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Verotel sites..... is this legal?

10-03-2003, 09:17 AM

I don't really know if this is illegal or not but some of these sites have topless pictures of underaged teens. All using "verotel" as the biller. If a biller has to make $$ using sites like this what does that say about that biller?

Verotel: http://www.darlamodel.com/ Claims to started shooting topless content at 16 and claims to be 17 now.

Verotel: http://www.paige3.co.uk/ Born September 1986 - 3 Pics in thet preview area are a little too much for a 16 year old if you ask me.

Verotel: http://www.sweet-kerstin.com/preview.htm - Click the "about me" link, she is 16

Verotel: http://www.c-lia.de/gallery.html - Click "about me" she is 16

Verotel: http://www.lorettateenmodel.com/preview.htm - In her "about me" link - 16 years old

Verotel: http://www.sweet-marie.com/ Click the preview link, atleats one pic without that goes a little to far

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10-03-2003, 09:23 AM

1st site:
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10-03-2003, 09:26 AM

They are european so they dont really care and if I am correct in parts of europe you can shoot 16 and 17 yrs old nude, its not illegal.
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10-03-2003, 09:27 AM

lets report them..

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10-03-2003, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by tony404
They are european so they dont really care and if I am correct in parts of europe you can shoot 16 and 17 yrs old nude, its not illegal.

Not in Germany and if a biller had any common sence....... I'm sure that where Verotel is located underaged teens are illegal.

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10-03-2003, 09:28 AM

It is entirely possible that you don't have to be 18 to be topless on the web in some countries.. but I doubt those sites are based in those countries (are they?). Besides, Visa International doesn't allow it, do they?

It says to me that the biller is probably careless and doesn't monitor the sites they bill for.

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10-03-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by skillfull
lets report them..

for what? it's legal in Europe whether you, me, or anyone else likes or agrees/disagree with it. It's not porn so who gives a flying fuck.
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10-03-2003, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by RedBumper

Not in Germany and if a biller had any common sence....... I'm sure that where Verotel is located underaged teens are illegal.

wrong. they are in the netherlands.
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10-03-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by tony404
They are european so they dont really care and if I am correct in parts of europe you can shoot 16 and 17 yrs old nude, its not illegal.

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10-03-2003, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Alvaro

wrong. they are in the netherlands.

Didn't know it was legal upthere........
Then you still have the moral aspect, i wouldn't want to have anything to do with underaged teen sites that show topless girls or more. We all know why people signup at those sites, let's not start kidding ourselves here and i'm sure verotel knows that too.

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10-03-2003, 10:05 AM

As far as i know, legal age in the Netherlands and Uk is 16.
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10-03-2003, 10:08 AM

Hey guys here is something

If you dont like it dont look at it

I didnt bother lookin at the site because i have no intrest in seeing half nude 16 year old girls.

Stop seraching for underage porn and you wont have to bother with it.

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10-03-2003, 10:11 AM

ya highschool ends at 16 in the netherlands thats when they start college, so they can prettty much do anything from what i understand. *shrug* would have to ask people from payserve, they are the netherland people they would know best.

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10-03-2003, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by tony404
They are european so they dont really care and if I am correct in parts of europe you can shoot 16 and 17 yrs old nude, its not illegal.

No its 18 in Holland too.
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10-03-2003, 11:45 AM

Actually topless pics are not illegal anywhere even the US. Only "sexually suggestive poses or poses where the genitals are the main focal point" is. You can shoot full body nude's of any age. See david hamilton sold in your local barnes and noble. These items are "prohibited" by VISA ...not illegal. big difference. yet you can still use your visa to buy them at barnes and noble...

If she's out grabbing herself well thats another story.
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10-03-2003, 11:54 AM

What do you guys do? search for underage porn, jack off, and then come report it on the boards?? fucking strange

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10-03-2003, 11:55 AM

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10-03-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by BCyber
What do you guys do? search for underage porn, jack off, and then come report it on the boards?? fucking strange

Hey morron, if you do adult biz you come across such sites from:

1 - submitted galleries in your TGP and/or MGP database.
2 - a fucking pop-up from a site
3 - spam email someone sends to emails he/she spidered on any adult board/newsgroup/etc...

and i got plenty more reasons but if you couldn't figure that out yourself i guess your just stupid and that would explain your remark.

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10-03-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by fris
ya highschool ends at 16 in the netherlands thats when they start college, so they can prettty much do anything from what i understand.

Wrong on all accounts.

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10-03-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by TheViper

No its 18 in Holland too.

Yup. Although, like in all other countries, non-erotic nude photography is pretty much legal for all ages.

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10-03-2003, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Yup. Although, like in all other countries, non-erotic nude photography is pretty much legal for all ages.

For some people nude underaged girls are erotic..... where do they draw the line?
As i understand it, this type of sites has to be catergorized as "teen model sites" but i'm having my doubts about the real purpose of those sites.

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10-03-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by RedBumper

For some people nude underaged girls are erotic..... where do they draw the line?
As i understand it, this type of sites has to be catergorized as "teen model sites" but i'm having my doubts about the real purpose of those sites.

There is no clear line. That's the whole problem. What's art and what's porn?

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10-03-2003, 02:57 PM

It's completely legal in the UK, both erotic adult photography of sixteen year olds and sex at sixteen. As it is in several Euro countries.

Strange thing is, sex at sixteen has the 'just do it' logo, whereas erotic modelling at sixteen (and seventeen) does require parents/guardians consent. Very strange world we live in.

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10-03-2003, 03:06 PM

this may sound a little old fashioned for only being 19 myself but where are these girls mothers?

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10-03-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by PreciousB
this may sound a little old fashioned for only being 19 myself but where are these girls mothers?

Filling out parental consent forms

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10-03-2003, 03:07 PM

17 yr olds are hot, nice tight bodies etc.
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10-03-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by PreciousB
this may sound a little old fashioned for only being 19 myself but where are these girls mothers?

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10-03-2003, 03:52 PM

If you are that worried send an email to Risk Management at Verotel for a legal ruling:

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PJ Maka is the compliance guru there and will respond to your query :-)

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10-03-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by grogan
17 yr olds are hot, nice tight bodies etc.

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10-03-2003, 03:59 PM

The age of consent in the UK and Australia along with many other places is 16. In Australia however it is not legal to publish sexually explicit photos or videos of any person under 18.

As someone who lives in a country where the age of consent has long been 16 years I really cannot understand the mindset of some of you American idiots who see a picture of a topless 16 or 17 year old and then equate that to child porn.

I'm also concerned about some people on this board who repeatedly post what that suspect to be illegal material or link to illegal material.

If you are smart enough to be able to determine what is legal or illegal, however most of you don't have a clue it seems, then you would be smart enough to report your concerns to the appropriate authorities and not post suspect material here.

I wonder what the average intelligence of many posters here is, I am not convinced it would be very high at all.
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10-03-2003, 04:03 PM

As obvious as these sites are.. If they were illegal, they'd be gone..

That should be some indication of their legality....
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10-03-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by OzMedia

I wonder what the average intelligence of many posters here is, I am not convinced it would be very high at all.

The posts themselves should be an obvious indication..

It has become a high school board in the last couple of months..
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10-03-2003, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by RedBumper

Didn't know it was legal upthere........
Then you still have the moral aspect, i wouldn't want to have anything to do with underaged teen sites that show topless girls or more. We all know why people signup at those sites, let's not start kidding ourselves here and i'm sure verotel knows that too.

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10-03-2003, 06:21 PM

The irony is that most of the models look like they are of legal age. I have seen younger looking eighteen year olds... I wonder if that would be illegal, to use models of legal age, and then market them as being underage. That would seem like an Orwellian thought-crime.
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10-03-2003, 06:35 PM

seems like there are two separate issues here:

the legal issue of whether the models are of age. you can report the sites to the authorities in the countries involved if you're not comfortable.

the visa issue - whether it's legal or not isn't the question here. it's whether visa will close down another processor for doing something against their regs, legal or not. and if that happens, more paysites will need processing and more people won't get paid.

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10-03-2003, 07:23 PM

basschick how do you know what Visa's regs are in the EU?
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10-03-2003, 07:47 PM

WWW.darlamodel.com pinged to 216.67.225.237....

Hmmmm....Parsippany, New Jersey... Exactly what part of Europe is that in ??

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OrgName: Pegasus Web Technologies
OrgID: PWT-5
Address: 1719 Route10E, Suite 220
City: Parsippany
StateProv: NJ
PostalCode: 07417
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RegDate: 2003-03-27
Updated: 2003-06-05

OrgTechHandle: JS3618-ARIN
OrgTechName: Silverglate, Jason
OrgTechPhone: +1-973-267-4707
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]

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10-03-2003, 07:52 PM

I was in Parsippany once.
I noticed some nufity on that site!!!

So who is gonna call this lameass and ask him wtf is up with his sites?
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10-03-2003, 09:05 PM

I myself wondering why REDBUMPER is out at the sites any way and realy if you like at the first site that girl looks way more then the age of 16 to me they are showing you her as that age and she sure as hell isnt

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10-04-2003, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by prostock
I myself wondering why REDBUMPER is out at the sites any way and realy if you like at the first site that girl looks way more then the age of 16 to me they are showing you her as that age and she sure as hell isnt

Maybe you should try to read a whole thread before you reply and add stupid remarks. How does one get on sucha site?
Simple, as i explained before:

1 - submitted galleries in your TGP and/or MGP database.
2 - a fucking pop-up from a site
3 - spam email someone sends to emails he/she spidered on any adult board/newsgroup/etc...

If someone is 18 and claims to be 16 IMHO that is only to attrack perverts who like to look at underaged teens. If Verotal and VISA support such actions then the world must be a very fucking crazy place.

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10-04-2003, 02:26 AM

Not that I support this, but here in Austria, Europe the cp limit is 14. So we actually don't give a fuck for 16 year old girls.

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10-04-2003, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by doober
basschick how do you know what Visa's regs are in the EU?

i didn't say it was against their regs, but visa is really one company and i HAVE heard rumblings. i'm sure you have, tool.

sarettah, Parsippany, New Jersey sure isn't in any part of europe i could find ;-) and if those sites are hosted in the states, that brings up another legal issue about minors.

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