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  • JMM
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2001
    • 1755

    #1

    C&D me, you only fuck yourself.

    On January 29, 2002 I received a cease and desist letter via federal express from Internet PM ordering me to discontinue the use of the term " ADULT TURNKEY" on my company's design site. Shortly after receiving the letter, I called the president of Internet PM to discuss the matter. The pissant explained to me that he had the best lawyers in California and that I had 24 hours to remove the term from my websites or he would sue me.

    Hogwash little pissant.

    That afternoon, I contacted my attorney who handles intellectual property and we begun the processing of having the trademark office revoke the pissant's registered trademark.

    Last week, the USPTO cancelled registration of the trademark " ADULT TURNKEY".

    http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?r...entry=76000603

    I guess the pissant hadn't yet heard of my attorney.

    I would like to thank Brad Shaw for paying for 1/3 of the process to have the trademark revoked and cancelled. Many here are big talkers, Brad is one of the few who consistently puts his money where his mouth is. Thanks again Brad.
  • GoGoBar
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2002
    • 1439

    #2
    Awaiting the owned pics...

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    • Shok
      Confirmed User
      • Apr 2001
      • 5611

      #3
      if it didn't work out I would have changed it to ADULT TURKEY


      oh and


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      • Sharky
        Confirmed User
        • Mar 2002
        • 4938

        #4
        am I the only one who noticed that Steve workman is the attorney of record for that?

        :-)

        Correspondent (Owner)
        STEVEN W WORKMAN (Attorney of record)

        601973 BC.LTD

        110-174 WILSON STREET CAX
        VICTORIA BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA V9A 7


        Domestic Representative
        Steven W. Workman
        Sharky

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        • BradShaw
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2001
          • 7840

          #5
          Everyone who is selling turnkeys, please make sure you properly kiss my ass! Seriously though, Jeff did a great job going through all the procedures to fight this. I just wrote a check.
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          • Sly_RJ
            Live Hard - Die Hard
            • Feb 2002
            • 17042

            #6
            Congratulations. Somehow Brad keeps earning my respect. Shh... don't tell anyone!
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            • JMM
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2001
              • 1755

              #7
              Originally posted by sharky
              am I the only one who noticed that Steve workman is the attorney of record for that?

              :-)

              Correspondent (Owner)
              STEVEN W WORKMAN (Attorney of record)

              601973 BC.LTD

              110-174 WILSON STREET CAX
              VICTORIA BRITISH COLUMBIA, CANADA V9A 7


              Domestic Representative
              Steven W. Workman
              Steve was the attorney of record on the registration. I do not believe he was involved in the cancellation proceedings.

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              • Forest
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2001
                • 9135

                #8
                Good Job!!!

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                • WiredGuy
                  Pounding Googlebot
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 34516

                  #9
                  I'm curious as to two things:

                  1) Why did Brad Shaw offer to help pay to dissolute the TM? Not complaining, it's quite a nice thing for him to do, just wondering what he had to gain by it.

                  2) Isn't Steve Workman an in-house attorney for NetManagement? Name rings a bell, I remember talking to him a couple weeks ago about another legal matter.

                  WG
                  I play with Google.

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                  • BradShaw
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 7840

                    #10
                    Steve was on retainer for a lot of webmasters before going to Net Management. In fact, he did my trademark paperwork for "amateur beaver", funny thing is that his current employer owns amateurbeaver.com

                    We sold 100's of turnkeys years ago (still do sell them, but they do not fly off the shelves like the old days). Made sense to support Jeff's fight.
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                    • JMM
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 1755

                      #11
                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                      I'm curious as to two things:

                      1) Why did Brad Shaw offer to help pay to dissolute the TM? Not complaining, it's quite a nice thing for him to do, just wondering what he had to gain by it.

                      2) Isn't Steve Workman an in-house attorney for NetManagement? Name rings a bell, I remember talking to him a couple weeks ago about another legal matter.

                      WG
                      Brad agreed to help pay the costs because he sells adult turnkeys (at least he used to). This was an issue that touched all designers that sell turnkeys. I contacted several others and none were interested in helping. Nice huh? People don't realize that these issues that come up touch us all. Some are willing to help, most become unavailable on ICQ. Pretty sad really.

                      The registration occurred when Steve was in private practice, before he went to work for Net Management.

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                      • WiredGuy
                        Pounding Googlebot
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 34516

                        #12
                        Thanks for clarifying these two points Brad and Jeff. And Congrats on the win.

                        WG
                        I play with Google.

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                        • dantheman
                          OG
                          • May 2002
                          • 3308

                          #13
                          I believe workman has resigned from net mangt also.


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                          • Probono
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 2731

                            #14
                            Current Status: Registration canceled under Section 18.

                            ? What is section 18? Ie: was this you cannot TYrademark a common use phrase?

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                            • brand0n
                              been very busy
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 26983

                              #15
                              thats alot of pissant in 1 convo, congrads on the win.. fuckin pissants
                              want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                              • JMM
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2001
                                • 1755

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Probono
                                Current Status: Registration canceled under Section 18.

                                ? What is section 18? Ie: was this you cannot TYrademark a common use phrase?
                                Yeah, something like that. If I get around to it (which I won't so don't wait for it) I will scan our pleadings and post them somewhere. Section 18 is the part of the trademark act which addresses cancellations and appeals.

                                I tried to explain to the pissant on the phone that I didn't think his registration would hold water. That is when he started in with the "best lawyers in california" and "I will sue you" bullshit.

                                He shouldn't ought to have done that.

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                                • WiredGuy
                                  Pounding Googlebot
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 34516

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JMM
                                  I tried to explain to the pissant on the phone that I didn't think his registration would hold water. That is when he started in with the "best lawyers in california" and "I will sue you" bullshit.

                                  He shouldn't ought to have done that.
                                  I'd love to see his face now
                                  WG
                                  I play with Google.

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                                  • Serge_Oprano
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 9820

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BradShaw
                                    Steve was on retainer for a lot of webmasters before going to Net Management. In fact, he did my trademark paperwork for "amateur beaver", funny thing is that his current employer owns amateurbeaver.com

                                    We sold 100's of turnkeys years ago (still do sell them, but they do not fly off the shelves like the old days). Made sense to support Jeff's fight.
                                    his current employer????

                                    I thought he resigned just before I went to Italy...
                                    no connection, of course
                                    ;-)))

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                                    • BradShaw
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2001
                                      • 7840

                                      #19
                                      I have enough trouble keeping up with my own employees, I can not keep up with JB and Joe's.

                                      My experience with Steve Workman has always been very positive.
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                                      • Tipsy
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 6989

                                        #20
                                        Almost makes you regain a little faith in the system. A huge
                                        Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                        • LeeNoga
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2001
                                          • 3043

                                          #21
                                          Excellent outcome JMM, and thanks Brad for stepping up and financing a part of the case. Everyone benefits in the long run for whatever reasons you donated the cash....:-)))

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                                          • makefuckingmoney
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 3277

                                            #22
                                            Wow this brings a tear to my eye..

                                            Im so proud of both of you...

                                            Ive raised you right boys..



                                            Chris

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                                            • makefuckingmoney
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Oct 2003
                                              • 3277

                                              #23
                                              Did the other guy fight it?

                                              Or was it like a default win for you?


                                              Chris

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                                              • MichaelP
                                                Registered User
                                                • Aug 2003
                                                • 7123

                                                #24
                                                Nice move Brad !

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                                                • JMM
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                  • 1755

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
                                                  Did the other guy fight it?

                                                  Or was it like a default win for you?


                                                  Chris
                                                  Yes. They filed a response to our challenge. Other than that, I don't know what transpired back and forth. I have not yet received the final file from my attorney.

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                                                  • BradShaw
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                    • 7840

                                                    #26
                                                    Chris, is that a tear on my eye????
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                                                    • Sharky
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                      • 4938

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BradShaw
                                                      My experience with Steve Workman has always been very positive.
                                                      Likewise.
                                                      Steve took very good care of me in the past.
                                                      Sharky

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                                                      • KC
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jan 1995
                                                        • 2417

                                                        #28
                                                        Congrats guys! Fuck these cock holsters

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                                                        • Hammer
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Apr 2003
                                                          • 961

                                                          #29
                                                          My thanks to JMM and Brad. I never heard about this or I would have contributed. Fortunately for me my turnkeys are still flying off the shelf and I want to keep it that way.

                                                          Thanks guys.
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                                                          • Mike AI
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 3624

                                                            #30
                                                            As the traditional porn industry starts feeling heat of overexpansion, crack down by VISA, its hard for the cockholsters to continue their practices of ripping off surfers.

                                                            So now they are turning inside and going to go after their counterparts.... The whole patent things that have been going on, is part of this. I promise you there are people inside this industry who are working to undermine YOU, and to take the money that you have worked hard to earn....

                                                            Patents, trademarks on obvious silly things will be their weapons, and the attorneys will be their soldiers....

                                                            This is just one drop in the bucket!

                                                            Hats off to JMM who is the front line of this battle and fighting like a champ!!


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                                                            • titmowse
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 5320

                                                              #31
                                                              impressive
                                                              I still love everybody

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                                                              • KRL
                                                                Entrepreneur
                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                • 31429

                                                                #32
                                                                Nice! Very Nice JMM!

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