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10-06-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

now you getting somewhere.....you do NOT want surfer to get back...
5000 pics or 500,000 pics...
YOU look at them and see how boring they all are....you look at 30 pics, you satisfied your curiousity,
and the best the pay site owner is hoping for is for the surfer to never get back...cause if he does - he cancels out of boredom anyway

It's a good point, and believe me I thought along those lines, which I mentioned and your responding to. (I always try to think along all lines).

I still think the mega site sale is the one that theme would work best on (and they play on it with the 70 site thing).

For the niche specific partnership programs, I still think I will go with the exclusive and updated content % programs.
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10-06-2003, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

I say it's better NOT give the surfer the reason to come back and the reason to FORGET that he is a member of your site...
than the laws of big numbers and statistics start work in your favor

But at what cost & risk to yourself or your business?

I mean what do you have to claim to get that surfer to sign up to begin with?....

how many 100's of thousands of images will you claim they will have access to? or thousands of video feeds or whatever else you say you have in your tour, but you dont really have in your members area.

The topic of this thread should be:

Why doesn't VISA/MC like adult internet?!l
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10-06-2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by grogan

Maybe your right about 95% just forget, but 95% of American porn surfers do not forget to glance at their visa bill before they pay it month in and month out. People buy generic soup you know.

you are wrong about 95% of american credit card holders,
this industry would collapse if that was the case...

do the survey how many people were paying $5.95 to AOL and MSN loooooooooooooooooong after they switched providers...

recurring billing was the BEST invention to date to separate the consumer with the money,
it's human nature and ...woiks like a fuckin charm!
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10-06-2003, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by RedBumper

I don't trust you guys anymore....... plain and simple

anymore????

ONLY morons would trust ANYBODY in this businbess,
especially trusting the "hand which feeds"
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10-06-2003, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by grogan

It's a good point, and believe me I thought along those lines, which I mentioned and your responding to. (I always try to think along all lines).

I still think the mega site sale is the one that theme would work best on (and they play on it with the 70 site thing).

For the niche specific partnership programs, I still think I will go with the exclusive and updated content % programs.

YES, NICHE sites are a different animal, VERY different, as niche buyers are different animals too...
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10-06-2003, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

anymore????

ONLY morons would trust ANYBODY in this businbess,
especially trusting the "hand which feeds"
;-)))

What i'm saying is that if SC uses tours that present the surfer a 20k$ site and give them a 100 dollar site that your attitude is just wrong. Who is to say you won't pull the same attitude on webmasters?

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10-06-2003, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by goBigtime

But at what cost & risk to yourself or your business?

I mean what do you have to claim to get that surfer to sign up to begin with?....

how many 100's of thousands of images will you claim they will have access to? or thousands of video feeds or whatever else you say you have in your tour, but you dont really have in your members area.

The topic of this thread should be:

Why doesn't VISA/MC like adult internet?!l

son,
what risk?????

you theoritize, while studies on the subject have been made and the answers were obtained looooooooong before you became a "porno-lord-webmaster"
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10-06-2003, 02:08 AM

Well serge, I've enjoyed intelligently conversing with you, others made remarks that were not coming from the brain.

I know a little better what to do with certain traffic, especially newbie surfer traffic.

As for the niche I will still attempt the long drawn out rebills.

Thanks again.
(probably see you on oprano)
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10-06-2003, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by RedBumper

What i'm saying is that if SC uses tours that present the surfer a 20k$ site and give them a 100 dollar site that your attitude is just wrong. Who is to say you won't pull the same attitude on webmasters?

oh, puuuhleeze!

as long as webmastrer costs paysite owner X and brings in revenues X+Y, webmaster has NOTHING to worry about.

as soon as the cost of webmaster exceeds the money webmaster generates,
webmaster can become "PLatinum Member Of Go-Fuck-Yoursaelf" club
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10-06-2003, 02:09 AM

serge is cranky this morning

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10-06-2003, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by grogan

I know a little better what to do with certain traffic, especially newbie surfer traffic.

I didn't expect any other reply from you, master pimp.... should we bow?

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10-06-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by grogan
Well serge, I've enjoyed intelligently conversing with you, others made remarks that were not coming from the brain.

I know a little better what to do with certain traffic, especially newbie surfer traffic.

As for the niche I will still attempt the long drawn out rebills.

Thanks again.
(probably see you on oprano)

ahhhh....brain...the least used organ around many boards
;-)))

glad I could be of help..
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10-06-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by calm
serge is cranky this morning

that what 2 weeks vacation and still being on European time do to you
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10-06-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by calm
serge is cranky this morning

This is Serge cranky???
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10-06-2003, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

webmaster can become "PLatinum Member Of Go-Fuck-Yoursaelf" club
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uhm..... what exactly does one do in this club? (i'm afraid to ask)

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10-06-2003, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

son,
what risk?????

you theoritize, while studies on the subject have been made and the answers were obtained looooooooong before you became a "porno-lord-webmaster"

I've been around since the begining of online adult (95/96). I know a lot of the big players in this industry came off of other pre-existing adult businesses.. pubishing, 900 #'s.

Obviously I am doing something wrong since I'm not a multi-millionaire.

I guess it's just like all the guys who were doing beastie stuff based in the states. They weighed the risks vs rewards and decided they will face the risk of 30 days in jail or a misdemeanor or whatever it is & go for the gold.

I have no problem with financial risks at all. Legal risks I tend shy away from these days.

I guess I'm destined to be poor.
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10-06-2003, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Groove

This is Serge cranky???

actually he sounds more like a jersey girl

"moron" "woiks like a fuckin charm" "oh puuuuuhlease"

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10-06-2003, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by RedBumper

uhm..... what exactly does one do in this club? (i'm afraid to ask)

never be affraid to ask questions....

despite the popular believes, webmasters are the commodity, same as surfers.

When they become unprofitable under the current business model,
one either TRY to change the model or...fucks webmasters...
whatever is working.

NOBODY gives a shit about _webmaster_...
FM tried inviting them to his house for the parties and...stopped.
"Getting to know them" on the board is much more sociable acceptable and fun than they are in real life...
(and they don't hit on your teenage daughter, right, Spanker? ;-)
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10-06-2003, 02:19 AM

.. just looked it up in iBills stats.. and average retention for my site is 2.2 months.

We also have Members who have been visting camchicks.com (almost) everyday for months.. some have been Members for years. I know they didn't just forget to cancel, because I still talk to them in our chatroom.

chargeback ratio is 0.2%

We never do anything dishonest. We don't upsell/cross-sell. We don't spam. We have no popups or ads. We don't promise anything that isn't there; and we still get conversions under 1:100 on good traffic.

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10-06-2003, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by calm

actually he sounds more like a jersey girl

"moron" "woiks like a fuckin charm" "oh puuuuuhlease"

I used WOIKS for a reason and YES, I was living in NJ from 86 til 99..
good observation
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10-06-2003, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by goBigtime

I've been around since the begining of online adult (95/96). I know a lot of the big players in this industry came off of other pre-existing adult businesses.. pubishing, 900 #'s.

Obviously I am doing something wrong since I'm not a multi-millionaire.

I guess it's just like all the guys who were doing beastie stuff based in the states. They weighed the risks vs rewards and decided they will face the risk of 30 days in jail or a misdemeanor or whatever it is & go for the gold.

I have no problem with financial risks at all. Legal risks I tend shy away from these days.

I guess I'm destined to be poor.

this is a good post...
you answered your own questions,
and confirmed my earlier observation that:
even ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL,
the equality ends at the minute the person is born.

I came to the net from...sign making buisness with $30 in my pocket. I beleive the ability to evaluate risks, following trends that works and inventing NEW ways to capitalize on phenomena BEFORE those ways become wide accepted was the key of my success
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sorry to hear you haven't found yourself in this GREATEST money making opportunity of the millenium.
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10-06-2003, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

I used WOIKS for a reason and YES, I was living in NJ from 86 til 99..
good observation
;-)

what's the 5k thing in your sig by the way?

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10-06-2003, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

YES, NICHE sites are a different animal, VERY different, as niche buyers are different animals too...

Yup I agree with you. 3 of my most successfull sites are niche sites and they rebill month after month. The main reason is that we have our own studio and we shoot members requests for them. On these 3 the content is 100% exclusive which is an added bonus

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10-06-2003, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by calm

what's the 5k thing in your sig by the way?

I forgot...I put ti before vacation,
I gotta revisit the link
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10-06-2003, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by Kevin2

Yup I agree with you. 3 of my most successfull sites are niche sites and they rebill month after month. The main reason is that we have our own studio and we shoot members requests for them. On these 3 the content is 100% exclusive which is an added bonus

NOW u talking!!!

Different content ideas for different kind of an animal!
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10-06-2003, 03:49 AM

So basically I got the idea:

1 ) It's profitable to be a scammer and rip the surfer
2 ) surfers join to 25 galleries site
3 ) I am wrong building galleries.
4 ) Instead of submitting galleries to the TGPs I will make a paysite with them.
5 ) Profit

errrr.... perhaps wrong... hmmm... YES, customers will not rebill nor come back.

So, as conclusion... I host 20 galleries on my home DSL line and request $30 per month for them. Even if one only surfer signs up I will pay the DSL line bill and will have $5 in benefits. COOL! Benefits from the first member in signup to my site. Who cares if he will not like it? After all I have his money. fuck that bastard! He would have not to signup for pay sites as thehun gives him porn for free
Perhaps time to make my first paysite with the content I have (50 sets of pics and 1.5 hours of videos).
I did not make a paysite with that before because I thinked it needed more content, but it appears I was wrong.

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10-06-2003, 03:54 AM

The morals is low, either you ask for a pass our buy an membership to see what's in the members area.

I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...
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10-06-2003, 04:06 AM

Pulling links to SilverCash sites because of anything Serge has said is just silly. Serge doesn't represent SilverCash, he represents himself.

Now if LA Mike said something you didn't like, sure go ahead and pull the links.

(PS this is meant for RedBumper, not Grogan)
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10-06-2003, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by Carrie
Pulling links to SilverCash sites because of anything Serge has said is just silly. Serge doesn't represent SilverCash, he represents himself.

Now if LA Mike said something you didn't like, sure go ahead and pull the links.

(PS this is meant for RedBumper, not Grogan)

Carrie, don't be stupid,
trying to envoke common sense on GFY is a fallacy!
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10-06-2003, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by PowerCum
So basically I got the idea:

1 ) It's profitable to be a scammer and rip the surfer
2 ) surfers join to 25 galleries site
3 ) I am wrong building galleries.
4 ) Instead of submitting galleries to the TGPs I will make a paysite with them.
5 ) Profit

errrr.... perhaps wrong... hmmm... YES, customers will not rebill nor come back.

So, as conclusion... I host 20 galleries on my home DSL line and request $30 per month for them. Even if one only surfer signs up I will pay the DSL line bill and will have $5 in benefits. COOL! Benefits from the first member in signup to my site. Who cares if he will not like it? After all I have his money. fuck that bastard! He would have not to signup for pay sites as thehun gives him porn for free
Perhaps time to make my first paysite with the content I have (50 sets of pics and 1.5 hours of videos).
I did not make a paysite with that before because I thinked it needed more content, but it appears I was wrong.

you were wrong and still are....you didn't learn shit today, which is probably no different from yesterday
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10-06-2003, 05:06 AM

SC makes all their money on the crosssales then? They have decent payouts to the webmaster on a 2.95 trial that rebills only 5% of the time?
What about doing memebers area upsales? aren't these easier if the surfer felt ok about the first purchase?
Silvercash has lots of niche sites would they treat those sites differently ubder your model?
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10-06-2003, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by slapass
SC makes all their money on the crosssales then? They have decent payouts to the webmaster on a 2.95 trial that rebills only 5% of the time?
What about doing memebers area upsales? aren't these easier if the surfer felt ok about the first purchase?
Silvercash has lots of niche sites would they treat those sites differently ubder your model?

how do you fuckers know what surfer really wants, and I am talking about VAST majority of surfers?

I bet 90% of you have no clue why they joined in the first place, what's their age, sex, etc...

morons throwing guesses in the dark,
that's who the majority of you are.
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10-06-2003, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by Groove

Brad's sites have first-rate content compared to
most of the other large networks.

Indeed!
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10-06-2003, 05:48 AM

hey, grogan - when you left the silvercash member area, did you get popups?

Serge_Oprano, i ran a little paysite that got regular emails from all the guys who came every few days to see the updates. and the stats showed that most of the recurring members came around every week. we knew their age group, whether they were married, and all sorts of stuff because with a lot of them, we had actual emails going back and forth. we knew what a lot of them did for a living, too. and some showed us other paysites in the same niche that they liked.

all the recurring programs i use that have great retention have one other thing: members who come back. sure, you can coast on the guys who didn't know or forgot, but you can see a lot more monthly rebills from actual members who like what you have. maybe that's why some sites rebill over 50% and some hang on at 20%.

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10-06-2003, 06:01 AM

there is a good Russian expression:
"Comparing fingers with the dick"

read the entire thread and see that you haven't said anything what wasn't said before

Originally posted by basschick
hey, grogan - when you left the silvercash member area, did you get popups?

Serge_Oprano, i ran a little paysite that got regular emails from all the guys who came every few days to see the updates. and the stats showed that most of the recurring members came around every week. we knew their age group, whether they were married, and all sorts of stuff because with a lot of them, we had actual emails going back and forth. we knew what a lot of them did for a living, too. and some showed us other paysites in the same niche that they liked.

all the recurring programs i use that have great retention have one other thing: members who come back. sure, you can coast on the guys who didn't know or forgot, but you can see a lot more monthly rebills from actual members who like what you have. maybe that's why some sites rebill over 50% and some hang on at 20%.
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10-06-2003, 06:03 AM

Serge_Oprano, having a bad day?

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10-06-2003, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Dear newbies with no clue,
content doesn't mean shit....

rebills was ALWAYS the people who forgot to cancel, since the Day One.

95% of the members never visit site more than 2-3 times and the rest 5% ain't worth the effort.

and before you keep on barking on the people who unlike you know how to make money, REAL money in this business,
I'll throw you the bone to chew on and THINK if you are capable...

High Socity sites used to have:
10 new pics a day, one video feed and according to FTC made only $230,000,000 in 20 months....

eat shit, morons
;-)))

exactly content does not really mean much. The reason a lot of sponsors are useing exclusive content is because its gives affilates content to use in advertising and converts better. If all the reality content was acutally keeping members much longer you would see higher payouts on those sites.
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10-06-2003, 07:30 AM

shit like that what silvercash is doing will hurt the paysite industry. if customers start going to shitty sites like that with no good content then they might start saving there money and stay with the free shit.

then that will be one less customer to other paysites!!!

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10-06-2003, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by basschick
Serge_Oprano, having a bad day?

why do you say that?
women should keep their mouths shut on the boards even more than men...

Intelligence is NOT one of your strong points, lady
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10-06-2003, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by cashalot
shit like that what silvercash is doing will hurt the paysite industry. if customers start going to shitty sites like that with no good content then they might start saving there money and stay with the free shit.

then that will be one less customer to other paysites!!!

oh puuhleeze, another industry savior...
sometimes I get the feeling that idiots just grow up on the trees....
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10-06-2003, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by bigdog

exactly content does not really mean much. The reason a lot of sponsors are useing exclusive content is because its gives affilates content to use in advertising and converts better. If all the reality content was acutally keeping members much longer you would see higher payouts on those sites.

Good quality exclusive content updated daily does mean a hell of a lot. Affiliates make far more than the $40 for a signup because the members rebill a lot longer than $40. My sites income is growing month on month because of the rebills and the retention is over 80%.

It works for me, my members and my affiliates

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10-06-2003, 07:55 AM

sc per signup prog does well for us

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10-06-2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

how do you fuckers know what surfer really wants, and I am talking about VAST majority of surfers?

I bet 90% of you have no clue why they joined in the first place, what's their age, sex, etc...

morons throwing guesses in the dark,
that's who the majority of you are.

Oops... i thought you knew the answers?
I have thought for a long time that we need to get some market data. Is the porn buyer older, do they repeat, are they wealthy, poor? All of these things would flesh out the average buyer.

I would bet that surfers do not buy the first itme they visit a site. Mainstream they buy 5-7 days after the first visit. Porn can't be that different.
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10-06-2003, 10:58 AM

I'll bet you that this idoit signed up under his own account and got paid an extra $30 for the signup.

I stay busy.
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10-06-2003, 11:53 AM

good thread.

sc ratios have hit the dumper completely with me this last month or so.

Maybe this is why
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10-06-2003, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by slapass

I would bet that surfers do not buy the first itme they visit a site. Mainstream they buy 5-7 days after the first visit. Porn can't be that different.

wrong...porn is VERY different...
do words
"instant gratification", "compulsory buying" ring a bell?
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#97

10-06-2003, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Kevin2

Good quality exclusive content updated daily does mean a hell of a lot. Affiliates make far more than the $40 for a signup because the members rebill a lot longer than $40. My sites income is growing month on month because of the rebills and the retention is over 80%.

It works for me, my members and my affiliates

yes and no...

for small niche sites -
yes,
for large mega sites - no
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blackmonsters

Making PHP work

Join Date: Nov 2002

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#98

10-06-2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Driven
Yep most paysites suck, I don't know how they pay $35-40 per signup, lots of shaving & as many cross sells as possible I bet, they sell good but they don't recur well at all, I heard 1.2 or 1.4 average for $39.95 sites probably not too far off the mark.

We made sure from the outset of our site, www.fuckherthroat.com to have www.wildpass.com with the most kickass amount of content and in formats that people love to use, mpeg & wmv. We just had a day today where 85% of the members recurred from last month, not small numbers either. Not like that everyday but damn its nice too see members using the members area and enjoying it for a change. so many times surfers feel ripped off by the crappy sites they join.

Hey, I wanted to promote your site but I never found any partner links. Maybe this is not available with your setup. How does wildpass work in your system? (ex. do you pay them a fee, what do they manage or provide).

Good luck.
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natas

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#99

10-06-2003, 01:27 PM

me too...that fuckherthroat looks like it might do well.

how do we sign up? if we can
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grogan

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#100

10-06-2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by natas
me too...that fuckherthroat looks like it might do well.

how do we sign up? if we can

ditto.
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