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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!!
these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS.
this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS.
they are using webmaster databases to contact people.
Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./
LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.
I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this.
I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them.
And I surely will not push such a company.
you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down.
The only company I'm affiliated with on that list is MATRIX CONTENT! Now that you bring it up... interestingCelebPay: Promote Celebrity Reviews
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As I said, why wouldnt they go after a CONTENT PROVIDER RECORDS?Originally posted by Jamie
The only company I'm affiliated with on that list is MATRIX CONTENT! Now that you bring it up... interesting
'By theory if you bought Matrix content, all acacia would have to do is get Matrix to hand over all their records and contact all the people who bought videos from them.'
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I can email you about it later on today but i have a bad feeling that you wont like what i have to say..Originally posted by Fletch XXX
doober you can email me anything with extreme confidentiality and I will not pass it on, i want to find out who it is.
I cannot pin pioint it to Hustler, but it has to have been someone!
hhehehe
email me
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I will defenitely not mentione it here, If i did im sure 100 people would accuse me of lying in 2.2 seconds...considering the true gfy spiritComment
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I care not man.Originally posted by doober
I can email you about it later on today but i have a bad feeling that you wont like what i have to say..
I will defenitely not mentione it here, If i did im sure 100 people would accuse me of lying in 2.2 seconds...considering the true gfy spirit
Email me ANYTHING, I just want to hear what you have to say and I know theres no reason to do it in public yet with all the speculation and such.
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hmmmmOriginally posted by Jamie
The only company I'm affiliated with on that list is MATRIX CONTENT! Now that you bring it up... interestingI post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.Comment
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Call them and tell them to shove it up their asses.. I'm waiting for those dipshits to send me a letter.. even though I don't have video and my hosting, corporation, and EVERYTHING is in Canada. They are just that dense. They don't do much research.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
The papers do not even give a URL, just a threat and that I have until November 30 to pay
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yepOriginally posted by BRISK
hmmmm
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holy cow
hmmmm
this would be a very sad turn for the industry as a whole if it turns out to be true
rack your brain doll .. is there ANYWHERE else your true address is on file besides content providers and sponsors? I'm hoping the answer is yes
I prefer to error on the side of caution but thinking someone that settled may have disclosed this sort of thing just doesn't sound .... oh hell i dunno, I just don't want to imagine them doing itLast edited by vicki; 10-22-2003, 12:14 PM.If at first you do succeed - try to hide your astonishment.
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Hey Brad, I am in Canada too, and I also received this letter this morning.Originally posted by Brad-Wishing
... on a personal level I am in Canada. So whatever.
So, are we out of their reach ? If yes why did guys at Platinum uckes paid the licence, they are in Ontario.. ???
ACACIA
I had a girl called me this after-noon because i do design (she told me about 3xwebdesign.com which doesn't have any video on it, and also my paysite on which I use 3rd party leased content with some videosComment
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You mean like what I have been responding to in the 12clicks vs. Fight The Patent thread??Originally posted by doober
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99.9% says that platinum bucks has a US entity to allow them to do biz, thats why they paidOriginally posted by qwebecexpo
Hey Brad, I am in Canada too, and I also received this letter this morning.
So, are we out of their reach ? If yes why did guys at Platinum uckes paid the licence, they are in Ontario.. ???
ACACIA
I had a girl called me this after-noon because i do design (she told me about 3xwebdesign.com which doesn't have any video on it, and also my paysite on which I use 3rd party leased content with some videos
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i just got the same letter....Originally posted by Fletch XXX
They are coming after me for having my portfolio!
what a joke.
ill throw this away like the rest of the crap mail.
'You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website without a license'
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No way.Originally posted by vicki
rack your brain doll .. is there ANYWHERE else your true address is on file besides content providers and sponsors? I'm hoping the answer is yes
Ive had a PO box since before I started in this business and have used that address for ALL my site whois, the ONLY place they got my addy was a sponsors database.
And due to 'whom' it was addressed, it even dates it to a very old account, which would be again pin pointing a very small number of programs (2) so it could be them.
Other than that, there is no place else.
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so they ARE calling people too?Originally posted by qwebecexpo
I had a girl called me this after-noon because i do design (she told me about 3xwebdesign.com which doesn't have any video on it, and also my paysite on which I use 3rd party leased content with some videos
Great, no doubt these companies have our phone numbers from wherever they got our addy.
greeeat.
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Nice to know confidentiality agreements are honored, eh?Originally posted by Fletch XXX
so they ARE calling people too?
Great, no doubt these companies have our phone numbers from wherever they got our addy.
greeeat.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!!
these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS.
this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS.
they are using webmaster databases to contact people.
Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./
LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.
I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this.
I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them.
And I surely will not push such a company.
you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down.
Fletch XXX,
I ASSURE YOU that they are not getting ANY information from Hustler. We (WebQuest) maintain all of Hustler's affiliate information so I can personally gaurantee you that information is NOT being provided to Acacia by Hustler.
Hustler settled for it's own business reasons, but Hustler will NEVER assist Acacia in going after other companies in our industry.
I have a history and reputation of integrity and honesty in this business. You have my word that Hustler is not the culprit here.Comment
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Thanks for the assurance.Originally posted by Ken
Fletch XXX,
I ASSURE YOU that they are not getting ANY information from Hustler. We (WebQuest) maintain all of Hustler's affiliate information so I can personally gaurantee you that information is NOT being provided to Acacia by Hustler.
Hustler settled for it's own business reasons, but Hustler will NEVER assist Acacia in going after other companies in our industry.
I have a history and reputation of integrity and honesty in this business. You have my word that Hustler is not the culprit here.
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your saying acacia actually called you up?Originally posted by qwebecexpo
I had a girl called me this after-noon because i do design (she told me about 3xwebdesign.com which doesn't have any video on it, and also my paysite on which I use 3rd party leased content with some videoswe'll miss you our friend. RIPComment
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not sure but I think he mentioned that he called them this morningOriginally posted by quiet
your saying acacia actually called you up?Comment
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It wont be long before Acacia comes after spammers cause we send out links to websites that may provide video.
Personaly, my plan is that if they ever send me one of those letters, I will let them sue me, and beat it cause I have video nowhere, and then counter sue.Comment
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Originally posted by Furious_Male
I can understand a company making some sort of settlement with Acacia for there own good but if that settlement involves giving out there affiliate database that is total bullshit.
Ok guys.
I GUARANTEE you that affiliate programs lists have been used by Acacia to send out packets.
I will give you an example from here in Australia. Months ago a guy came to my house with an Acacia packet. The packet was not addressed by his name, but his affiliate account name, which was somewhat obscene and he was embarrassed because he knows the people at the post office and didn't want his adult business known, and now it was out.
Yes the packet was not addressed to him, his affiliate name.
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Anyone turning over info should be boycotted. I can not blame people for giving into Acacia on a business level, but turning over affiliate info is inexcusable.Sig too big
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I JUST FIGURED IT OUT!!!!
these fuckers are getting the mailing addresses from AFFILIATE PROGRAMS.
this letter came to my HOME and not the address I have on my WHOIS.
they are using webmaster databases to contact people.
Here is a list of the people on the papers I was served that have settled and are MOST DEFINITELY PASSING ON OUR INFO to acacia./
LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.
I assure you now, i am only affiliated with Hustler and Platinum, and I will remove all links because of this.
I wont be shit on by a company who is settling with acacia, and turning over my personal info to them.
And I surely will not push such a company.
you guys better rethink shit if this is how its going down.
These questions are coming in many threads.. I've posted a thread addressing this specific issue to consolidate everyones concern. http://gofuckyourself.com/showthrea...threadid=188892
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I got the same mail today, and I'm not a designer. I'm a lowly webmistress with a woefully unsurfed site--it's used for free sites and AVS sites. And I don't use streaming vids on it, either.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
maybe they view animations as video hahaha
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Fletch you got mailComment
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
The papers do not even give a URL, just a threat and that I have until November 30 to pay
hahaha
Send back the unopened evelope with 'return to sender - addresse unknown' ESPECIALLY if it is addressed improperlyComment
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by BradShaw
Anyone turning over info should be boycotted. I can not blame people for giving into Acacia on a business level, but turning over affiliate info is inexcusable.
I agree 100%Comment
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exactly ...Originally posted by BradShaw
Anyone turning over info should be boycotted. I can not blame people for giving into Acacia on a business level, but turning over affiliate info is inexcusable.
and they admitted to acquiring "new patent portfolios" today ...
the key to the information age is information ...
they're collecting it ...
<H3>I will NOT report to Acacia</h3>
did you really think this was surprise (affiliate info) ...
next they will "marketing" to your customers directly ...Comment
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Agreed.Originally posted by BradShaw
Anyone turning over info should be boycotted. I can not blame people for giving into Acacia on a business level, but turning over affiliate info is inexcusable.
There is absolutely NO excuse for giving out affiliates' personal information without a court order.
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This is the lamest thing a sponsor can do give affiliate infos to Acacia..
LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.
Boycott them all
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
No way.
Ive had a PO box since before I started in this business and have used that address for ALL my site whois, the ONLY place they got my addy was a sponsors database.
And due to 'whom' it was addressed, it even dates it to a very old account, which would be again pin pointing a very small number of programs (2) so it could be them.
Other than that, there is no place else.
Damn!
where the hell has integrity gone
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Brad if someone is actually doing this to purposely hurt other companies they should be shot not just boycotted.Originally posted by BradShaw
Anyone turning over info should be boycotted. I can not blame people for giving into Acacia on a business level, but turning over affiliate info is inexcusable.
Platinum Bucks would never ever do such a thing.
I am shocked and apauled that this could actually be happening.Comment
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------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ
This is the lamest thing a sponsor can do give affiliate infos to Acacia..
LFP (Hustler)
Interactive Gallery a subsidiary of New Frontier Media
Cyberotica
Sex Check AVS
Matrix Content
Vivid Entertainment
Wicked Pictures
Platinum Bucks.
Boycott them all
You should probably get your facts straight before implying that all the companies on that list have done anything wrong and asking people to boycott them.
Fletch XXX and Hooper have both stated that they have PROVEN that it was NOT Hustler or Platinum Bucks and we run Vivid's affiliate program as well, so it wasn't them.
I have no idea if a sponsor sold affiliates out, but if they did, I agree with Platinum Dave....they should be shot.Comment
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After Ken reminded me that 'Webquest' ran Flynts sites, it couldnt be them. And Platinum didnt match up in the end either, again clearly why its not fast to jump to a conclusion.For that I apologize to both Hustler and Platinum.
It sucks the way they are USING Larry Flynts name to persue this the way they are.
Really not cool, and I understand its beyond your control but they really are using a very select few names to try and prove that you should pay them.
ANY letter that carries names like LFP, CE Cash, PLatinum, Matrix TCG is pretty big in my opinion.
And to see them using your names (regardless of the business choice of paying them) sucks to be honest.
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you're surprised this happened? This is the porn industry. you cant have your cake and eat it too
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------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by Fletch XXX
After Ken reminded me that 'Webquest' ran Flynts sites, it couldnt be them. And Platinum didnt match up in the end either, again clearly why its not fast to jump to a conclusion.For that I apologize to both Hustler and Platinum.
It sucks the way they are USING Larry Flynts name to persue this the way they are.
Really not cool, and I understand its beyond your control but they really are using a very select few names to try and prove that you should pay them.
ANY letter that carries names like LFP, CE Cash, PLatinum, Matrix TCG is pretty big in my opinion.
And to see them using your names (regardless of the business choice of paying them) sucks to be honest.
Fletch XXX,
Thanks for the apology man. I appreciate it. I know this whole thing has everyone pissed off and frustrated.
I also wish they would not use our name in their letters. It totally sucks. If I could stop that from happening, I would in a heart beat. VERY frustrating......Comment
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I thought CE Cash was fighting this or something?Originally posted by Ken
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Fletch XXX,
Thanks for the apology man. I appreciate it. I know this whole thing has everyone pissed off and frustrated.
I also wish they would not use our name in their letters. It totally sucks. If I could stop that from happening, I would in a heart beat. VERY frustrating......
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i actually threw mine away todayOriginally posted by Fletch XXX
They are coming after me for having my portfolio!
what a joke.
ill throw this away like the rest of the crap mail.
'You provide access to digital audio/video content via your website without a license'
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Ken, with all due respect, it seems something could have been done about them using your name. They don't list every licensee signed.. only you and a few others. Seems like others negotiated to remain anonymous...Originally posted by Ken
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Fletch XXX,
Thanks for the apology man. I appreciate it. I know this whole thing has everyone pissed off and frustrated.
I also wish they would not use our name in their letters. It totally sucks. If I could stop that from happening, I would in a heart beat. VERY frustrating......
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Originally posted by Ken
I also wish they would not use our name in their letters. It totally sucks. If I could stop that from happening, I would in a heart beat. VERY frustrating......
or in 3rd Quarter conference calls... parading Hustlers name before the stockholders meeting.
Their CEO was very quick to point out that known companies names could be used in their PR, etc... but with other lesser known companies, the confidentiality of the deal was kept silent.
So Hustler's popularity in mainstream is the reason why they can use Hustler's name, while the other companies aren't listed.
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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
i actually threw mine away today
You should have saved it.. when the patent gets invalidated, it might be worth something on eBay!
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Really don?t like that a sponsor sold their affiliate list. However receiving a letter not documenting anything really doesn?t matter. If your address is wrong, two certified letters come your way another story.
Members of this bb, trying to gain creditability or post counts should be ashamed. Post the sponsor and take the heat but please no excuses.
I don?t think sponsors have to defend themselves on a public bb. Just my opinion and if the TOS changed from a sponsor, it is their responsibility to inform the affiliate.
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Parading the Hustler name in front for more money.Originally posted by FightThisPatent
or in 3rd Quarter conference calls... parading Hustlers name before the stockholders meeting.
Their CEO was very quick to point out that known companies names could be used in their PR, etc... but with other lesser known companies, the confidentiality of the deal was kept silent.
You think Acacia cares about whatever fees Hustler paid? Hell no, they consider it a privilege to be able to use a name like Flynts to increase their dissipating validity.
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Originally posted by tootie
There is absolutely NO excuse for giving out affiliates' personal information without a court order.
The tactic of getting the affiliate list might have been an early one that was used, when they didn't understand how affiliate programs worked.
Whoever settled early might have buckled under their legal threats to sue them, to give up the list (and probably kicking and screaming the whole time as they handed it over).
Then, I think Acacia got educated by another licensee and Acacia realized that if the sponsor was going to settle, then it wouldn't make sense to go after affiliates.
So I believe that was what happened given early information from Acacia to how things have played out.
So that early list made it's way to the paralegals who just slapped the address label on to their "last notice" and just mailed it.
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Another thing, they dont just say 'LFP Inc' or 'Platinum eMedia' they make sure to enclose the details of who you are ;)
LFP Inc (The owner of the Hustler Sites)
Platinum eMedia Inc (owner of the Platinum affiliate program)
its not hard to see why ;)
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i have a US mailing address for my whois info... for the first time i actually got some mail..
"This auto-email is just to let you know that a package arrived for you today at your U.S. address.
The package is from: Madox (6 Pounds*).."
no idea what it is.. could it be acacia papers? does Madox make sense to anyone?Comment
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damn. im getting nervous and I dont even own any paysites.
i buy massive xxx dating traffic.Comment
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
they consider it a privilege to be able to use a name like Flynts to increase their dissipating validity.
In some ways, Acacia knows what its doing.. they already proved how their tactics can work in the V-chip patent.
They understand the value of using a big well-known name to further their efforts.. they know they can use that name in their communications because the company is very visible to the public.
They have calculated all of this, spent more time on executing their plan than researching the validity of their patents.
Look at V-Chip and Berman's comments on D$ Show...someone asked about the V-Chip patent being invalidated, and he gave some smug remark that they had made over $27M on licenses, and didn't consider it to be a failure.
And then today, they announced on their 3Q call, that they want companies who have patents to loan them to them, that they would use their "resources" to get license money and share the bounty with other companies.
Like inventing this Patent-2-Business (P2B) model.
I am sure that Hustler didn't realize the full consequences of their signing, in thinking that it would end their liability... because as you can tell by Ken's posts, I think they understand now, how they have been presented as a trophy win in their favor.
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
LFP Inc (The owner of the Hustler Sites)
its not hard to see why ;)
yup , to the average Joe, LFP don't ring a bell.
Tack on Hustler next to it, then you go.. ah...i have heard of them.
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