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Matrix - You need to issue a cease and desist against Acacia today!

10-27-2003, 01:07 PM

Get your lawyers on this now.

Send them a cease and desist right now. Tell them they are not allowed to contact any more of your customers or they will be sued.

You say the list is stolen, let Acacia know that they are using a stolen customer list and tell them to stop using a stolen list, now or they will be liable for any damage they do to your business from this time forward. They should also know that there may be criminal charges if they continue to use a list they know is stolen.

Do it right now.

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10-27-2003, 01:08 PM

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10-27-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Send them a cease and desist right now. Tell them they are not allowed to contact any more of your customers or they will be sued.

Damage has already been done if you ask me...
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10-27-2003, 01:16 PM

LAS VEGAS - A man said to have offered a "valuable customer list" purporting to be a CE Cash e-mailing list was issued a temporary restraining order August 8.

A federal judge handed down the order against Eric Suchomski, known also as BigMike9712, after Suchomski reportedly offered the list for sale on a popular adult Webmaster chat board, according to R.P. Ventures attorney David Steiner. R.P. is seeking over $1 million in actual and punitive damages against Suchomski.

The order bars Suchomski from selling, disbursing, or any other dissemination of any e-mail addresses actually or allegedly belonging to R.P. Ventures, whether or not it's identified as a CE Cash list. It also bars Suchomski from accessing any computer systems housing these lists. A heariing on R.P.'s preliminary injunction motion is set for August 13.

"This property is valued in the millions," said an unidentified R.P. spokesman, "and we will continue to prosecute this matter and any individual found trading or using our customer list to the full extent of the law." The purported "CE List," as Suchomski was said to have trumpeted it on the message board in question, reportedly contained 12 million e-mail addresses.

Reached for comment by AVN Online, Steiner said the temporary order was granted the same day the case was filed, just days after R.P. learned of Suchomski's message board postings.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2003...081103_7.shtml

CE Cash went to court when their list was stolen, where is the Matrix lawsuit and restraining order against Acacia?

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10-27-2003, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Damage has already been done if you ask me...
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If indeed their list has been stolen and misused, they can sue for loss of revenue directly relating to it's misuse.. That includes all the customers who will no longer use them.

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10-27-2003, 01:16 PM

"You say the list is stolen"

Can you please post a link to where it says that??

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10-27-2003, 01:16 PM

Why would they give a fuck now? There is no way this is a stolen list IMHO, it was most likely part of the deal they made.
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10-27-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Damage has already been done if you ask me...
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They should stop Acacia from contacting anyone on that list until a judge determines what happened and how Acacia ended up with a stolen customer list.

Also, Acacia should be barred from using any of that information and if they do, they should be held accountable.

Acacia is trying to use the legal system against the adult industry, now it's time to use the legal system back against them.

If this list is really stolen, then Matrix can go after Acacia and hurt them.

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10-27-2003, 01:19 PM

All the talk in Vancover and shit I found out just disturbs me.

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10-27-2003, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
If indeed their list has been stolen and misused, they can sue for loss of revenue directly relating to it's misuse.. That includes all the customers who will no longer use them.

I believe that's only the case if Acacia used the list knowing it was stolen. I'm not a legal expert though, i could be wrong on this.

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10-27-2003, 01:19 PM

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10-27-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by TheLegacy
"You say the list is stolen"

Can you please post a link to where it says that??

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=189749

If the information was from my database, then it was done without Matrix Content, Inc. or any of it principals giving any form of consent for use and we have never in the past.

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10-27-2003, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Damage has already been done if you ask me...
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10-27-2003, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I believe that's only the case if Acacia used the list knowing it was stolen. I'm not a legal expert though, i could be wrong on this.

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10-27-2003, 01:23 PM

It would be too easy for Matrix to say the list was stolen or they got hacked. That's just an easy excuse to dig themselves out of this hole. IF Norman comes back with this excuse and does not take legal actions, then we know it was all BULLSHIT.
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10-27-2003, 01:23 PM

if I had to guess, Id bet they sold that database to another company and they double crossed m*trix and sold it to Acacia. Now m*trix feels like they just got kicked in the nuts and have to figure out their next move.

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10-27-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I believe that's only the case if Acacia used the list knowing it was stolen. I'm not a legal expert though, i could be wrong on this.

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10-27-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by rooster
if I had to guess, Id bet they sold that database to another company and they double crossed m*trix and sold it to Acacia. Now m*trix feels like they just got kicked in the nuts and have to figure out their next move.

And who gave them permission to sell my information to another company?
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10-27-2003, 01:25 PM

Honestly I think anyone selling lists of their customers must be beyond greedy.. I'm not saying this is what Matrix did, because I can't prove or disprove that.. But I would rather close up shop than sell my webmaster list. And I don't care what anyone threatens me with.

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10-27-2003, 01:25 PM

You can't just keep using stolen property because you didn't know it was stolen when you got it. You also aren't absolved of responsibility when you buy stolen property and then use it.

What if it was a stolen credit card list, could you just keep using the credit card numbers because you didn't know it was stolen?

This is all assuming the list is really being used illegally, which we are being led to believe.

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10-27-2003, 01:26 PM

Has Norman posted anything else on what action he is taking?

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10-27-2003, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Which we are being led to believe.

I think that's what they wanted. Anyone notice how Norman didn't say shit until someone posted the idea that MAYBE they got hacked or someone stole it from the inside? I believe it was KRL that said it first... and look how quickly Norman JUMPED on that idea. Just looking for an easy way to dig out of this hole....
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10-27-2003, 01:30 PM

I think matrix is fucked either way.

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10-27-2003, 01:30 PM

We have bought a LOT of matrix content in the past. and we still till today have not heard from acacia.

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10-27-2003, 01:33 PM

I'm not buying that the list was stolen, if it was they'd take legal action which I'd be willing to bet they won't do. They obviously gave away their DB as a part of their deal, and now that people are calling them on it they're using the good old reliable "hacked or stolen" excuse. Prove me wrong Matrix, sue them.

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And who gave them permission to sell my information to another company?

I'm going to guess you, when you signed up for their site and agreed to their TOS.
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10-27-2003, 01:36 PM

Matrix really needs a smart representative on these boards to handle this for them. Right now their silence on all these threads isn't sitting well.

Who represents Matrix here?

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10-27-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith
Matrix really needs a smart representative on these boards to handle this for them. Right now their silence on all these threads isn't sitting well.

Who represents Matrix here?

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10-27-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Rich
I'm going to guess you, when you signed up for their site and agreed to their TOS.

Most of the TOS's of my sponsors all include a privacy policy that says they will NOT disclose your personal and contact information. I can't speak as to the Matrix TOS though.

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10-27-2003, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

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Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'Neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.

"Fools" said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning,
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10-27-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
If A**** has this list (obvious they do) Then they certainly know how they got it...

Not necessarily. A freelance consultant could have sold it to them under false pretenses.

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10-27-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
That's sort of what I was saying

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10-27-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Rich

I'm going to guess you, when you signed up for their site and agreed to their TOS.

Funny, I see no Privacy Policy at all on their site.
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10-27-2003, 02:05 PM

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I lika dat song.

Me too.

And it's very fitting to the situation right now ... in a deep sense of the meaning of the song.
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10-27-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by JFPdude

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I've come to talk with you again,
Because a vision softly creeping,
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence.
In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone,
'Neath the halo of a street lamp,
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence.

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more.
People talking without speaking,
People hearing without listening,
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.

"Fools" said I, "You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows.
Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
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And echoed
In the wells of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning,
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And the sign said, "The words of the prophets
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10-27-2003, 02:13 PM

Hey wait a minute....

Has Matrix actually agreed that the list was stolen & not given to Acacia?

Because I'm sure Acacia wouldn't like it if Matrix was running around saying Acacia is using their stolen list witout permission if Matrix did in fact give them permission.

More drama to consider.

Yeah I agree with the the thread starter. Matrix needs to take action and start with a C&D to save a little face with their clients.

Then the defense team will probably be able to use the tale of this C&D request to Acacia in their defense.

I still think that Matrix is innocent and the list was probably stolen from them long ago.

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10-27-2003, 02:34 PM

If it was stolen, which I'm not sure, it was in the last 4 months, only 1 purchase from Matrix, and a letter with the info I used on their site. They either Gave (sold) the list or it was stolen in that time frame.
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10-28-2003, 04:14 AM

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10-28-2003, 05:00 AM

hey, if matrix really didn't sell or give acacia the list, taking acacia to court would go a long way with their fellow webmasters...

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10-28-2003, 05:36 AM

Like Basschick says, if Matrix didn't give Acacia their list they should take them to court. The evidence is overwhelming that Acacia is using info only given to Matrix, which many people can prove. Either Matrix gave the list or it was comprimised. Matrix should either admit it or do something about it. All I see from Matrix is "prove that it is our list." Which to me smells like they are trying to be clever and not accept culpability. If the list was given to them, fine tell us, we will deal with Matrix in the biz area, if the list wasn't given to them on the up and up, Matrix can do something about it by pursuing Acacia through legal channels.

The real sad part is Matrix has great content, but why would anyone in their right mind want to buy from them if they won't protect their customers. This biz has alot of integrity, believe it or not, but everyone that runs a tgp, link list, or even just submits galleries knows all about cheaters, if you cheat you are blacklisted. So you run an honest operation, you don't cheat, if you are cheated you do something about it.
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10-28-2003, 05:56 AM

If the list is stolen, Matrix should be taking Acacia to court for theft.
If the list wasn't stolen, Acacia should be taking Matrix to court for damaging their business by implying Acacia stole it or knowingly buying a stolen list.

Neither are going to happen. We're dealing with a bunch of less than honest people on both ends. Have you no memory folks? Since when is Matrix so squeaky-clean? Can anyone say Babenet?
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10-28-2003, 06:09 AM

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10-28-2003, 06:16 AM

Welp since nobody asked me.

I think this whole concept of a stolen list is total bullshit.

Matrix is small, have no bankroll for major legal messes, and if they were offered a deal, it is my opinion they took it.

They had to make a decision between going belly up and driven out of business because of Acacia or do what they had to do to get thru this and earn a living.

I mean, shit...think about it, if it were you, you would have done the same thing.

Who ya bullshitting here.
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10-28-2003, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by LeeNoga
Welp since nobody asked me.

I think this whole concept of a stolen list is total bullshit.

Matrix is small, have no bankroll for major legal messes, and if they were offered a deal, it is my opinion they took it.

They had to make a decision between going belly up and driven out of business because of Acacia or do what they had to do to get thru this and earn a living.

I mean, shit...think about it, if it were you, you would have done the same thing.

Who ya bullshitting here.

LeeNoga I disagree with you. Not everyone in the biz would do that and I would rather shutdown my content site before I did a deal like this with Acacia.

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10-28-2003, 11:25 AM

but lee, we don't know that's what happened. maybe the database of registered webmasters really WAS stolen, and if that's the case, they might even find help with a legal fund right here by letting us know.

if acacia is using a stolen list, they should be stopped, as should anyone using stolen material. also it makes people think less of matrix to think they gave away our info and then lied, so if they didn't, this is an opportunity to quiet all doubters. if matrix is not telling us the truth, we deserve to know who gave away our personal information. that simple.

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10-28-2003, 11:28 AM

IMHO appears that Martix rolled over, and is trying to out a band aid on the situation. Guys behind Matrix have real $, and if Acacia is using said list, they could do something about it. Of course, unless they gave it to them.

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10-28-2003, 12:28 PM

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LeeNoga I disagree with you. Not everyone in the biz would do that and I would rather shutdown my content site before I did a deal like this with Acacia.

And then what would you do? Flip Burgers?

You think that a widely known content provider like Matrix would rather shut down COMPLETELY rather than turn over the list and lose a lot of customers but STILL be in business?

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10-28-2003, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Get your lawyers on this now.

Send them a cease and desist right now. Tell them they are not allowed to contact any more of your customers or they will be sued.

You say the list is stolen, let Acacia know that they are using a stolen customer list and tell them to stop using a stolen list, now or they will be liable for any damage they do to your business from this time forward. They should also know that there may be criminal charges if they continue to use a list they know is stolen.

*Assuming* a portion of the list of names (probably compiled from multiple sources) came from Matrix Content, I will bet it was NOT stolen, but more likely GIVEN to Acacia by Matrix Content as part of their settlement with them.

Don't expect Matrix Content to admit nor deny this; they may even lie, since Matrix Content likely signed a NDA as part of their settlement...it may very well take court action to get the truth.

With that said, the real battle now is not with Matrix Content, but rather with Acacia...in the meantime, one does best in my view to AVOID all companies/sponsors that settled with Acacia and sold out the adult community.

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10-28-2003, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by BVF

And then what would you do? Flip Burgers?

You think that a widely known content provider like Matrix would rather shut down COMPLETELY rather than turn over the list and lose a lot of customers but STILL be in business?

BVF I have more revenue streams that just content. I will loose a few bucks bit so fucking what. Money I can always earn again but if you sell out on your customers your fucked. Would you sell out your fellow webmasters?

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10-28-2003, 01:07 PM

This is a great idea! Hopefully they don't contact me!

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10-28-2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by LeeNoga
Welp since nobody asked me.

I think this whole concept of a stolen list is total bullshit.

Matrix is small, have no bankroll for major legal messes, and if they were offered a deal, it is my opinion they took it.

They had to make a decision between going belly up and driven out of business because of Acacia or do what they had to do to get thru this and earn a living.

I mean, shit...think about it, if it were you, you would have done the same thing.

Who ya bullshitting here.

Yep exactly lee!

Matrix got caught, thats the botton line.. Others will follow im sure..

blunts
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