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I've dealt with many lawyers in and out of this business.Originally posted by BradShaw
Sleazy, I am not going to split hairs. This accomplishes nothing.I have my opinion of Steve's business model. We are not talking 18 looking like 17 here............ I think many of you here need to either hire a lawyer, or speak to a lawyer who deals in this business. They would explain to you, that images of 19 year old girls who are dressed to look 15 is not wise.
I scorred a 95th percentile on the lsat exam myself.
any lawyer that is advising you that the 'clothing' of model could make them look a couple of years younger probally shouldn't be a lawyer to the adult business, as they SHOULD be more concerned with the documentation of the age of the model then their costume.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Yeah your models look 29 but you imply they're "Young Schoolgirls"...At least LS can find decent talent...brand them...and have men falling over themselves to join...Originally posted by BradShaw
I was eating dinner, I do not sit on gfy 24/7 sorry;-)
Each of us draw the line where we feel comfortable. I have no problem with our site, or the images contained on it. All of our websites have been approved by our legal council.
Our "school" girl site, the girls look 21, not even 18, lol. Not going to split hairs here. The images speak for themselves.
I got no beef or allegiance to anyone...but I gotta say..."Hypocrite" would be the right word...
Burn enough bridges and you end up stranded on an island...
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typical - you always back away when someone smokes you.Originally posted by BradShaw
Sleazy, I am not going to split hairs.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Originally posted by Lensman
What's a YOUNG SCHOOLGIRL Brad? 9 years old?
See it on Brad's page: http://link.siccash.com/cgi-bin/load...0114022/3710/1
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Are we dropping standardized test scores? The LSAT was easy as fuck -- I got a 168 on it cold. That test doesn't have diddly shit to do with the actual statutes in question, so why would you even mention your LSAT score? But you know what? I think you're lying anyway. I doubt you broke 70%. on it. My guess is you scored low 150s at best, but more likely mid 140s.Originally posted by SleazyDream
I've dealt with many lawyers in and out of this business.
I scorred a 95th percentile on the lsat exam myself.
any lawyer that is advising you that the 'clothing' of model could make them look a couple of years younger probally shouldn't be a lawyer to the adult business, as they SHOULD be more concerned with the documentation of the age of the model then their costume.
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Sorry, just had to change my pic ;)
I still have the other one saved, so if he ever does change it (which seems doubtful) just hit me up for it.
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Originally posted by Lensman
What's a YOUNG SCHOOLGIRL Brad? 9 years old?
See it on Brad's page: http://link.siccash.com/cgi-bin/load...0114022/3710/1
to ME a "yound schoolgirl" is a 25 year old dressed up in a cheap plaid skirt big enough to cover her stretch marks and knee highs to hide the vericose veins...
Sleazy.. this is not about legal advise.. its about one persons personal opinion.. just like you are entiled to your opinion...btw i scored a 23 on my MCATS... which is a shit score. .. thus i'm a pornographer and not an OBGYN....Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.comComment
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Originally posted by rooster
my two cents, theres a bit of a difference between a blurb of text on a cookie cutter paysite with girls that dont look young, and building ones whole business on a foundation of a girl that is 18 and looks 16.
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HAHAHAOriginally posted by SleazyDream
I've dealt with many lawyers in and out of this business.
I scorred a 95th percentile on the lsat exam myself.
any lawyer that is advising you that the 'clothing' of model could make them look a couple of years younger probally shouldn't be a lawyer to the adult business, as they SHOULD be more concerned with the documentation of the age of the model then their costume.
"I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV..."
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Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
Yeah your models look 29 but you imply they're "Young Schoolgirls"...At least LS can find decent talent...brand them...and have men falling over themselves to join...
I got no beef or allegiance to anyone...but I gotta say..."Hypocrite" would be the right word...
Burn enough bridges and you end up stranded on an island...
"Might as well go work at wendy's"
True... LS can find some great talent and they do a great job of marketing them... and I'm sure they make great $$$... and they are great guys... and they are very hospitable.... and they are great philanthropist and they throw great parties.... and Tanker makes a great impression of an otter....
BUT
Brad is still entiled to his opinon
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I just wanted to let everyone know again!!Originally posted by THE WISEMAN
I am Very good friends with Brad and Steve!!!
And I feel these arguements between the two are very much useless and good for nothing except.....
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Originally posted by SleazyDream
I've dealt with many lawyers in and out of this business.
I scorred a 95th percentile on the lsat exam myself.
any lawyer that is advising you that the 'clothing' of model could make them look a couple of years younger probally shouldn't be a lawyer to the adult business, as they SHOULD be more concerned with the documentation of the age of the model then their costume.
Like I said, hire one of the top adult entertainment lawyers. You are not a lawyer, just because you scored well on the LSAT. I scored poorly, but I hired a lawyer to do the work for me.Sig too big
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Don't you have your Law Degree, Mike? How come you're not bragging about it?Originally posted by Mike AI
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Originally posted by Buff
Damn Greg! That's pretty low for an Asian ;)
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i took several law school courses actually - loved them although not officically registered for them. With my LSAT score I could have gotten into any law school in canada, and that was after my first year of university, not second or third.Originally posted by Buff
Are we dropping standardized test scores? The LSAT was easy as fuck -- I got a 168 on it cold. That test doesn't have diddly shit to do with the actual statutes in question, so why would you even mention your LSAT score? But you know what? I think you're lying anyway. I doubt you broke 70%. on it. My guess is you scored low 150s at best, but more likely mid 140s.
I hate braggarts.
you're just bitter cause you didn't get in.
You read john grisham and listen to him talk about lawyers GOUGING their clients for $250/hour.
I read the same book and realized that I wanted to be the client that didn't care.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Going to spend time with my lady.
Bottom line is that my opinion is my opinion. I will keep spouting it when I see fit to do so. Steve can continue to butter up webmasters with drug filled parties and a little pussy that most could never get in their real lives. I will continue to laugh all the way to the bank being a businessman.Sig too big
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Originally posted by BradShaw
Like I said, hire one of the top adult entertainment lawyers. You are not a lawyer, just because you scored well on the LSAT. I scored poorly, but I hired a lawyer to do the work for me.
brad, if you take anything away from this take this.
you tell your lawyers what you want to do and they find out how to get it done. NOT the REVERSE. NEVER the REVERSE.
any other way of interaction with MOST lawyers spells business disaster.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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I've never been to any party steve threw that was full of women and I've never even smoked a joint in my life so if you're infering those are the reasons I endorse Steve then you're on Crack.....Originally posted by BradShaw
Bottom line is that my opinion is my opinion. I will keep spouting it when I see fit to do so. Steve can continue to butter up webmasters with drug filled parties and a little pussy that most could never get in their real lives. I will continue to laugh all the way to the bank being a businessman.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Originally posted by SleazyDream
brad, if you take anything away from this take this.
you tell your lawyers what you want to do and they find out how to get it done. NOT the REVERSE. NEVER the REVERSE.
any other way of interaction with MOST lawyers spells business disaster.
you look at your bank balance and brad will look at his.. then offer him more advice
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Jackass. I was accepted to Loyola, New Orleans, Tulane, Stetson, and George Mason. But I was accepted for the JD/MBA program for each of those, not just Law School. I'll be going next fall.Originally posted by SleazyDream
i took several law school courses actually - loved them although not officically registered for them. With my LSAT score I could have gotten into any law school in canada, and that was after my first year of university, not second or third.
you're just bitter cause you didn't get in.
You read john grisham and listen to him talk about lawyers GOUGING their clients for $250/hour.
I read the same book and realized that I wanted to be the client that didn't care.
So are you saying you dropped out?
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Man I came to GFY to make some money and pump up sales on my 3 year old site.... instead theres this bitchy he said she said crap....
Stop attacking eachother and work together to keep the money coming in!
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I wouldn't want a lawyer who is only concerned with the legal documentation and licenses for the content on my site.
I would want one who has enough experience to know that those things mean shit to a jury who is staring, wide-eyed and slack-jawed, at images the prosecuting attorney is putting before them and they are being asked to make a judgement based on those images.
Mr and Mrs Mom & Pop jury aren't going to care if your girl is legally 18, they're going to care that the images they're seeing look like 15 and 16 yr-old girls. Quite frankly, once they've gotten that impression from the images, it doesn't matter what the licenses or photo IDs say. You're done. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.Comment
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Originally posted by SleazyDream
I've never been to any party steve threw that was full of women and I've never even smoked a joint in my life so if you're infering those are the reasons I endorse Steve then you're on Crack.....
i've been to many lightspeed parties.. always hospitible... always good crowds and people... always lots of fun.. but ya know what...
brad will still have his own opinion... deja vu????Processing Partners http://www.processingpartners.comComment
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Good point.. it all comes down to obscenity and community standards... is the community more approvng of an older looking chick dressed like a schoolgirl or an 18 year old that dresses and looks much younger? What's legal and what's community standard is what decides these cases..Originally posted by Carrie
I wouldn't want a lawyer who is only concerned with the legal documentation and licenses for the content on my site.
I would want one who has enough experience to know that those things mean shit to a jury who is staring, wide-eyed and slack-jawed, at images the prosecuting attorney is putting before them and they are being asked to make a judgement based on those images.
Mr and Mrs Mom & Pop jury aren't going to care if your girl is legally 18, they're going to care that the images they're seeing look like 15 and 16 yr-old girls. Quite frankly, once they've gotten that impression from the images, it doesn't matter what the licenses or photo IDs say. You're done. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
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ok.. i'm done pissing.. it makes me feel dirty... stupid and like i just wasted an hour of sleep...
hope everyone is doing well... Sleazy.. you are a stand up dude.. and I still like ya
Lensman.. thanks for the late night cap... I jsut wanted to check my email... but was summoned by wiseman to see all of the fun...
hope all is well... .ski season is coming up quick...
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a good lawyer doesn't tell you the sky is falling.Originally posted by Carrie
I wouldn't want a lawyer who is only concerned with the legal documentation and licenses for the content on my site.
I would want one who has enough experience to know that those things mean shit to a jury who is staring, wide-eyed and slack-jawed, at images the prosecuting attorney is putting before them and they are being asked to make a judgement based on those images.
Mr and Mrs Mom & Pop jury aren't going to care if your girl is legally 18, they're going to care that the images they're seeing look like 15 and 16 yr-old girls. Quite frankly, once they've gotten that impression from the images, it doesn't matter what the licenses or photo IDs say. You're done. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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I stayed at a Holiday Inn express....Originally posted by SleazyDream
i took several law school courses actually - loved them although not officically registered for them. With my LSAT score I could have gotten into any law school in canada, and that was after my first year of university, not second or third.
you're just bitter cause you didn't get in.
You read john grisham and listen to him talk about lawyers GOUGING their clients for $250/hour.
I read the same book and realized that I wanted to be the client that didn't care.
$250/hour is cheap for attorneys.
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Originally posted by Carrie
I wouldn't want a lawyer who is only concerned with the legal documentation and licenses for the content on my site.
I would want one who has enough experience to know that those things mean shit to a jury who is staring, wide-eyed and slack-jawed, at images the prosecuting attorney is putting before them and they are being asked to make a judgement based on those images.
Mr and Mrs Mom & Pop jury aren't going to care if your girl is legally 18, they're going to care that the images they're seeing look like 15 and 16 yr-old girls. Quite frankly, once they've gotten that impression from the images, it doesn't matter what the licenses or photo IDs say. You're done. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
This about sums it up. Very well put. I agree, $250 is not going to get you a good lawyer who understands this business.Sig too big
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Originally posted by gregtx
to ME a "yound schoolgirl" is a 25 year old dressed up in a cheap plaid skirt big enough to cover her stretch marks and knee highs to hide the vericose veins...
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haha love ya greg... but thats funny.. vericose veins at 25? .. dont you get them when you're about 80?
maybe you need to come check out us aussie girls
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Granted this was created for print and possibly video it does say something...or shall I say it does not say something...
Now I know this is an Ultra Consertive list
And Paul Cambria is trying to be OVER consertive but the fact is with our administration shit could hit the fan any second.
But even with its ultra consertive nature there is no mention of younging girls down...which i thought was interesting.
Just some food for thought...
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No coffins
No blindfolds
No wax dripping
No two dicks in/near one mouth
No shot of stretching pussy
No fisting
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No bondage-type toys or gear unless very light
No girls sharing same dildo (in mouth or pussy)
Toys are OK if shot is not nasty
No hands from 2 different people fingering same girl
No male/male penetration
No transsexuals
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i agree, one of the ones I use is $450/hour (although that's canadian)Originally posted by Mike AI
I stayed at a Holiday Inn express....
$250/hour is cheap for attorneys.
that's just the dollar amount I remember from the grisham booksThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Originally posted by Buff
Jackass. I was accepted to Loyola, New Orleans, Tulane, Stetson, and George Mason. But I was accepted for the JD/MBA program for each of those, not just Law School. I'll be going next fall.
So are you saying you dropped out?
My guess is you weren't making the grade or couldn't pass the bar (or whatever the Canadian equivalent is).
Are you an idiot? Obviously
You don't goto the bar till AFTER you graduate with a law degree.
I said I didn't goto law school.
if you're going to law school obviously you failed in this biz.
Good luck with law school - maybe you'll wind up as some leather chair warmer for a fortune 500 company. By 40 you may have your student loans paid off.
at least you'll be able to tell you grandkids that when you were young you posted to GFY and actually spoke to some guys that run real adult sites.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Steve reminds me of when the Hell's Angles do Santa runs at Christmas.
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WTF is up all all the hate?Originally posted by SleazyDream
Are you an idiot? Obviously
You don't goto the bar till AFTER you graduate with a law degree.
I said I didn't goto law school.
if you're going to law school obviously you failed in this biz.
Good luck with law school - maybe you'll wind up as some leather chair warmer for a fortune 500 company. By 40 you may have your student loans paid off.
at least you'll be able to tell you grandkids that when you were young you posted to GFY and actually spoke to some guys that run real adult sites.
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Originally posted by snuff boy
Steve reminds me of when the Hell's Angles do Santa runs at Christmas.
Great analogy. I recall him "fighting" child porn in a very public manner so that everyone was sure to see he was doing it, and even saying he would block traffic from the word lolita. Go to goggle, search for lightspeed lolita, or lightspeed underage..... Wonder if his great blocking software is working?Sig too big
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is anything sic cash promotes blocking specific key words?Originally posted by BradShaw
Great analogy. I recall him "fighting" child porn in a very public manner so that everyone was sure to see he was doing it, and even saying he would block traffic from the word lolita. Go to goggle, search for lightspeed lolita, or lightspeed underage..... Wonder if his great blocking software is working?
other than 'honest' 'reliable' and 'trustworthy' .........This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Well not that my opinion makes a difference but hey wouldn't want to be left out on this. I know Steve have worked with him, had breakfast with him, talked to him many times, and maintained his servers for him Brad on the other hand I have never met and the only thing I know about him is third party.
But with that being said I have the utmost respect for both party's. As far as I know from my customers and associates both programs convert very well. Some people like Steve way of doing things and some people like Brads way of doing things.
To the little guys like me watching all this bashing going on leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This filters down to when I am choosing a sponsor for a project. Both people can ban me from their programs personally and not lose a dime. But if either banned all my freinds I have recommended to both they would both lose money. I feel this whole thing should not be aired in the manner it is.
Brad said this ...
Steve did this ...
Grow up folks this isn't the kids playground. We have much bigger problems in this industry at hand. Acacia, Visa, and the justice department to name a few.
In reality brads comments had some merits to them. But to put that on a video and play it on a sponsors website was totally wrong. I will continue to reffer people to both programs but I will look long and hard as to the question of is it worth me sending anybody to purecash.tv as they are the people that is using this propaganda to promote thier program. Is this a good avenue to use to promote a business? Find 2 big players in the industry and lets get them to butt heads?
It goes to show who we are marketing ourselves to on these boards. Where is the business sense? More and more we are getting annoying sound wavs on banners, Banners that are really stupid like "do you think brad shaw is an asshole? well buy his content" This is all during the biggest shake up this industry has seen yet. There are a lot of eyes on this board from people outside this industry right now and this pissing contest is just another bad mark on all of us.
This issue should be put to rest. It isn't doing Steve or Brad or anybody else in this industry any justice at all.
Thats my
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Originally posted by THE WISEMAN
I am Very good friends with Brad and Steve!!!
And I feel these arguements between the two are very much useless and good for nothing except.....
Have I mentioned? QUICKBUCK IS STILL PAYING $50 PER $2.99 TRIAL through the end of the weekend!!!
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well, even 20 year olds wear WHITE panties.. wear pj's.. have teddy bears.. So what's the difference? Girls under 18 dress in a way to make themselves look older.. So i guess this would be the same if they dressed up an 80 year old in a 15 year olds close, put teddy bears in the room and called her a schoolgirl.. lolOriginally posted by Buff
Greg, do I still look 18? Think I could market ChatRoom Romeo to Catholic Priests?
Now, what Lens what statinmg about on your tour where it says YOUNG SCHOOLGIRLS.. that right there is saying "we have very young girls on this site" who do you think that caters to? Podophiles... it's just like using young teens of young girls..
Now if you would have used barely legal schoolgirls at least that gives the impression that they are 18 or just turned 18.. a young schoolgirl on the other hand gives the impression that the girls are 14, 15, 16.. not 18+..
the point is there is putting teddy bears MAY give the impression that she's younger in some way.. but young schoolgirls does that in a more profound way. Im in no way taking anyones side but before you judge the way someone else does things look at things you do, things you have done.. Some sposors will not allow webmasters to use the words schoolgirls, young teens etc.. let alone YOUNG SCHOOLGIRLS. And I for one would never use those 2 words together.. And notice that you not only used young schoolgirls but innocent young schoolgirls.. very bad use of thoose three word.. Giving the impression of a 15, 16, 17 year old virgin schoolgirl.. personally I would change those words.. Since you own the sites how about checking the age of most of the members? i bet at leat 60% are 40 to 60 years old and looking for one thing... and you can guess what that is.
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I can't say it better. Who are we all kidding? We know what the site is supposed to appeal to.Originally posted by Yngwie
well, even 20 year olds wear WHITE panties.. wear pj's.. have teddy bears.. So what's the difference? Girls under 18 dress in a way to make themselves look older.. So i guess this would be the same if they dressed up an 80 year old in a 15 year olds close, put teddy bears in the room and called her a schoolgirl.. lol
Now, what Lens what statinmg about on your tour where it says YOUNG SCHOOLGIRLS.. that right there is saying "we have very young girls on this site" who do you think that caters to? Podophiles... it's just like using young teens of young girls..
Now if you would have used barely legal schoolgirls at least that gives the impression that they are 18 or just turned 18.. a young schoolgirl on the other hand gives the impression that the girls are 14, 15, 16.. not 18+..
the point is there is putting teddy bears MAY give the impression that she's younger in some way.. but young schoolgirls does that in a more profound way. Im in no way taking anyones side but before you judge the way someone else does things look at things you do, things you have done.. Some sposors will not allow webmasters to use the words schoolgirls, young teens etc.. let alone YOUNG SCHOOLGIRLS. And I for one would never use those 2 words together.. And notice that you not only used young schoolgirls but innocent young schoolgirls.. very bad use of thoose three word.. Giving the impression of a 15, 16, 17 year old virgin schoolgirl.. personally I would change those words.. Since you own the sites how about checking the age of most of the members? i bet at leat 60% are 40 to 60 years old and looking for one thing... and you can guess what that is.
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You're right...he is entitledd to his opinion. But opinions aren't necessarily facts. However, the opinion that he has expressed...has made him a hypocrite..and that my friend...is a fact.Originally posted by gregtx
True... LS can find some great talent and they do a great job of marketing them... and I'm sure they make great $$$... and they are great guys... and they are very hospitable.... and they are great philanthropist and they throw great parties.... and Tanker makes a great impression of an otter....
BUT
Brad is still entiled to his opinon
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Conclusion. We are our own worse enemies.Comment
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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Conclusion. We are our own worse enemies.
Very Very True
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Conclusion, love me, hate me, I am consistent. Been here 7 years, when some of you guys were still in diapers. Nothing will change, Brad Shaw is at the top of his game, both business wise and personally. In the end, I will laugh to the bank, while man of you are still telling stories of how mean I was to you.Sig too big
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Truly - I feel sorry for you.Originally posted by BradShaw
Conclusion, love me, hate me, I am consistent. Been here 7 years, when some of you guys were still in diapers. Nothing will change, Brad Shaw is at the top of his game, both business wise and personally. In the end, I will laugh to the bank, while man of you are still telling stories of how mean I was to you.This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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