1989 Video from AT&T Labs "Pandora" project defeats Acacia patent claims!

300 patents!

Can I hit it too?

awww... missed the top posting position....


Current Prior Art Search list: http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Searching.html


Found potential prior art (more to be added):
http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html


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Okay came into this thread late, BUT if that's all you're looking for you should find a ton of data from sources I know of. Don't want to post em' here because it would get to the enemy.

In patent issues there's so much you have to go through and avoid. It can be a complex problem and sometimes not. I can provide you with leads to data I know is there by the tons but that's about all.

That one link up there has some mags in it from back then...The Jamesalan one I think it is...mags are down on the bottom.
Amiga ads ect.

Greg Welcome aboard! Better late then never!

You can email any info privately to mailto:[email protected]

Thanks for the input and keep up the search! We are making a difference here and prior art is being found. Keep it up and thank you!

Thanks Greg B!

I want to thank you all and tip my hat in respect!

very interesting

Good job ...
now you guys are blogging together ...
very kewl ...

I hope, the people who have viewed the video [i have not] have made backups ...

I would have retaken this thread from those posting 50, and 100's by posting a "Coles Notes".

Whose to say - those being sourced are not informed? And 2% means an easy way out for them as well.

I really mean - I hope you guys are making backups.

Looking for alot of things actually as listed on the URL at the top of this page...always on the lookout for more audio and video examples that is just so in your face obvious that audio/video was made available prior to 1990....as well as documentable proof of its existance (ie. CDROM's, BBS logs)

if you have some pointers to text or items on the searching list, pass them on to me.... i like reading techie stuff as much as i do writing (and i write alot)

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Brandon ...
I would like to make a suggestion to your homepage ...

in the top right hand corner of the blue column ...

it says
"Prior Art now being published for all to see, learn, and contribute .."

change it to

"Prior Art PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED currently being listed for all to see, learn, and make their contributions." : )
and still link
Prior Art ...
to <a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html" target="_blank" >http://www.fightthispatent.com/v2/Squirt.html</A>

imo

[Edit - typo fixed : )]

ADDENDUM
<a href="http://www.fightthispatent.com" target="_blank" >FightThisPatent.com</A>

great post.. i am sending emails to the owners of these webpages to see if they can lend a hand in finding prior art.


thanx!


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Thanks Brandon, I sent you an email and told you what I could. When I get some info back from you I'll kick it upstairs to the biggest boys in the media to see if they're hip to what's going on. Believe you me, if my guys didn't invent it I'll be very suprised.

I sent this to GregB, posting it here for others to see.. feel free to pass this short summary to other people... who may be sensitive to coming to an adult resource board:


Acacia Research (http://www.acaciatechnologies.com) has patents
(http://www.acaciatechnologies.com/patents.htm) on the following claims:

The process of storing compressed video in a libary for distribution over a distributed network (optionally at the request of the remote user)

My version of the summary is:

The process of downloading audio or video files from a server.



Prior art to invalidate Acacia's patent claim must have a date stamp prior to 1990. A digitized file (audio or video) needs to have been made available on a server (BBS, FTP) that multiple people had access to it, to download the file.

This is a list of prior art leads that i am chasing:
http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Searching.html

This is a sampling of prior art that i have posted so far:
http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html






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I found this quote in a patent email-list that i subscribe to:

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If society allows patents in areas where cumulative innovation is the dominant mode of innovation, then new innovators end up carying the weight of the giants instead. This is because they need to license prior innovations before marketing their own innovation, and that expense grows exponentially with innovation generation for complex products.

(this is so simple you could put it on a T-shirt ;*)

See "Standing on the Shoulders of Giants: Cumulative Research and the
Patent Law", J. Economic Perspectives, Vol 5, winter 1991, p. 27-41
http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~scotch/giants.pdf


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This is my reply, reposted here for your reading:




This is so true of Acacia Research's 2nd round of wielding a patent claim... first round with V-Chip, they got knocked down, but that was before they got companies to spend MILLIONS of dollars on "licensing their patent".

Round 2 is where they are making the broad claim to owning the process to downloading of audio or video from a website.

Acacia's attorneys cite that 150+ other patents reference their patent, as if that was some form of validation for the patent... more like the other patent holders citing all possible prior art as required by USPTO.

But Acacia's patent claims are like claiming to have a patent on a ball. Others may have a patent on a red ball. In this example, Acacia won't sue the patent of a red ball, but will sue not only the manufacturer of the red ball for patent infringement, but also the toy store that carries the red ball, for contributory infringement.

Patent Law allows them to do this... this is clearly patent abuse.

In real terms, Acacia is suing websites that have audio or video on their website.. they have yet to target companies like Microsoft, Real, or Apple for infringement.. these targets would fight back and tie them up on court. Based upon their failed V-chip patent, but successful licensing campaign, it seems to be the business model to throw a patent and some infringement letters at comanies who use the "alleged infringed patent" to "convince" them to license their patents.. using things like an "amnesty" cut-off date, where retroactive infringement fees could be accessed.

Most websites don't have the money to pay $10k-$35k to do the initial legal dance, so they have no choice but to license the patent. The kicker here, is that in the event the patent is invalidated by companies who do challenge the patent, they DON"T GET THEIR MONEY back from the license.

This kind of stuff really gets to me, that's why I started FightThePatent.com and my hopes to extend that work to Fight the Patent Foundation.

This is the new, new,new, new economy with the new kind of business plan. Get patents, get people to license the patents and bet that most won't be able to fight it, and will just settle. For those that do fight it, it gets stuck in court for years, but in the mean time, they collect licensing fees and continue to "convince" companies to license the patent.

This is wrong!

already found it (tho, not hardcore anal)... porn GL file dating back to 1988.. .. the last issue is to just be able to verify the date...file date won't hold up in court since it can be manipulated...needing BBS logs or CDROM archive to validate it.. that's the main issue with finding these kinds of digital video or audio files.

If anyone is wondering why i don't post this video file on my prior art page at http://www.FightThePatent.com/v2/Squirt.html must not be reading any of these posts about Acacia.




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FiveEyes has found a great example of a FLI file with digital images!

Prior art page updated at: http://www.fighthepatent.com/v2/Squirt.html


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