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  • FightThisPatent
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    • Aug 2003
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    Congress supports Tax on Adult Websites

    For those that haven't been following the threads and news about Acacia, let me briefly bring you up to speed so you can understand why the thread topic is titled the way it is.

    Acacia Research (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com) has some patents (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/patents.htm) that claim essentially to owning the process of downloading audio or video files from a web server.

    They sent out "information packets" to many companies, some adult, some to schools and universities.

    They are demanding license fees (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/te...t_adultent.htm) for payment of using their "patent".

    Some adult websites have licensed their patent (see Press Releases at http://www.acaciatechnologies.com) while others have joined together to form the IMPA (http://www.impai.org) and to also become defendants in litigation.

    FightThePatent.com (http://www.FightThePatent.com) was formed on August 12th as a one-man crusade to bring awareness to these issues and to assist the defendants to find prior art (with no compensation).

    Many GFY'ers jumped into the search for prior art, using this page http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html to help find stuff to look for, and http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html to see what prior art examples were posted.

    FightThePatent.com has now broadened its scope to propose the start of Fight the Patent Foundation ("FTPF")(http://www.FightThePatent.com/go) to help fight against patent abuse.






    And now that you have been brought up to speed.......


    Acacia's licensing structure includes a minimum payment of $1,500/year if you make likess than $50K/year. If you make more, then the figure is like 2% of GROSS.

    In licensing their patent, you have to open your books to them so they can verify your GROSS sales. When you sign the license agreement, there is a provision that states if the patent is found invalid, YOU DON"T GET YOUR MONEY BACK.

    Having someone take 2% of your GROSS REVENUE is exactly like a tax...except you know the tax by the government is legit (whether you agree with it or not is a separate story). The Constitution created the provisions to start the Patent Office and Congress created Patent Laws. So companies like Acacia are enforcing their rights to (abuse) patent and civil law to enforce their claims.

    What's of greater concern, besides my opinion that the patent is invalid given prior art, is that there are other patent holders in this space making similar claims with their patents (USA VIDEO, SIGHTSOUND).

    If each one of these companies came around to charge 2%, along with other patent holders like patents on shopping carts, e-commerce, exit consoles, etc.... the resulting total tax would put the current corporate tax structure to shame.

    At least with the IRS, you can deduct expenses to reduce your tax base.. .with these licensing fees, it's off the top. So 2% of GROSS could actually be like 20% of NET (or higher).

    Do you want to pay more "taxes"?

    If this makes you mad, join IMPA as a member... it's an adult industry organization that is a watchdog on many issues that concern webmasters, with patents being one of them.

    Pledge $100 or more support for FTFP to become an ACLU-like organization that fights against patent abuse.


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  • myjah
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    #2
    nice sum up and lots of good links...FIGHT THE PATENT!
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    • FightThisPatent
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      #3
      For those who may think my thread title is misleading:

      The titling of the thread was intentional to get people's attention who normally might otherwise skip over ones with Acacia in them.

      The title is not misleading... Congress enacted the Patent Laws that give Acacia and other patent abuse holders the right to use Civil Law to "convince" people to license their patents.

      I am not saying that i am anti-patents.. patents have their place, especially ones that are narrow and very specific, and instead of broad.

      Since Acacia is claiming a 2% of GROSS on revenue, it's no different than IRS asking for 21+% on taxes (tho IRS allows for deductions).

      Since Congress created both the IRS and USPTO, the indirect conclusion, tho admittly sensationalized to bring attention, is that Congress does support a tax on Adult Websites.

      I realize it's like play 6 Degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon, but I felt that more attention needs to be drawn to this subject, and maybe approaching from a different tactic, ie taxes, would get people involved... afterall, the tax man cometh for all.


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      • FlyingIguana
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        #4
        misleading title should mean deleted thread like it usually does

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        • Bladewire
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          #5
          Originally posted by FlyingIguana
          misleading title should mean deleted thread like it usually does
          I think he tried but it doesn't let him edit the thread

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          • FightThisPatent
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            #6
            Originally posted by FlyingIguana
            misleading title should mean deleted thread like it usually does

            It's not misleading, maybe you didn't read my second post to explain things.

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            • FlyingIguana
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              #7
              Originally posted by FightThisPatent



              It's not misleading, maybe you didn't read my second post to explain things.

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              you can twist shit anyway you want, its still misleading

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              • FightThisPatent
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                #8
                Originally posted by FlyingIguana


                you can twist shit anyway you want, its still misleading

                if you didn't feel like reading my long posts that explain things, that's fine.. but for those that do read it, its not misleading... its sensationalizing, but still on target to the subject.

                There are FAR worse offending thread titles.... can you not see the point of the post was to bring attention to this Acacia issue for webmasters who just don't understand or don't get what this is all about?




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                • init
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                  #9
                  i never really read to much about everything with Acacia , but from what i hear basically they got a patent for an idea and not a solid product and want everyone to pay them for it?
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                  • FightThisPatent
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by init
                    i never really read to much about everything with Acacia , but from what i hear basically they got a patent for an idea and not a solid product and want everyone to pay them for it?


                    exactly! worse yet, what they INTERPRET their patent to mean, is different than what the patent says....

                    So defendants have to go to court to defend themselves against the infringement claims to show that what they are saying is invalid.

                    They have already managed to convince the big players to license their patent... this does not mean the patent is valid, just that these companies made business decisions to settle rather than fight.

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                    • FightThisPatent
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                      #11
                      bump

                      if you think you were mislead into reading this thread, and if my explanation post doesn't clarify things for you, please respond to let me know why my thinking was wrong.


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                      • jact
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                        #12
                        You should probably mention that people who have not entered into license agreements by November, they're threatening to annex 15% of their gross revenue instead of this "generous" 2% with arrangements for previous infractions.

                        If you think 2% hurts, 15% is going to really take a chunk.
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                        • FightThisPatent
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by jact
                          You should probably mention that people who have not entered into license agreements by November, they're threatening to annex 15% of their gross revenue instead of this "generous" 2% with arrangements for previous infractions.

                          If you think 2% hurts, 15% is going to really take a chunk.

                          ya, what he said



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                          • Brad-Wishing
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                            #14
                            *twitches* I hate acacia.
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                            • fiveyes
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by jact
                              You should probably mention that people who have not entered into license agreements by November, they're threatening to annex 15% of their gross revenue instead of this "generous" 2% with arrangements for previous infractions.

                              If you think 2% hurts, 15% is going to really take a chunk.
                              Ahhh, I recall when it was just 0.75% back in February of 2003. Those were the days...
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                              • FightThisPatent
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by fiveyes

                                Ahhh, I recall when it was just 0.75% back in February of 2003. Those were the days...

                                I think that was their rate if you were a net radio station.


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                                • fiveyes
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by FightThisPatent



                                  I think that was their rate if you were a net radio station.


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                                  Yes, it was, and that brings another observation to mind about the current situation:

                                  If you go to http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/te...y_internet.htm you'll see that the "Adult Entertainment" section contains three on-line licensing documents, ready for signing and return. But, and this is what strikes me, the other six classifications don't. Instead, they have instructions for the individual companies to contact them, some by e-mail (the other three internet applications that use video or audio) and some by phone (cable, hotel and e-learning). What's all that about anyway???
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                                  • FightThisPatent
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                                    Originally posted by fiveyes

                                    Instead, they have instructions for the individual companies to contact them, some by e-mail (the other three internet applications that use video or audio) and some by phone (cable, hotel and e-learning). What's all that about anyway???


                                    Ya, like someone is gonna just call them up and say, "here's my money". I think those are just placeholders since they have their hands full right now.... those other industries would most likely put up a perceived fight, so their choice to go with the "low hanging fruit" was a better one.

                                    Couldn't Miss Cleo see this thing coming?????



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                                    • Eyes_Without_A_Face
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                                      I say FUCK THE PATENT
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Eyes_Without_A_Face
                                        I say FUCK THE PATENT
                                        You need to add an "S" to patent. There are soo many more patent abuse cases coming to a court room near you!


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                                        • FightThisPatent
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                                          #21
                                          Listen in on Acacia's 3rd quarter conference call on Tuesday (21st)

                                          Anyone can listen .. it's at 1:30pst and if you miss the call you can listen to the recording for 30days. Will be interesting to see where these guys are coming from.

                                          To listen to the presentation by phone, dial (800) 915-4836 for domestic callers and (973) 317-5319 for international callers. A replay of the audio presentation will be available for 30 days at (800) 428-6051 for domestic callers and (973) 709-2089 for international callers, both of whom will need to enter the code 309899 when prompted.



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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                            Listen in on Acacia's 3rd quarter conference call on Tuesday (21st)

                                            It's a free call.. freeeeeeeeeeeeeee



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                                              4 hours til Acacia's conference call...



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                                              • FightThisPatent
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                                                ooops..got the date wrong...bad source...verified it for myself this time, bad brandon, bad brandon..


                                                Acacia Research Corporation Earnings Conference Call (Q3 2003)
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