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10-23-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Why an I an idiot? You dont own the signal. In order to pull the signal you need to have an unobstructed view of the Directv satellite. The dish then brings in the signal and your box and software decodes it. The Directv system can not work without a direct line of site of one of there satellites.

about 280 million americans have that direct line of sight....
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10-23-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male
Ok I have not been very clear in what I am trying to convey.

The DirecTV signal is a line of site signal. Some people can not even pick up a signal or get the service. For those that can get the service you need to be VERY precise when lining up your dish with the satellite. You are not using a wave that has bounced off someone elses house you are pointing your dish at the ACTUAL satellite.

I will admit I do not know the details about what waves are bouncing around and where if you are in plain site of one of the 5 DirectV satellites, but to capture the signal it does take effort and you are not using a signal that is just randomly bouncing around. The effort to get the signal and decode it is theft. You can get as technical as you want but you are NOT utilizing a wave bouncing off a house or anywhere else that is "your property". You need to be in the line of site. You then need to decode the signal. That is theft.

To say that the waves bouncing around your property make it yours if you can crack it is insane. You cant pull a signal from pointing your dish at a tree in your yard. It wont work.

I'm getting the imopression that you feel it's illegial for me to LOOK at something from my property.

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10-23-2003, 06:29 PM

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10-23-2003, 06:30 PM

fuck my fraternity house says that they have a letter for me from them... it was my idea in 2001 to buy 8 cards ... hmmmmmmm where can I go to not get summoned
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10-23-2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

that's like saying I can't legally LOOK at a satilitte with my telescope

Not at all. Where did I say that? The signal is digitized and encrypted for a reason. That is there property. They pay for the satellites, they pay for the content and transmission of that signal. Subscribers support that service like any other business. If everyone stole the signal they would go out of business.

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10-23-2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Then why is DirectTV suing and winning against people who are doing what you say is legal. Why do they bother encoding it?

and an old lady won a lawsuit against mcdonalds for spillin coffee on her for millions.

bullshit lawsuits. most are thrown out of court. most are won by the people who are decoding the signals.

but like any lawsuit , some lose. not many, but some do

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10-23-2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Why an I an idiot? You dont own the signal. In order to pull the signal you need to have an unobstructed view of the Directv satellite. The dish then brings in the signal and your box and software decodes it. The Directv system can not work without a direct line of site of one of there satellites.

ahh - so you can beam a signal onto me and my property that you still retain OWNERSHIP of.

what next - you can shoot me with a bullet and then you'll want the bullet back cause you think you still own it?

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10-23-2003, 06:33 PM

A friend of mine went through this and these letters from Direct TV and they are doing nothing but a fishing expedition to get as many people to confess as possible. They cant prove shit.
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10-23-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

I'm getting the imopression that you feel it's illegial for me to LOOK at something from my property.

I am speaking of the encoded signal. Twist it how you want. Its theft of services to take there encoded signal and crack it. Show me documentation to the contrary.

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10-23-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Not at all. Where did I say that? The signal is digitized and encrypted for a reason. That is there property. They pay for the satellites, they pay for the content and transmission of that signal. Subscribers support that service like any other business. If everyone stole the signal they would go out of business.

you suggest that someone can bean something onto my propery that i can't look into..............

it the same thing as if the satilitte had a code written on it and I look at at it with my telescope and tried to decode to myself and you said that was illegial..........

it's not. It' s up to the satelitte companies to stay ahead of the curve in decoding technology and not for them to deprive us of our INHERENT property rights.

next thing that will happen is they'll be telling us what books we can and can't read.

you can decode ANYTHING beamed onto you property LEGALLY.

FACT

if that's taken away we loose a basic fundimental part of our freedom

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10-23-2003, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

ahh - so you can beam a signal onto me and my property that you still retain OWNERSHIP of.

what next - you can shoot me with a bullet and then you'll want the bullet back cause you think you still own it?

Its a signal you can't see. Who is supposed to pay for these broadcasts?? Without subscribers they dont exist. You wouldnt have satellite TV. Who cares if the waves are on or near your property. Put a tin foil hat on and start a petition to stop those pesky waves.

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10-23-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

I am speaking of the encoded signal. Twist it how you want. Its theft of services to take there encoded signal and crack it. Show me documentation to the contrary.

there is NO documentation to prove this either - other than BOGUS commericals made by cable companies spreading their propaganda.

it's LEGAL to decode ANYTHING beamed onto your property. You have the right to understand any language you want to learn or uncode.

next you'll tell me that i don'thave the right to learn spanish unless i pay you.

it's LEGAL to decode anything. You cann't make laws in a free socirty to stop people from UNDERSTANDING.

i HAVE the right to decode and understand anything beamed onto my property

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10-23-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

you suggest that someone can bean something onto my propery that i can't look into..............

it the same thing as if the satilitte had a code written on it and I look at at it with my telescope and tried to decode to myself and you said that was illegial..........

it's not. It' s up to the satelitte companies to stay ahead of the curve in decoding technology and not for them to deprive us of our INHERENT property rights.

next thing that will happen is they'll be telling us what books we can and can't read.

you can decode ANYTHING beamed onto you property LEGALLY.

FACT

if that's taken away we loose a basic fundimental part of our freedom

And the successful law suites and the millions of dollars that these satellite companies use to stop this theft are for what reason?

No one is suing any radio, TV, or Satellite broadcaster for beaming signals onto there property.

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10-23-2003, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Do you even have a dish? If there are trees in the wrong spot you cant pick up the satellite signal. They have 5 satellites and you need a clear unobstructed view of one of them (depending on where you live) in the sky. You are utilizing the waves coming directly from the satellite not from a bounced wave.

My point is any "stray"waves can not be utilized. The wave is NOT your property that was the original argument.

I don't watch enough tv to bother getting a dish. However much of my childhood was spent around astronomical observatories thus I easily comprehend "where" things are in the sky. Yes trees, buildings, mountains, etc. can get in the way of a signal at any given location but what does that have to do with legality?

Your voice isn't my property either, but if I can hear it there's nothing illegal about listening to it.

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10-23-2003, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Its a signal you can't see. Who is supposed to pay for these broadcasts?? Without subscribers they dont exist. You wouldnt have satellite TV. Who cares if the waves are on or near your property. Put a tin foil hat on and start a petition to stop those pesky waves.

now you're totally full of shit - TV existed for dozens of years without subscription. it will still exist if subscription totally ends tomorrow. guess how - ADS dumbass.

ads pay for TV, sat and cable was just someone's idea to double charge for a service that was already free.

it's the sat companies obligation to stay ahead of the descramblers.

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10-23-2003, 06:44 PM

This thread has gotten quite interesting from a legal standpoint.

It does make an interesting legal point that if someone is beaming signals into your property then you should be able to do whatever you want with those signals.

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10-23-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

And the successful law suites and the millions of dollars that these satellite companies use to stop this theft are for what reason?

No one is suing any radio, TV, or Satellite broadcaster for beaming signals onto there property.

show me a sucessful lawsuit against a home user. there isn't any.

they CAN legally sue a company that's making the devices on trademark and orther grounds though....... but it's almost impossible to sue someone for home non-commerical use.

you're full of shit.

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10-23-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by NetRodent

Lets see the satellites are up in the sky (granted a particular part of the sky) but unless you live somewhere pretty shitty the sky is always line of sight.

If you talk loud enough that I can hear you on my property is it stealing to listen to your conversation? Would it be stealing if you spoke in an uncommon language and I had to use a translation dictionary?

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10-23-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

And the successful law suites and the millions of dollars that these satellite companies use to stop this theft are for what reason?

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10-23-2003, 06:48 PM

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10-23-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Its a signal you can't see. Who is supposed to pay for these broadcasts?? Without subscribers they dont exist. You wouldnt have satellite TV. Who cares if the waves are on or near your property. Put a tin foil hat on and start a petition to stop those pesky waves.

Why does it matter if a signal is visible or not? Does it somehow become technical mumbo jumbo if you can't see it or touch it?

Its not my problem who is supposed to pay for this service. The problem is they chose a flawed business model. If you sing on a street corner, you can't ask people not to listen if they haven't paid you.

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10-23-2003, 06:49 PM

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Who cares, the new P5 cards are gonna kill pirating for a while, sine they are taking out the hu stream in a few months

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10-23-2003, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by SleazyDream

now you're totally full of shit - TV existed for dozens of years without subscription. it will still exist if subscription totally ends tomorrow. guess how - ADS dumbass.

ads pay for TV, sat and cable was just someone's idea to double charge for a service that was already free.

it's the sat companies obligation to stay ahead of the descramblers.

Ahh the name calling. TV can not even come close to the quality and quantity of programming that these services offer. To be able to watch a live broadcast in near real time from across the globe is made possible by this technology. Technology has to be paid for one way or another and usualy its by the end user. Deal with it. It still doesn't make it legal to crack there encoded signal.

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10-23-2003, 06:52 PM

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Time for you to wake up. Technology and advancement comes at a price. These things arent free. Powerlines go over my property. Does that mean I can tap into them because they are ON MY PROPERTY. Is that legal?? NO. I can't tap into my phone line that is ATTACHED to my house without having a paid subscription thats not legal either. Its Theft of Services. Like it or not the service has to be paid for.

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10-23-2003, 06:59 PM

I feel that sleazy contrary to his usual self (hot dog machine included) has raised enough points to try and make you understand that what you are saying is flawed, I wont bother arguing with you cause your acting as if you work for dtv lol...
you should do some research about the company and see what kind of dirt you will find
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10-23-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Time for you to wake up. Technology and advancement comes at a price. These things arent free. Powerlines go over my property. Does that mean I can tap into them because they are ON MY PROPERTY. Is that legal?? NO. I can't tap into my phone line that is ATTACHED to my house without having a paid subscription thats not legal either. Its Theft of Services. Like it or not the service has to be paid for.

The power company needs a permit or right of way to cross your property with its lines. That's a fact.

I know it costs money to do R&D and provide services. But that doesn't mean that you can trespass on other people's property or tell them what they can build.

If you can use the power of government to restrict me from building a decoder or sat dish, you are stripping me of my freedom. I didn't ask you to beam signals to my property.

Your time would be better spent developing a way to encrypt your signal so that it would be so costly to replicate it outside your technology that people would rather pay your price than try to do it themselves.
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10-23-2003, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by doober
I feel that sleazy contrary to his usual self (hot dog machine included) has raised enough points to try and make you understand that what you are saying is flawed, I wont bother arguing with you cause your acting as if you work for dtv lol...
you should do some research about the company and see what kind of dirt you will find

Hey, I raised those points. He repeated them!
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10-23-2003, 07:03 PM

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10-23-2003, 07:04 PM

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10-23-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Time for you to wake up. Technology and advancement comes at a price. These things arent free. Powerlines go over my property. Does that mean I can tap into them because they are ON MY PROPERTY. Is that legal?? NO. I can't tap into my phone line that is ATTACHED to my house without having a paid subscription thats not legal either. Its Theft of Services. Like it or not the service has to be paid for.

Your examples are not quite same. By tapping into either the phone or the power lines you are consuming a share of a limited resource. You are also physically altering hardware belonging to the phone or power company.

You are right, everything has a price. However do you want to live in a society where the price is determined by the courts or the free market? Which sort of society do you think inspires innovation and which one stifles it?

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10-23-2003, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by doober
I feel that sleazy contrary to his usual self (hot dog machine included) has raised enough points to try and make you understand that what you are saying is flawed, I wont bother arguing with you cause your acting as if you work for dtv lol...
you should do some research about the company and see what kind of dirt you will find

I don't work for DirecTv nor do I agree with them. I am famailer with the fishing expedition they are on now. They are targetting mail lists from decoder companies that have been put out of business and busted (BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL). How they are going about getting the people that using the service for free is wrong.

I do however understand that services have to be paid for. Your not going to get the NFL ticket on regular television nor the programming these services can offer. They do have a value. The satellites alone are very expensive to operate. It is a business. Like I said before twist it how you want. People want everything for nothing now days.

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10-23-2003, 07:11 PM

So I take it you support the Acacia patent?
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10-23-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Buff
So I take it you support the Acacia patent?

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10-23-2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by NetRodent

Your examples are not quite same. By tapping into either the phone or the power lines you are consuming a share of a limited resource. You are also physically altering hardware belonging to the phone or power company.

You are right, everything has a price. However do you want to live in a society where the price is determined by the courts or the free market? Which sort of society do you think inspires innovation and which one stifles it?

Ok I can see where you are coming from here. And I do agree. I want a society that inspires innovation. But if paying 30-70 bucks a month for a service is going to stifle innovation I don't what to say. Its all how one wants to rationalize it. I am not a huge Direct supporter by any means. I just got involved in this thread because I do know there is a difference between bounced radio waves and the Directv signal.

I am probably still not conveying what I am thinking properly. Think of it this way. Unlike cable television, which requires a wire running from the street into a home. DirecTV delivers its product via a satellite signal. A receiver inside the home is used to translate code gathered by an outside dish pointed toward satellites in orbit. NOT WAVES bouncing around your house.

No maybe splicing into cable television is ok for some of you as well but just because Directv does not have the same type of business model doesn't mean they should offer there product for free.

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10-23-2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Ok I can see where you are coming from here. And I do agree. I want a society that inspires innovation. But if paying 30-70 bucks a month for a service is going to stifle innovation I don't what to say. Its all how one wants to rationalize it. I am not a huge Direct supporter by any means. I just got involved in this thread because I do know there is a difference between bounced radio waves and the Directv signal.

I am probably still not conveying what I am thinking properly. Think of it this way. Unlike cable television, which requires a wire running from the street into a home. DirecTV delivers its product via a satellite signal. A receiver inside the home is used to translate code gathered by an outside dish pointed toward satellites in orbit. NOT WAVES bouncing around your house.

No maybe splicing into cable television is ok for some of you as well but just because Directv does not have the same type of business model doesn't mean they should offer there product for free.

Stealing someone else's property is immoral and I do not condone it. Tapping into a cable company's wire outside on a telephone pole is immoral -- it's theft. But receiving and decoding Sat Signals being beamed at my house, without paying the Sat company, is no more stealing than using my radio or television or using the light of the sun to read by.
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10-23-2003, 07:22 PM

What a crock. The guys claiming its not theft would be the first ones to scream if their paysite gets hacked or gallery designs stolen. I get direcTv and the service is worth the money.

It seemed like Sex Traffic Pete was a hero around here when he was ripping off the dumb surfers with spam and other dirty tricks. He only became an "evil-doer" when started screwing other webmasters.....
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10-23-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Buff
So I take it you support the Acacia patent?

No I don't. We can keep going if you want. Acacia purchased a bullshit patent and is a company made up of lawyers and theory nothing more. DirecTv is an established business. For Fucks sake they have 5 Satellites in the sky bringing people programming around the world 24-7. Its a tangible business.

That is not vaporware and not even comparable to Acacia.

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10-23-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by asuna
Who cares, the new P5 cards are gonna kill pirating for a while, sine they are taking out the hu stream in a few months

More like another year. It seems that there is major security flaws in the new cards....

I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

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10-23-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by NetRodent

Its not my problem who is supposed to pay for this service. The problem is they chose a flawed business model. If you sing on a street corner, you can't ask people not to listen if they haven't paid you.

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10-23-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by ronbotx
What a crock. The guys claiming its not theft would be the first ones to scream if their paysite gets hacked or gallery designs stolen. I get direcTv and the service is worth the money.

It seemed like Sex Traffic Pete was a hero around here when he was ripping off the dumb surfers with spam and other dirty tricks. He only became an "evil-doer" when started screwing other webmasters.....

Again, that's not the same thing -- I am not beaming my site out to you. You are coming to my site. I do not fly into space and hack into your satellite. Your satellite beams signals onto my lawn.
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10-23-2003, 07:26 PM

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10-23-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Ahh the name calling. TV can not even come close to the quality and quantity of programming that these services offer. To be able to watch a live broadcast in near real time from across the globe is made possible by this technology. Technology has to be paid for one way or another and usualy its by the end user. Deal with it. It still doesn't make it legal to crack there encoded signal.

same broadcasts can are being sent for free via airwaves - digital too. paid for by ADS

dumb arguement from a dumb man.

i thini you work for a sat company, cause only someone PAID by them could make such STUPID arguememts.

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10-23-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

Time for you to wake up. Technology and advancement comes at a price. These things arent free. Powerlines go over my property. Does that mean I can tap into them because they are ON MY PROPERTY. Is that legal?? NO. I can't tap into my phone line that is ATTACHED to my house without having a paid subscription thats not legal either. Its Theft of Services. Like it or not the service has to be paid for.

i doubt the power lines go over your property. a poer line that you AGREED TO is fed to your house - different.

if you don't want it you can have it removed.

I can't stop these damn sat signals from landing on my property though

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10-23-2003, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

I don't work for DirecTv nor do I agree with them. I am famailer with the fishing expedition they are on now. They are targetting mail lists from decoder companies that have been put out of business and busted (BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL). How they are going about getting the people that using the service for free is wrong.

I do however understand that services have to be paid for. Your not going to get the NFL ticket on regular television nor the programming these services can offer. They do have a value. The satellites alone are very expensive to operate. It is a business. Like I said before twist it how you want. People want everything for nothing now days.

you want to limit freedom.

go back to russia

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10-23-2003, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male
No maybe splicing into cable television is ok for some of you as well but just because Directv does not have the same type of business model doesn't mean they should offer there product for free.

Quite right, they shouldn't offer their service for free. They should offer their product in such a way that it is not viable to use the service without paying.

If I was sitting at home watching you and Furious_Female (I assume the two of you are connected) going at it through my telescope, would it be better to sue me or simply close the curtains?

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10-23-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

I am probably still not conveying what I am thinking properly. Think of it this way. Unlike cable television, which requires a wire running from the street into a home. DirecTV delivers its product via a satellite signal. A receiver inside the home is used to translate code gathered by an outside dish pointed toward satellites in orbit. NOT WAVES bouncing around your house.

if there were no waved bouncing around my house i wouldn't be able to get the signal would I?

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10-23-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Buff

Stealing someone else's property is immoral and I do not condone it. Tapping into a cable company's wire outside on a telephone pole is immoral -- it's theft. But receiving and decoding Sat Signals being beamed at my house, without paying the Sat company, is no more stealing than using my radio or television or using the light of the sun to read by.

I think one of the points we are disagreeing on here is the fact that you have to make an attempt to utilize any of those beams. A dish has to be pointed at the satellite in the sky. It has to be precise.

So stealing cable is bad but taking that is ok. I suppose hacking a private satellite network is legal as well if your home just so happens to be close enough to a business to pick up the signal. Tell that to a judge.

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10-23-2003, 07:32 PM

i musta had too many beers.... I could've swore the thread title said "DTV sues Flanders!"

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10-23-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Male

I think one of the points we are disagreeing on here is the fact that you have to make an attempt to utilize any of those beams. A dish has to be pointed at the satellite in the sky. It has to be precise.

So stealing cable is bad but taking that is ok. I suppose hacking a private satellite network is legal as well if your home just so happens to be close enough to a business to pick up the signal. Tell that to a judge.

you can't define percise.

I happen to be pointing my dish at the alpha centra star system, looking for extreestial life. that fucking satelitte was just in the way.

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10-23-2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by ronbotx
What a crock. The guys claiming its not theft would be the first ones to scream if their paysite gets hacked or gallery designs stolen. I get direcTv and the service is worth the money.

Our sites are cracked, or should I say attempted to be cracked, dozens if not hundreds of times each day. We haven't sued anyone, we just reworked our login system to make cracking our site very difficult and virtually impossible to share the passwords.

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