basket such as them.
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11-01-2003, 07:00 PM

I don't about the specific company, but their parent The Planet is top notch. One of the best out there.

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11-01-2003, 07:25 PM

* completely off-topic *

Looking more carefully, since not even having a few linux machines on the list seemed a little too strange, from the netcraft faq.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/accuracy.html#whichos

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I wouldn't expect an old Linux kernel to beat out an old BSD system under load, but netcraft isn't a good source of info for OS stability.

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11-01-2003, 09:14 PM

Never heard about them, but I used to have a data suite and a lot of servers at The Planet and it's top notch, a great facility. Very reliable and great support over there. They're in the Infomart in Dallas, which is a huge tech building with LOTS of bandwidth going into it, very nice environmental controls, generators, etc. I've physically been to the building many, many times.

 
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11-01-2003, 09:33 PM

Just a followup, some of the very questions I came up with were also asked here... I got back a fairly prompt reply to my email.

1) FreeBSD - yes they will install it on the $79 plan, but it requires extra time (I presume they have several servers preconfigured)

2) Overage / prepurchase of gigs - I pointed out to them that paying an extra $250 for 1500 gigs (+500 gigs @$2/gig) in advance was pretty silly when you could just pay $0.50 overage on the 1000Gb plan. The reply was that the signup form will be corrected, but they didn't clarify what the actual extra/overage prices were.

3) They do allow adult according to their FAQ.

4) Managed services - yes, they do allow UNMANAGED, it's not mandatory to have them poking around your server.

Unmanaged FreeBSD is my preference, and since they can offer that who can lose with a monthly fee of $79? I'll probably stick some galleries or thumbs on the server.
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11-01-2003, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by flashfire
just got one of these bad boys...so far so good

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11-01-2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by rowan
Just a followup, some of the very questions I came up with were also asked here... I got back a fairly prompt reply to my email.

1) FreeBSD - yes they will install it on the $79 plan, but it requires extra time (I presume they have several servers preconfigured)

2) Overage / prepurchase of gigs - I pointed out to them that paying an extra $250 for 1500 gigs (+500 gigs @$2/gig) in advance was pretty silly when you could just pay $0.50 overage on the 1000Gb plan. The reply was that the signup form will be corrected, but they didn't clarify what the actual extra/overage prices were.

3) They do allow adult according to their FAQ.

4) Managed services - yes, they do allow UNMANAGED, it's not mandatory to have them poking around your server.

Unmanaged FreeBSD is my preference, and since they can offer that who can lose with a monthly fee of $79? I'll probably stick some galleries or thumbs on the server.

i might grab a server there too

just for shits and giggles

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11-01-2003, 10:04 PM

I just bought a server with fdcservers.com... http://www.fdcservers.net/greatdeals.html that one

Duron 1Ghz
512GB RAM
120GB HDD
CPANEL
5Mbit dedicated connection
BGP multihomed bandwidth plan (XO&YIPES&Cogent)
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So far I've had no problems and the price is $109... hope it stays that way.
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11-02-2003, 04:30 AM

ouch, check out WHT about theplanet, heard some scary shit
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11-02-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by gellpak
I just bought a server with fdcservers.com... http://www.fdcservers.net/greatdeals.html that one

Duron 1Ghz
512GB RAM
120GB HDD
CPANEL
5Mbit dedicated connection
BGP multihomed bandwidth plan (XO&YIPES&Cogent)
REDHAT 9.0

So far I've had no problems and the price is $109... hope it stays that way.

Duron 1Ghz :\ I don't think a '1Ghz' machine would handle pumping out 500kb/s
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11-02-2003, 07:05 AM

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Duron 1Ghz :\ I don't think a '1Ghz' machine would handle pumping out 500kb/s

If static content and 1gb of ram will handle even 10mbit but never heard about them...
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11-02-2003, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by rowan
"up to" 3Mbit/sec of average bandwidth

This says it all mate, if that information is correct they count 1mbit as 333 Gigs, (it's more like 300 or less if you want a fast upstream), these are capped lines. Note that there is also no ability to upgrade since 500 Gigs extra is too overpriced.

So overall, this is a decent price for this kind of business model, if the fixed plans fit your needs.

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11-02-2003, 08:15 AM

"up to" 3Mbit/sec was my wording - it's 1000Gb included. I got back a reply from them and the correct overage rate is $0.50, which is reasonable given the super low pricing for the first 1000Gb. Just ordered a FreeBSD server on the $79 plan...
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11-02-2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by gellpak
I just bought a server with fdcservers.com... http://www.fdcservers.net/greatdeals.html that one

Duron 1Ghz
512GB RAM
120GB HDD
CPANEL
5Mbit dedicated connection
BGP multihomed bandwidth plan (XO&YIPES&Cogent)
REDHAT 9.0

So far I've had no problems and the price is $109... hope it stays that way.

Shoulda went with

AMD 1400+ PRO (actual speed 1Ghz)
512MB RAM
120GB HDD 7200RPM

- 100Mbit port
- 5Mbit dedicated connection
- Yipes backbone
- extra traffic FREE !!!
- BGP4 routing protocol
- FREE IPs (arin rules)
- UN-METERED bandwidth
- no overage fees
- 4 hour setup

That one is $99 a month no setup.
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11-02-2003, 12:48 PM

Servermatrix only accepts CC's - they won't accept money orders wtf is up with that?

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11-02-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by 4Pics

Shoulda went with

AMD 1400+ PRO (actual speed 1Ghz)
512MB RAM
120GB HDD 7200RPM

- 100Mbit port
- 5Mbit dedicated connection
- Yipes backbone
- extra traffic FREE !!!
- BGP4 routing protocol
- FREE IPs (arin rules)
- UN-METERED bandwidth
- no overage fees
- 4 hour setup

That one is $99 a month no setup.

Ah, si, but on top of that I'd have to pay $35/mo for cpanel, whereas it comes with the one I posted. And cpanel is very much worth getting, from my point of view since I've decided that the default webmin is tough to use...
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11-03-2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by BrentD
Prices look nice on alot of hosts out there but the thing that ticks me off is the tiny ass hard drives they give you, who can run a content biz on a 40-80GB drive?

Right now CD Media runs off of 1x40GB and 2x120GB with just 2500+ titles and I still got over 300+ titles to add right now.

These companies who want to sell to adult need to start considering the hard drive space and up it to at least 120GB if they want alot of adult customers. INstead of sure we'll add a 120gb drive to your server for another $100 setup fee and another $29 a month added to your bill, hmmm, so your saying that in a years timke I would have paid for this hard drive 4 times?

Thats another good thing about phatservers, when I started they wheeled and deal and we got a good setup and when I needed more hard drives, they simply pay the price of the drive and we'll put it in, my monthly didn't raise at all.

Phatservers.Com Rules!!!!

I'm also incredibly happy with them so far. I havent' had the need to upgrade yet, but have been told about this policy. Also anything I need done is done very quickly(a few minutes).

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11-03-2003, 12:16 PM

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I'm also incredibly happy with them so far. I havent' had the need to upgrade yet, but have been told about this policy. Also anything I need done is done very quickly(a few minutes).

I was referring to phatservers, not the other deal/company.

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11-03-2003, 04:02 PM

Hmm, they installed FreeBSD 5.0 on my new server. Oops, that is definitely not recommended for production use.
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11-03-2003, 04:59 PM

not for nothing...if something looks to good to be true...it probably is. Use your better judgement.

If these prices were warranted don't you think we'd all be offering them? or at least someone you've heard of would be offering them?

agreed, in the beginning companies were extremely overpriced, but now that the mci's, global corssings, and other tier one carriers that we purchase from have come down to reality price wise, i think we've pretty much gone as low as it's going to go...

just my opinion though =)

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