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Shocked at the little content in SilverCash's sites.

10-05-2003, 10:56 PM

Thought I'd grab a trial and see if they would convert members well for recurring. And....

NO WAY! No downloadable movies, and only about 8 streams in each site, which are all like freehosted ones to try to get you to buy the movie.

Sure, the surfer get's 70 sites for the price of one, but each only contain about 20 galleries in the niche, and then those movie feeds trying to get you to buy a dvd. Nothing I'd stay past the trial for if I were a potential customer.

Nuttin I wouldnt be able to find on about 2 sites.

Thought I'd throw in my
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10-05-2003, 10:57 PM

aren't all paysites like that nowadays?

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10-05-2003, 10:58 PM

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aren't all paysites like that nowadays?

No...most try to retain with good video content.

Looks like a members area from 1995 with better graphics.
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10-05-2003, 10:59 PM

more and more sponsors are flooding the net with paysites like this grogan, good observation. I think my most recent 4 or 5 sponsors have been the exact same way.

Makes you wonder how they can affort to pay affiliates per sign up with no deductions, when by all means the user should either chargeback or cancel after first month.

ps- where's my e-mail re e-mails

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10-05-2003, 10:59 PM

Yeah member retention = people who forget to cancel.

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10-05-2003, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by [Brian]
Yeah member retention = people who forget to cancel.

obviously.
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10-05-2003, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by calm

ps- where's my e-mail re e-mails

I put you on the list for the final production. We decided not to spend more time working with more traffic with just the 3 niches that have been fully tested.

Those payouts I quoted you are still accurate though. Sorry about the delay.
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10-05-2003, 11:02 PM

Well they may have to change very soon. People will sign up for a month, for a months worth of surfing. Or they are going to cancel or CB.

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10-05-2003, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by grogan

I put you on the list for the final production. We decided not to spend more time working with more traffic with just the 3 niches that have been fully tested.

Those payouts I quoted you are still accurate though. Sorry about the delay.

NP, we'll have some stuff to talk about though regarding volume, method of signups, etc. Got me interested with those payouts though, let's hope you can back it up .

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10-05-2003, 11:06 PM

grogan this is the smartest thread i have ever heard u post in/contribute to,
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10-05-2003, 11:15 PM

Yep most paysites suck, I don't know how they pay $35-40 per signup, lots of shaving & as many cross sells as possible I bet, they sell good but they don't recur well at all, I heard 1.2 or 1.4 average for $39.95 sites probably not too far off the mark.

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10-05-2003, 11:17 PM

can we get a temp username/pass Driven?

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10-05-2003, 11:21 PM

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grogan this is the smartest thread i have ever heard u post in/contribute to,

Yeah, but don't forget to cancel

I don't endorse a god damn thing......
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10-05-2003, 11:23 PM

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Yeah, but don't forget to cancel

lol, did a few screencaptures of the members area layouts and cancelled within 15 minutes.
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10-05-2003, 11:26 PM

check us out !
we shoot all our own content and have great conversions

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10-05-2003, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by laura
check us out !
we shoot all our own content and have great conversions

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yea, but I think juicy is in that content.

edit: had been thinking of promoting bookwormbitches, could work on some of my traffic I think.

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10-05-2003, 11:31 PM

Surprising subject and thread considering the source.

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10-05-2003, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by grogan

yea, but I think juicy is in that content.

edit: had been thinking of promoting bookwormbitches, could work on some of my traffic I think.

hahaha
juicy isnt in any of the videos on our sites! (as of yet)

try to send some traffic to BWB...trust me ....it converts

those nerd girls make us money
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10-05-2003, 11:40 PM

Thx for saving me $3.95 !! Now I won't ever have to sign up for a trial there before sending traffic
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10-05-2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by laura

hahaha
juicy isnt in any of the videos on our sites! (as of yet)

try to send some traffic to BWB...trust me ....it converts

those nerd girls make us money

Get us some rotating hosted pic and vid galleries and I would have already been promoting probably.

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10-05-2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by grogan
Thought I'd grab a trial and see if they would convert members well for recurring. And....

NO WAY! No downloadable movies, and only about 8 streams in each site, which are all like freehosted ones to try to get you to buy the movie.

Sure, the surfer get's 70 sites for the price of one, but each only contain about 20 galleries in the niche, and then those movie feeds trying to get you to buy a dvd. Nothing I'd stay past the trial for if I were a potential customer.

Nuttin I wouldnt be able to find on about 2 sites.

Thought I'd throw in my

I learned after a bit in this biz that I never promote anyone anymore unless they give me a member pass to check their site out for me to evaluate the potential, unless it's some crappy $1 email shit.

But then I found one sponsor that had a totally awesome site and member area with tons and tons and tons or exclusive content and they were shaving me so fucking bad that I couldn't even get one sale out of a few thousand hits a day for a month.

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10-05-2003, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Digipimp

I learned after a bit in this biz that I never promote anyone anymore unless they give me a member pass to check their site out for me to evaluate the potential, unless it's some crappy $1 email shit.

But then I found one sponsor that had a totally awesome site and member area with tons and tons and tons or exclusive content and they were shaving me so fucking bad that I couldn't even get one sale out of a few thousand hits a day for a month.

hey can you e-mail me, we've got a g5 that seems like it's about to explode, need a mac-pimp to help me straighten that bitch out

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10-05-2003, 11:56 PM

gimmie your user/pw so i can check it out?

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
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10-05-2003, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by calm

hey can you e-mail me, we've got a g5 that seems like it's about to explode, need a mac-pimp to help me straighten that bitch out

Hmm wouldn't my site be a good place for this convo? But I'll bet you've never even joined.

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10-06-2003, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by brand0n
gimmie your user/pw so i can check it out?

eee, sorry, already cancelled.

it's just 1.95 and easy cancel with ccbill. my description is pretty on target though. just sayin....wouldn't for the life of me use their recurring program (or any of them myself).
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10-06-2003, 12:14 AM

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Surprising subject and thread considering the source.

Ahhh, but have you actually considered the source, or are you just going by his recent move to appear on the radar? A move that was quite successful, I might point out.

With an early 2001 registration, he wasn't just lurking the entire time here. But if you review his early contributions, you'll see they never got much notice. In fact, I doubt anyone even recalls grogan's presence before the middle of last month.

Sure, he might have some haters now, but he'll do quite well for himself from now on.

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10-06-2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by integrated
aren't all paysites like that nowadays?

lol

I think most are.. I know my members are amazed at how a simple amateur site can have so much content, when most pro paysites they join have so little..

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10-06-2003, 01:15 AM

Dear newbies with no clue,
content doesn't mean shit....

rebills was ALWAYS the people who forgot to cancel, since the Day One.

95% of the members never visit site more than 2-3 times and the rest 5% ain't worth the effort.

and before you keep on barking on the people who unlike you know how to make money, REAL money in this business,
I'll throw you the bone to chew on and THINK if you are capable...

High Socity sites used to have:
10 new pics a day, one video feed and according to FTC made only $230,000,000 in 20 months....

eat shit, morons
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10-06-2003, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by integrated
aren't all paysites like that nowadays?

lol

No

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10-06-2003, 01:33 AM

Serge: "95% of the members never visit site more than 2-3 times " No one would ever log in to a siccash site the 3rd time. Read on:

Serge, I already said "obviously" it is people who forget. But since I was in the market for decent intentional rebills, I shopped elsewhere.

In case YOU didn't know, sites like ce ars etc AT LEAST have some filler content in there (costs oh a good 5 g's for 100k pics) so the surfer doesn't run out of content 15 minutes after they signup.

Seems, oh how shall I say....stupid to not include that filler content and seriously beg the surfer to cancell their membership (unless, like you said, they forgot completely).

My question to you serge, oh mighty one, why BEG the surfer to cancell the second they signup? Let em get a boner once, see there are still a few thousand pics in there they haven't seen, and then forget they ever signed up.

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10-06-2003, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by grogan

My question to you serge, oh mighty one, why BEG the surfer to cancell the second they signup? Let em get a boner once, see there are still a few thousand pics in there they haven't seen, and then forget they ever signed up.

before I begin, please tell me your mathematical background, so I know how deep should I go there.
This might be a lengthy topic and I don't wanna waste myself if the terms I used are not understandable
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10-06-2003, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Dear newbies with no clue,
content doesn't mean shit....

rebills was ALWAYS the people who forgot to cancel, since the Day One.

95% of the members never visit site more than 2-3 times and the rest 5% ain't worth the effort.

and before you keep on barking on the people who unlike you know how to make money, REAL money in this business,
I'll throw you the bone to chew on and THINK if you are capable...

High Socity sites used to have:
10 new pics a day, one video feed and according to FTC made only $230,000,000 in 20 months....

eat shit, morons
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Dear Serge,

Have you ever seen the inside of CE?

Oh.. but I guess Ron doesn't have a clue right?... wasting all that money on content.

(note... a couple years ago when I was inside CE members area, I think they had just about every available feed and/or non-exlcusive video/photo out there... and I'm sure they had plenty of exclusive stuff too)

So keeping in mind they sort of set the par back in those days....

Sure you can make money scamming people - there are a lot of stupid and/or lazy people out there.

But I think if you give them what you said you would, what they wanted - they will remember you for it and after surfing through the shitty trials of everyone else, will remember you and come back.

Or take quiet for example... several hundred high quality, downloadble, exclusive video sets....all for under $20/mo.

But I guess quiet has his ass up his head for that one when he could be making millions more by scamming people right?
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10-06-2003, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by grogan
Serge: "95% of the members never visit site more than 2-3 times " No one would ever log in to a siccash site the 3rd time. .

...and Brad prospers, while 95% of GFYers suck dick and make it month to month,
do you follow the common denominator?

LA Mike is not borrowing money from me either,
does THAT tell you something?

Learning from prior sucessful people is ALWAYS more profitable than show one's ignorance and lack of understanding HOW and WHY they are sucessful, even though it's not obvious to YOU.

If EVERYBODY could figure things out,
on the net, in real life,
EVERRYBODY would be equally rich and no poverty would exist, which is not the case.
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10-06-2003, 01:45 AM

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10-06-2003, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

before I begin, please tell me your mathematical background, so I know how deep should I go there.
This might be a lengthy topic and I don't wanna waste myself if the terms I used are not understandable

calc and beyond.

Simple question serge and this has not been meant to piss you off:

Stick 5,000 pics in the members area. OR have just 20 galleries.

Person see's limited galleries, cancels site right then, or forgets and rebills.

OR Person stays for 30 minutes, see's there is more content, and then purposely lets the trial renue, and then perhaps forgets to cancell next time or if and when he gets bored with the site, or just doesn't go back often enough.

The only reason the 20 galleries one could be better is because they never intended to go back, AND never look at their credit card bills.
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10-06-2003, 01:47 AM

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Dear Serge,

Have you ever seen the inside of CE?

?

yeah....first time I looked was 1996 and the second time I did and posted my comments on YNOT about their questionable content,
the CE owner Paul Lesser had to fly to my office in NJ from Calabasas just to attempt to shut my mouth
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Ron, ARS,
they have taken different approach,
"mega site" approach,
the approach which is NOT suitable for 95% of webmasters,
none of whom have enough funds to invest what they have invested to compete with them.

Those who have their goals to become "next CE" will fail miserably.
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10-06-2003, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

...and Brad prospers, while 95% of GFYers suck dick and make it month to month,
do you follow the common denominator?

sorry I meant SilverCash site, not siccash. Not sure if Brad owns both, but I said siccash instead of silvercash in the one you quoted.
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10-06-2003, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by grogan

calc and beyond.

Simple question serge and this has not been meant to piss you off:

Stick 5,000 pics in the members area. OR have just 20 galleries.

Person see's limited galleries, cancels site right then, or forgets and rebills.

OR Person stays for 30 minutes, see's there is more content, and then purposely lets the trial renue, and then perhaps forgets to cancell next time or if and when he gets bored with the site, or just doesn't go back often enough.

The only reason the 20 galleries one could be better is because they never intended to go back, AND never look at their credit card bills.

you are NOT pissing me off,
as a matter of fact, I like people who ask questions and poke ribs, I used to be one of those
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10-06-2003, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by grogan

sorry I meant SilverCash site, not siccash. Not sure if Brad owns both, but I said siccash instead of silvercash in the one you quoted.

Brad doesn't own both,
and I doubt he has limited amount oif content,
he produces content and therefore has it up the wazoo
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10-06-2003, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Those who have their goals to become "next CE" will fail miserably.

True. But would you really say adding a content plug and a 5,000 pic page to the members area is BAD? It seems like your saying you should intentionally limit the content, hope they forget, and never check their cc bills.

Maybe your right about 95% just forget, but 95% of American porn surfers do not forget to glance at their visa bill before they pay it month in and month out. People buy generic soup you know.
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10-06-2003, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Those who have their goals to become "next CE" will fail miserably.

So basically what you're saying is that if a newbie wants to make it in this business, he/she should scam, false advertise to, and otherwise decieve this industries customers.
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10-06-2003, 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Brad doesn't own both,
and I doubt he has limited amount oif content,
he produces content and therefore has it up the wazoo
;-)

Brad's sites have first-rate content compared to
most of the other large networks.
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10-06-2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by grogan

The only reason the 20 galleries one could be better is because they never intended to go back, AND never look at their credit card bills.

now you getting somewhere.....you do NOT want surfer to get back...
5000 pics or 500,000 pics...
YOU look at them and see how boring they all are....you look at 30 pics, you satisfied your curiousity,
and the best the pay site owner is hoping for is for the surfer to never get back...cause if he does - he cancels out of boredom anyway
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10-06-2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano

Brad doesn't own both,
and I doubt he has limited amount oif content,
he produces content and therefore has it up the wazoo
;-)

Yea I was just saying it was the silvercash sites that no one would log in 3 times to.

Read my other responses and you'll hit that common question I have been asking.

It's Better to have near no content than a low cost movie plugin and 5,000 pic index?
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10-06-2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Groove

Brad's sites have first-rate content compared to
most of the other large networks.

as I suspected earlier
;-)

never been to his sites and he is too cheap to send me passwd
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10-06-2003, 01:55 AM

Recurring 101 Class is in session.

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10-06-2003, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by grogan

Yea I was just saying it was the silvercash sites that no one would log in 3 times to.

Read my other responses and you'll hit that common question I have been asking.

It's Better to have near no content than a low cost movie plugin and 5,000 pic index?

I say it's better NOT give the surfer the reason to come back and the reason to FORGET that he is a member of your site...
than the laws of big numbers and statistics start work in your favor
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10-06-2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by goBigtime

So basically what you're saying is that if a newbie wants to make it in this business, he/she should scam, false advertise to, and otherwise decieve this industries customers.

no, I say that only a MORON would attempt to put words in my mouth...and this si exactly what you are trying to do
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10-06-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Serge_Oprano
Dear newbies with no clue,
content doesn't mean shit....

rebills was ALWAYS the people who forgot to cancel, since the Day One.

95% of the members never visit site more than 2-3 times and the rest 5% ain't worth the effort.

and before you keep on barking on the people who unlike you know how to make money, REAL money in this business,
I'll throw you the bone to chew on and THINK if you are capable...

High Socity sites used to have:
10 new pics a day, one video feed and according to FTC made only $230,000,000 in 20 months....

eat shit, morons
;-)))

SC is out of my books and all links are pulled. If you think about members who WE reffer to you like that you ain't worth one single click. I honestly was thinking we are providing something for our customers but it's very clear to me that SE thinks otherwise. Let them join a crappy site and hope we get those "forgotten" rebills. In other way, cheat the customer.
Who is to say if SE acts towards customers like that, that they wouldn't do that to webmasters.
I don't trust you guys anymore....... plain and simple

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Serge_Oprano

So Fucking Banned

Join Date: Feb 2002

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10-06-2003, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by grogan

True. But would you really say adding a content plug and a 5,000 pic page to the members area is BAD? It seems like your saying you should intentionally limit the content, hope they forget, and never check their cc bills.

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YES, this is EXACTLY what I am saying....
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