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  • Rick Latona
    The Best Ideas Start Here
    • Dec 2002
    • 6037

    #1

    Since I wrote the Klixxx article I can actually post it here for you now

    Since I wrote the Klixxx article I can actually post it here for you now. Clearly the other thread got the point lost.

    Anyway, here was the article:

    Chargebacks

    You don?t have to be unethical to have chargeback problems. Sparse content and aggressive marketing methods are only two potential causes of chargebacks. The bottom line is that any program doing significant joins has to deal with the issue. There are a number of factors that can cause you to go above the 1% chargeback ratio that Visa allows, including natural attrition, your members? area, webmaster fraud, support issues, cross sells and your price point to consumers. If you want to stay below the 1% mark, you?ll need to deal with every one of these points.

    The other day I was reading the Terms and Conditions for processing through Jettis and I noticed a clause in their contract that required you to phase out processing over a 6 month period if you wanted to leave them as a client. This is because people rarely get notified each month when they are billed. It is quite common for a customer to notice that they have been getting billed recurrently only after some time has passed. If you don?t send new charges through the same IPSP account over and over, natural attrition of your customer base will put you over 1%. I know of one very high volume and well-known sponsor program that processed through Jettis for years and then switched to Epoch for various reasons. Recently that sponsor has had to start sending charges through Jettis again because they went over 1% by not sending them new joins. Now they will need to go back to Epoch for new joins because they will have the same problem there. What?s the solution? Get your own merchant account and run all of your primary processing through it or rotate two separate IPSPs so you don?t put all your eggs in one basket.

    Technically, customers aren?t supposed to chargeback fees just because they don?t like the product. However, in reality this happens all the time. Having a great members? area will not only decrease chargebacks but will also increase your total billing! At CJ Bucks, we do everything we can to keep the customers happy including separate members? areas for each of our sites and tons of well-organized content.

    This may come as a surprise, but there are many fraudulent webmasters! All program owners regularly cancel webmasters for pushing through fraudulent transactions. The frauds want to get a check from you before you?ve noticed so the key is to notice and catch them before you send the check. Most IPSPs will inform you of fraudulent webmasters, but you can always catch more than the processor by taking ownership of the issue yourself. Some methods are easier than others. One easy way to catch the crook is to look at their conversion ratios. If you have a webmaster pushing through joins at 1:3, the odds are that they are frauding you. If you show me a traffic source that converts at 1 in 3 I?ll buy all of the traffic for sale because such a thing just doesn?t exist. A much more difficult technique would be to build a system that checks to see if members login to their members? areas. If a webmaster sends five joins to you and none of those joins login to the sites, odds are that its fraudulent. The bottom line is that you must have a system in place to protect yourself against fraud. At CJ Bucks, we have many, so most crooks look for an easier target.

    Your support systems can make a huge difference. When a pay site member needs support or chooses to cancel, they have two choices: go to your site and look for support channels or go to the emails they received when they joined the program. Those emails most likely came from your IPSP and contain email addresses, links and/or phone numbers. Your IPSP couldn?t possibly answer questions about your members? area or the encoding of your videos. I know of at least three sponsors who have asked their IPSP to change the information on those emails so that all requests funnel through the sponsor who actually sold the membership.

    Cross sells are often blamed for the chargeback problem. Again, it?s how you use the cross sells that counts most. Some programs bury in their terms and conditions that the end user is joining more than one site while others use check boxes or even pre-checked boxes on their join page. Clearly there is a middle ground here -- your job, as a program owner, is to find that balance. I prefer the pre-checked boxes, but I leave the recurring monthly price for those memberships at 24.95 or less. I think that hooking someone up with two separate 39.95 a month memberships is just a bit too much, and, besides, the CEO of a major IPSP assures me that many banks won?t chargeback charges of less than 25 dollars.

    Chargebacks are obviously an important concern of everyone involved in a sponsor program, but the issue isn?t as cut-and-dry as simply offering better content. Of course, when selling an intangible product, it never hurts to deliver above and beyond your customers? expectations, but unless you efficiently shore-up all points of potential chargeback leakage, you still might find yourself running aground with the 1% policy.


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    Note: I wrote this months ago and the magazine just got mailed. I've learned a lot myself since this writing and will be posting more thoughts in a minute.
    Regards,

    Rick Latona
    http://latonas.com

    Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
    Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.
  • emmanuelle
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2003
    • 3662

    #2
    Thanks for posting that

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    • Mr Cheeks
      Confirmed User
      • Apr 2002
      • 901

      #3
      very nice read. good job!

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      • tbabe
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2003
        • 2494

        #4
        Great article

        Still one of the best programs on the net.


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        • tucker
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2002
          • 584

          #5
          Well put! That is a well thought out, timely and informative article. Rick, nice job!!

          What have you found is the balance between membership price and cross sell prices that work to maximize the join without exposure?

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          • chemicaleyes
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            • Aug 2003
            • 11569

            #6
            Good read, thx for posting it.
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            • Rick Latona
              The Best Ideas Start Here
              • Dec 2002
              • 6037

              #7
              Originally posted by tucker
              Well put! That is a well thought out, timely and informative article. Rick, nice job!!

              What have you found is the balance between membership price and cross sell prices that work to maximize the join without exposure?
              Excellent question. Clearly there are many people on the board that would be better qualified to answer that question. As for us, we are now rotating join pages and agressivley pricing some but not all click throughs. A wise man once told me that his goal is to do 1,000,000 chargebacks a month because that meant he had to do 99 millioin and 1 that don't. The real art is to stay as close to 1% as possible without going over it, as you so aluded.
              Regards,

              Rick Latona
              http://latonas.com

              Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
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              • brand0n
                been very busy
                • Nov 2002
                • 26983

                #8
                great read

                rick, i need to shoot down there and talk to you in a week or so about something else signup4cash has in mind.

                whens a good time to come down and where is a nice place to stay?
                want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                • slapass
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 14625

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rick Latona
                  , besides, the CEO of a major IPSP assures me that many banks won?t chargeback charges of less than 25 dollars.

                  IS THIS TRUE???? major news if it that works.

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                  • Jman
                    Already an AI veteran
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 22838

                    #10
                    I like this article, especially the part about sponsor changing the info in the welcome email... " I know of at least three sponsors who have asked their IPSP to change the information on those emails so that all requests funnel through the sponsor who actually sold the membership."

                    You and I had a long conversation about this in Curacao and you know my views and ideas on this issue.

                    BTW I still think my idea would do great in this industry and would love to be able to run a test with you anytime you would be willing to... don't need much to run a test you know
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                    • Rick Latona
                      The Best Ideas Start Here
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 6037

                      #11
                      Originally posted by slapass
                      IS THIS TRUE???? major news if it that works.
                      I trust the source but I'm not the source.
                      Regards,

                      Rick Latona
                      http://latonas.com

                      Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                      Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                      • detoxed
                        vip member
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 17798

                        #12
                        Originally posted by slapass
                        IS THIS TRUE???? major news if it that works.
                        There are many chargebacks for $1. Maybe SOME banks dont, but most do.

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                        • Phoenix
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                          • Nov 2002
                          • 35475

                          #13
                          nice stufff Rick,

                          comprehensive overview on the issue, lots of nice points in there
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                          • Peaches
                            Old broad
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 13933

                            #14
                            Thanks, Rick - now I don't have to look at nekkid wimmins to read it

                            Awesome article!!

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                            • WiredGuy
                              Pounding Googlebot
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 34512

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Rick Latona
                              I think that hooking someone up with two separate 39.95 a month memberships is just a bit too much, and, besides, the CEO of a major IPSP assures me that many banks won?t chargeback charges of less than 25 dollars.
                              Is this really true that a lot of banks won't issue CB's for < $25 charges? If so, what's to stop a paysite from changing their model bi-monthly recurring at $20 each versus one $40 charge? Just throwing in some ideas...

                              WG
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                              • Rick Latona
                                The Best Ideas Start Here
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 6037

                                #16
                                Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                Is this really true that a lot of banks won't issue CB's for < $25 charges? If so, what's to stop a paysite from changing their model bi-monthly recurring at $20 each versus one $40 charge? Just throwing in some ideas...

                                WG
                                That seems to be the hot point of the article. I've emailed the original source asking for him to post. I'll let you guys know.
                                Regards,

                                Rick Latona
                                http://latonas.com

                                Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
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                                • SleazyDream
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                                  • Jul 2001
                                  • 41470

                                  #17
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                                  • dougeetx
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                                    • Apr 2002
                                    • 6163

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by tbabe
                                    Great article

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                                    • mary34d
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                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 3358

                                      #19
                                      rick u rock


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                                      • Pornkings
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                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 5334

                                        #20
                                        we will be coming out with a new price point no one has tried, we will launch it with the new pornkings this month. I will keep you posted. had to get Paycom to agree

                                        Always need to think one step ahead our Porn4abuck keeps us out of any chargeback issue's. Knock on wood

                                        stay tuned for new and exciting things


                                        Good read Rick
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                                        • Strife
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                                          • Aug 2001
                                          • 4534

                                          #21
                                          great read
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                                          • makefuckingmoney
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                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 3277

                                            #22
                                            I have a bunch of 8.00 cb's

                                            im sure quite a few people do.

                                            Also, jettis isnt the only one that wants someone to phase out processing if they leave..thats no big secret. Every processor will do that.

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                                            • pimplink
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                                              • Jun 2001
                                              • 9535

                                              #23
                                              Thanks for posting!

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                                              • mary34d
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                                                • Aug 2003
                                                • 3358

                                                #24
                                                you never stop amazing me how smart you are.


                                                The guys at CJ Bucks will do absolutely anything to get your business. You owe it to yourself to at least ask!

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                                                • Muffin
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                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                  • 568

                                                  #25
                                                  Great read Rick......well written, well laid out and lots of food for thought......looks like you inspired a lot of people to rethink their pricing structure and strategy......nice contribution!

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                                                  • EviLGuY
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Apr 2003
                                                    • 12745

                                                    #26
                                                    There were some good points in that article. I think everyone should read it even if they don't run paysites.

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                                                    • adamneve
                                                      LIVING LA VITA LOCA
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 13333

                                                      #27
                                                      great article Rick
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                                                      • Drake
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                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 12508

                                                        #28
                                                        Excellent read!

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                                                        • Dwreck
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                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                          • 7362

                                                          #29
                                                          I must agree a good read!!

                                                          Rick is a genuis

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                                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                            • 30307

                                                            #30
                                                            I can live with $19.95 a month!
                                                            Per member

                                                            But wooo nelli them webmasters gonna be pinched!

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                                                            • slavdogg
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                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 3570

                                                              #31
                                                              good article Rick
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                                                              • FabianC
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 1616

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                ... What?s the solution? Get your own merchant account and run all of your primary processing through it ...
                                                                With your own merchant you have the freedom of a little more creativity .. however, be prepared for the "reserve" shakedown from the merchant bank .. any where from 30-50% of your monthly billing. Meaning, if you're billing $100k/month, they'll hold onto 15-20% off the top until you've got $30-50K sitting in the bank which cannot be touched for 10 months .. give or take.

                                                                CSI was infamous for saying "oh, congrats, you're growing! In order for us to continue to process for you we're going to hold onto 100% of your deposits until we have $10K. Once we have $10k, we'll release 80% of your net earnings twice a week. We don't care that you have webmasters, bills, etc. to pay, we don't trust you because you're adult. Oh, you've had another account with us for years? Fuck you, we don't care."

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                                                                • Rick Latona
                                                                  The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 6037

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
                                                                  I have a bunch of 8.00 cb's

                                                                  im sure quite a few people do.

                                                                  Also, jettis isnt the only one that wants someone to phase out processing if they leave..thats no big secret. Every processor will do that.
                                                                  He was telling me that "some or many" banks won't initiate a chargeback if all charges related were at 25 dollars or less.

                                                                  Also, I agree that Jettis isn't the only one. It was just their TOS that got me thinking.
                                                                  Regards,

                                                                  Rick Latona
                                                                  http://latonas.com

                                                                  Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                                                                  Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                                                                  • Rick Latona
                                                                    The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                    • 6037

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Pornkings
                                                                    we will be coming out with a new price point no one has tried, we will launch it with the new pornkings this month. I will keep you posted. had to get Paycom to agree

                                                                    Always need to think one step ahead our Porn4abuck keeps us out of any chargeback issue's. Knock on wood

                                                                    stay tuned for new and exciting things


                                                                    Good read Rick
                                                                    No shit? You've got my curiosity running for sure.
                                                                    Regards,

                                                                    Rick Latona
                                                                    http://latonas.com

                                                                    Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                                                                    Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                                                                    • Jace
                                                                      FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                      • 35562

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                      great read

                                                                      rick, i need to shoot down there and talk to you in a week or so about something else signup4cash has in mind.

                                                                      whens a good time to come down and where is a nice place to stay?
                                                                      i hear the atlanta jail has nice accomodations....haha

                                                                      seriously, if you wanna be right by their office stay at the Omni, it is right next door...well, almost

                                                                      hit me up when you come though, stay an extra day and we will woop it up again, i promise no jail this time....

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                                                                      • Rick Latona
                                                                        The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                        • 6037

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by brand0n
                                                                        great read

                                                                        rick, i need to shoot down there and talk to you in a week or so about something else signup4cash has in mind.

                                                                        whens a good time to come down and where is a nice place to stay?
                                                                        Just let me know when you are coming. I'll be here throughout most of the month.
                                                                        Regards,

                                                                        Rick Latona
                                                                        http://latonas.com

                                                                        Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                                                                        Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                                                                        • Makingcoin
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                          • 8919

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Great read. thanks

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                                                                          • m00d
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                            • 3129

                                                                            #38

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                                                                            • brand0n
                                                                              been very busy
                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                              • 26983

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                              i hear the atlanta jail has nice accomodations....haha

                                                                              seriously, if you wanna be right by their office stay at the Omni, it is right next door...well, almost

                                                                              hit me up when you come though, stay an extra day and we will woop it up again, i promise no jail this time....
                                                                              thanks jace, and yea man u know ill defently get up with ya once im down.
                                                                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                              • scoreman
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                • 1491

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Chargebacks occur at FDR (First Data) for less than $25.00. First data currently does the large bulk of all IPSP business, although that is set to change here very soon. CCBill does not run their charges through FDR but they too have chargebacks for less than $25.00

                                                                                Upselling, whenever there will be multiple charges from the same source on a credit card gets extra scrutiny from the consumer and the banks. Be it cross-selling, or upselling within the member's area the level of chargebacks is always higher with these products. You have to have a strong product behind them backed with good customer service or you will quickly butt up againt 1% if you push any real volume.

                                                                                I have been told in the past by a few different folks high up in the IPSP chain of command that chargebacks increase incrementally by the raise in pricing point. With the exact same product you will see higher chargebacks the higher your price point. Many IPSPs will not take charges over $50 as they have found that consumers "see" those charges alot more than usual and the visibility results in significantly higher chargebacks.

                                                                                That was a very informative read Rick, too bad instead of reading it yesterday we instead had to take that 5 hr detour through mudfields to get here. GFY needs it drama I guess.

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                                                                                • Raf1
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                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                  • 12117

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  good read
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                                                                                  • Chris Mallick
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                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                    • 679

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                                    He was telling me that "some or many" banks won't initiate a chargeback if all charges related were at 25 dollars or less.

                                                                                    This is correct information based upon a statistical analysis of chargebacks.

                                                                                    Nice article Rick!

                                                                                    Chris Mallick
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                                                                                    • MicroChick
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                                      • 1277

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Rick, interesting article. I have seen many strong tough individuals brought to their knees by chargebacks. Chargebacks are not new to the porn industry or the internet. Many of those who got their start in the *900* phone business went out of business due to excessive chargebacks.

                                                                                      I have never heard of one bank who didn't issue chargebacks simply because the membership fee was low. In fact, I know webmasters who got into chargeback hell charging only $9.95 a month. There are too many wimps and crooks who want to get something for nothing, even if it means calling their banks and lying through their teeth.

                                                                                      Are you suggesting the answer is to use your own personal merchant's account? How many people do you know who have the kind of credit necessary to do this? Why would anyone want to use their own account when dealing with dishonest porn webmasters and scuzzy members (mostly young white men) who have no intention of paying a membership fee?

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                                                                                      • JFK
                                                                                        FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                        • 67373

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Thanks Rick , I actually read the magazine last nite

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                                                                                        • Rick Latona
                                                                                          The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                          • 6037

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Chris Mallick
                                                                                          This is correct information based upon a statistical analysis of chargebacks.

                                                                                          Nice article Rick!
                                                                                          There you have it, folks.
                                                                                          Regards,

                                                                                          Rick Latona
                                                                                          http://latonas.com

                                                                                          Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                                                                                          Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                                                                                          • MicroChick
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                            • 1277

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Chris & Rick, where does one find this statistical information about bank chargebacks? I would like for it to be true, but that has not been my experience. I think a valid reference regarding this information would be valuable to all of us. Right now, it is just a casual comment coming from a webmaster.

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                                                                                            • Rick Latona
                                                                                              The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                              • 6037

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by MicroChick
                                                                                              Rick, interesting article. I have seen many strong tough individuals brought to their knees by chargebacks. Chargebacks are not new to the porn industry or the internet. Many of those who got their start in the *900* phone business went out of business due to excessive chargebacks.

                                                                                              I have never heard of one bank who didn't issue chargebacks simply because the membership fee was low. In fact, I know webmasters who got into chargeback hell charging only $9.95 a month. There are too many wimps and crooks who want to get something for nothing, even if it means calling their banks and lying through their teeth.

                                                                                              Are you suggesting the answer is to use your own personal merchant's account? How many people do you know who have the kind of credit necessary to do this? Why would anyone want to use their own account when dealing with dishonest porn webmasters and scuzzy members (mostly young white men) who have no intention of paying a membership fee?
                                                                                              I think the point is that the percentage drops drastically, if the price point is at that or lower. The more you charge, the more you are at risk.
                                                                                              Regards,

                                                                                              Rick Latona
                                                                                              http://latonas.com

                                                                                              Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties
                                                                                              Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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                                                                                              • MicroChick
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                • 1277

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                "I think the point is that the percentage drops drastically, if the price point is at that or lower. The more you charge, the more you are at risk."

                                                                                                Rick, wouldn't you think that webmasters would have realized that charging outlandish fees like $39.95 for a monthly membership was way out of line? I stopped joining sites when the price went over $14.95. Nothing is worth it. I'm not that familiar with you and your websites, but didn't you charge those same high fees? Show me one webmaster who really cares about his members. Everyone is out for a buck no matter who gets hurt.

                                                                                                The porn industry needs to be shaken up. There are far too many lowlife idiots who don't give a damn.
                                                                                                Last edited by MicroChick; 06-02-2004, 09:04 AM.

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                                                                                                • Rick Latona
                                                                                                  The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                  • 6037

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by MicroChick
                                                                                                  "I think the point is that the percentage drops drastically, if the price point is at that or lower. The more you charge, the more you are at risk."

                                                                                                  Rich, wouldn't you think that webmasters would have realized that charging outlandish fees like $39.95 for a monthly membership was way out of line? I stopped joining sites when the price went over $14.95. Nothing is worth it. I'm not that familiar with you and your websites, but didn't you charge those same high fees? Show me one webmaster who really cares about his members. Everyone is out for a buck no matter who gets hurt.

                                                                                                  The porn industry needs to be shaken up. There are far too many lowlife idiots who don't give a damn.
                                                                                                  No, we don't charge those fees and never have. However, we send traffic to programs that charge those fees so I'm by no means innocent. And my company and many other companies care deeply about the consumer. Read my other articles about running your buisness like an entertainment company rather than a processing company. My partners and I own some of the biggest "brands" in adult and you can't do that by scamming or bullshitting your way through the consumer pool.
                                                                                                  Regards,

                                                                                                  Rick Latona
                                                                                                  http://latonas.com

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                                                                                                  • smack
                                                                                                    Push Porn Like Weight.
                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                    • 10652

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    that's a great read rick thanks! you always bring good buisness oriented posts here. a rarity, but not an un-appreciated one.

                                                                                                    thanks!
                                                                                                    Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

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