Originally posted by NBDesign
That explains a lot....
That explains a lot....
Sly is the smartest 20ish I have seen around these parts.
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I like your posts !Originally posted by broke
Haters that talk about poverty.
80% of people around the world would love to live in America's version of poverty.
Quit being a baby and grow up.
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You are an idiot.Originally posted by ThunderBalls
I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying poor people won't starve because they can eat chicken?
I'll go out on a limb here and say poor people won't STARVE because they can eat chicken.
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How is that off base?Originally posted by Sly_RJ
So do you have a response for anything above? Or are you just going to take cracks at my age when it was posted to show how off base you really are?
being in poverty does not mean that you are totally without...
Poverty has many levels....
We are talking about a national standard of living... the "American Dream" Your own house, a good job and being able to provide a good life and education for your family.
Look at todays standards compared to say the 50's and 60's... Back then, a family could still hit middle class with only one parent working... today... both parents have to work to provide a decent life for their children... (again.. talking the average.. not the exceptions).
Hell, we were not rich when I was growing up... Yes, I had birthday's, we had christmas... so do many poverty stricken people.. but to what extent do you have it?
Poverty is having to bargan shop, not having the extra $$ for the little things... poverty is just getting by.. and less.. poverty is not just a homless person on the street...
You said you lived in a trailer... nothing wrong with that... but that is not a home.. did you own it?
one car... did both parents work? how did the other get to work? Where I live.. there is no bus line... you either walk for miles to get anywhere or you drive, ride a bike whatever.... when it's 102 outside, like today.. that is no way to show up for work... all sweaty and smelly.
Did your family ever worry where their next meal was comming from? If the electric was going to be paid.. or water, heat whatever?
As for the age crack... dude, you are only 20... you have no clue yet to what life is really like... I think you are in for a rude awakening...
Seriously.. life has it's ups and downs... but when you are down and get behind on things.. bills etc... it is very hard to get caught up again.
Poverty is a bitch and is a fucking had thing to get out of... and if you seriously think that 21k a year for a family is not poverty.. then you have a lot of learning to do.Comment
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NPOriginally posted by phogirl69
I didn't mean to quote you, I quoted the wrong person, I meant to quote Greg B who said it was on the poverty level already for ONE person to make below 21k anually.
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And the other point I was trying to dispute is that it's not true
that you need to make 40k to live in La, and apartments are not 2k either, unless you are living somewhere with a doorman or something.
I agree that 21k for a FAMILY is poverty if you have kids and all, but if you are by yourself it's not that bad, I would not consider that poverty.Last edited by phogirl69; 09-26-2003, 12:29 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by broke
You are an idiot.
I'll go out on a limb here and say poor people won't STARVE because they can eat chicken.
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Your post makes about as much sense as someone calling themself 'broke' bitching about poor people. Havent been on this planet very long have you.Last edited by ThunderBalls; 09-26-2003, 12:33 PM.Comment
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Why? Would you rush to adopt it? Of course not.Originally posted by broke
Name one 'efficient' one.
Much more sensible - for example - to keep the most expensive health care system in the world, even if it is less effective than a long list of socialized health programs.
And heaven forbid we should have an educationsystem good enough to teach people the difference between "socialized" and "socialist".Comment
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So you've already been reduced to going after user names?Originally posted by ThunderBalls
Your post makes about as much sense as someone calling themself 'broke' bitching about poor people. Havent been on this planet very long have you.
Funny -- some people will never get a joke.Comment
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Nice duck.Originally posted by jayeff
Why? Would you rush to adopt it? Of course not.
Much more sensible - for example - to keep the most expensive health care system in the world, even if it is less effective than a long list of socialized health programs.
And heaven forbid we should have an educationsystem good enough to teach people the difference between "socialized" and "socialist".
You could be a 'contender'!
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What part of LA do you live in?Originally posted by phogirl69
And the other point I was trying to dispute is that it's not true
that you need to make 40k to live in La, and apartments are not 2k either, unless you are living somewhere with a doorman or something.
I agree that 21k for a FAMILY is poverty if you have kids and all, but if you are by yourself it's not that bad, I would not consider that poverty.
I moved away about 10 years ago... almost went back 3 years ago... when I got there... I was amazed to see how much apartments had gone up... I look at several... some areas I would not want my worse enemy living in and they wanted 900.00 for a 1 bedroom....
I needed a place to accommodate my stuff... office firniture and so on... found a place that was half the size of my townhouse here and 3 times the rent.
I would way if you have about 3 roomates then yes... 21k is doable in la... hell, I lived on 21k there... but then again.. that was 10 years ago... and I had a GF paying half the bills...Comment
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Originally posted by broke
So you've already been reduced to going after user names?
Funny -- some people will never get a joke.
Maybe when you get some real life experience you'll get taken seriously. Going to Taco Bell on the way home from school doesnt qualify.Comment
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Originally posted by NBDesign
What part of LA do you live in?
I moved away about 10 years ago... almost went back 3 years ago... when I got there... I was amazed to see how much apartments had gone up... I look at several... some areas I would not want my worse enemy living in and they wanted 900.00 for a 1 bedroom....
I needed a place to accommodate my stuff... office firniture and so on... found a place that was half the size of my townhouse here and 3 times the rent.
I would way if you have about 3 roomates then yes... 21k is doable in la... hell, I lived on 21k there... but then again.. that was 10 years ago... and I had a GF paying half the bills...
I live in Westminster in Orange County. My old apartment was
$1,150 for a 2 bedroom in (what I think) is a decent area. Other people's may opinions may vary about the neighborhood. But it was a gated complex, landscaped inside, had a pool, jacuzzi, fitness room. I think that is more of a fancier place, I know of another place that's $900 for a 2 bedroom that is in a more "ghetto" area with no covered or secured parking, and it's not gated, but it will do. It's not THAT bad.
When I first left home and lived on my own for the very first time, this was around 3-4 years ago, I used to pay $675 for a studio. The neighborhood "looked" ghetto, but it wasn't that bad , to me anyways. Some of my friends thought the meighborhood looked "scary" or "dangerous" but I got used to it so it was nothing to me.
But real estate prices for BUYING a home are pretty high, nice normal 2 story houses here are going for almost $500,000 and that's just for a "normal" 3-4 bedroom.
I don't really care about gangbanger's hanging outside the house, I have a roommate that likes to bring them INSIDE my house which is even worse (her bf is one of them), but that's a whole new different topic
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Please.Originally posted by ThunderBalls
Maybe when you get some real life experience you'll get taken seriously. Going to Taco Bell on the way home from school doesnt qualify.
If you're so interested in my age and 'life experience'...
here you go.
I'm 29 and have LIVED on three continents in the last five years and I'm qualified to speak on the subject....
are you?
Not all of us have to stick our dicks out to prove our worth... keep trying though.Last edited by broke; 09-26-2003, 12:52 PM.Comment
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but orange county is not LA... you can get some screaming deals in the san fernando valley too but then again.. that is not LA... well... maybe it it... it's in LA county... so hard to tell where LA ends and these other palces begin lolOriginally posted by phogirl69
I live in Westminster in Orange County. My old apartment was
$1,150 for a 2 bedroom in (what I think) is a decent area. Other people's may opinions may vary about the neighborhood. But it was a gated complex, landscaped inside, had a pool, jacuzzi, fitness room. I think that is more of a fancier place, I know of another place that's $900 for a 2 bedroom that is in a more "ghetto" area with no covered or secured parking, and it's not gated, but it will do. It's not THAT bad.
When I first left home and lived on my own for the very first time, this was around 3-4 years ago, I used to pay $675 for a studio. The neighborhood "looked" ghetto, but it wasn't that bad , to me anyways. Some of my friends thought the meighborhood looked "scary" or "dangerous" but I got used to it so it was nothing to me.
But real estate prices for BUYING a home are pretty high, nice normal 2 story houses here are going for almost $500,000 and that's just for a "normal" 3-4 bedroom.
I don't really care about gangbanger's hanging outside the house, I have a roommate that likes to bring them INSIDE my house which is even worse (her bf is one of them), but that's a whole new different topic
Hell, I had a nice place in huntington beach... mile in from the ocean.. lived with someone else and paid 450 for my share... a real dump of a place... I had a place on venice beach... right on the corner of wesminister and speedway... 2 rooms 650 per mo..
I really miss the ocean....
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If not, why would I post here... I still have 9 years of living on you... lived all over the states... been in poverty and been high on the hog...Originally posted by broke
Please.
If you're so interested in my age and 'life experience'...
here you go.
I'm 29 and have LIVED on three continents in the last five years and I'm qualified to speak on the subject....
are you?
Not all of us have to stick our dicks out to prove our worth... keep trying though.
So yes... I think I know what I am talking about.Comment
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And that wasn't directed at you.Originally posted by NBDesign
If not, why would I post here... I still have 9 years of living on you... lived all over the states... been in poverty and been high on the hog...
So yes... I think I know what I am talking about.
Please one dope at a time.
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You don't know the definition of poverty as it pertains to the world.Originally posted by NBDesign
been in poverty and been high on the hog...
Cry me a fucking river... and then count your blessings.Comment
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Ok.. no need for personal insults... I had made a statement like that ... sorry for not reading the name that was quoted....Originally posted by broke
And that wasn't directed at you.
Please one dope at a time.
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Originally posted by NBDesign
Ok.. no need for personal insults... I had made a statement like that ... sorry for not reading the name that was quoted....
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We are not talking abot the world here.. we are talking about how 21k in the states is poverty....Originally posted by broke
You don't know the definition of poverty as it pertains to the world.
Cry me a fucking river... and then count your blessings.
and yes.. I do count my blessings... I have a great home a great woman and 7 great pets... I work for myself (for the time being anyway) and life is good...
You don't know me, you do not know what I have been through in my lifetime so you have no right to make a comment like that to me. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes... don't pretend to know what I am about or what I have been through in my life.Comment
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You guys are mislead by numerous ghetto movies and the news media to believe that most poor live in cities. Actually, I forgot where from and the exact number, but more poor people are actually in rural areas than in metropolitan areas. So "getting out of the city" isn't always a cure.
I don't have a problem with polverty, as long as there are sufficient opportunity structures to not become poor any more. Some people just plain need help, others do not.
However, I don't like it when children have to live, and grow up in polverty though. Some toddler can't go out and start "bling blingin." They have to suffer it out and live through the shitty reality of their parents. Some people in here might brag about making bank in their teens, but I know they weren't doing jack shit when they were three or four.
For me, 21k, even for one person, not this family stuff, is poor. I don't care about some guy in some third world country picking through rivers of shit to find metal trinkets to sell. Anybody who can accept being on the bottom of a human hierarchy and thinks all is well because "at least i'm not those guys..." has no ambition and no drive to improve their lot in life. The "at least i'm not those guys" is a cop out to make people feel better for their current situations. There is always going to be somebody much worse and much better off than anybody at any given time. People should not just accept where they are now just because somebody is below them. If I didn't feel poor at 21k, what would make me want to make more?Comment
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Originally posted by broke
Please.
If you're so interested in my age and 'life experience'...
here you go.
I'm 29 and have LIVED on three continents in the last five years and I'm qualified to speak on the subject....
are you?
I also have 9 years on you, went from times where it was sharing a bag of doritos with my dog for dinner, to hitchhiking from one end of this country to another, to creating a company that does almost a million a year. Lived in Europe for a while and now I raise a 5 year old on my own.
Feel better now?Comment
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Originally posted by NBDesign
We are not talking abot the world here.. we are talking about how 21k in the states is poverty....
and yes.. I do count my blessings... I have a great home a great woman and 7 great pets... I work for myself (for the time being anyway) and life is good...
You don't know me, you do not know what I have been through in my lifetime so you have no right to make a comment like that to me. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes... don't pretend to know what I am about or what I have been through in my life.
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I've felt fine the whole time.Originally posted by ThunderBalls
I also have 9 years on you, went from times where it was sharing a bag of doritos with my dog for dinner, to hitchhiking from one end of this country to another, to creating a company that does almost a million a year. Lived in Europe for a while and now I raise a 5 year old on my own.
Feel better now?
I asked you to qualify your statements. You did.
That's all.Comment
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Another mature comeback.Originally posted by broke
Follow your own advice.
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Excuse me?.. I am not the one name calling and coming back with silly icons... you asked a question, I answered it... if this icon is your only come back... well... don't bother responding to my posts until you have something valid to say.Originally posted by broke
Follow your own advice.Comment
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Maybe if people who are already in poverty didn't keep having kids, the number of people living in poverty wouldn't keep growing.Originally posted by NBDesign
No... sounds about right... our government spends too much on world affairs and not enough on it's own people.
As a single mother who worked her ass off and made decent amounts of money in spite of not having a college degree and not being able to work much more than 9-5 due to taking care of my son, I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who would rather keep pumping out kids so the government will give them larger free housing, a bigger welfare check and more food stamps every month.Comment
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Some of the responses in this thread make me nearly choke on my soda.
$2k/month for RENTING an apartment? That's not just insane, it's fucking stupid. Interest rates are at the lowest they've been in 40 years, you can get a 5 bedroom huge house for about $450 a month.
Two car payments totalling $700/mo? Again, fucking stupid. Do you really think other people give that much of a shit about what you're driving? They don't - they care about what THEY are driving. Buy a damn car outright.
Can't feed 2 people on $400/mo? Evidently you don't know how to cook. I feed 4 people on $400/mo and quite often, less - but then again I don't fill my fridge with frozen pizzas, beer, and $3 chilled coffee drinks and whatever the fashion drink of the day is.
I know a family of 5 that lives *quite* well on $800/mo. They're very happy. They have a big house, lots of land (that they purchased, it wasn't given to them), and anything they want/need.
I have a feeling the people in here saying you are "poor" if you're making less than $50-$60k/yr just to get by are the same idiots who think that wearing a $2k-$25k watch somehow makes you a better person.Comment
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So sensitive.Originally posted by NBDesign
Excuse me?.. I am not the one name calling and coming back with silly icons... you asked a question, I answered it... if this icon is your only come back... well... don't bother responding to my posts until you have something valid to say.
I asked to deal with one dope at a time when two of you were being dopes.
And when you said you didn't read the name on the post quoted I smiled (silly icon) to make peace.Comment
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Originally posted by Carrie
Some of the responses in this thread make me nearly choke on my soda.
$2k/month for RENTING an apartment? That's not just insane, it's fucking stupid. Interest rates are at the lowest they've been in 40 years, you can get a 5 bedroom huge house for about $450 a month.
Two car payments totalling $700/mo? Again, fucking stupid. Do you really think other people give that much of a shit about what you're driving? They don't - they care about what THEY are driving. Buy a damn car outright.
Can't feed 2 people on $400/mo? Evidently you don't know how to cook. I feed 4 people on $400/mo and quite often, less - but then again I don't fill my fridge with frozen pizzas, beer, and $3 chilled coffee drinks and whatever the fashion drink of the day is.
I know a family of 5 that lives *quite* well on $800/mo. They're very happy. They have a big house, lots of land (that they purchased, it wasn't given to them), and anything they want/need.
I have a feeling the people in here saying you are "poor" if you're making less than $50-$60k/yr just to get by are the same idiots who think that wearing a $2k-$25k watch somehow makes you a better person.
I agree with everything Carrie's saying, the part about getting a house for $450 though, it must be somewhere outside of Cali or in the boonies. There's no houses that cheap where I live
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Carrie,Originally posted by Carrie
Some of the responses in this thread make me nearly choke on my soda.
$2k/month for RENTING an apartment? That's not just insane, it's fucking stupid. Interest rates are at the lowest they've been in 40 years, you can get a 5 bedroom huge house for about $450 a month.
Two car payments totalling $700/mo? Again, fucking stupid. Do you really think other people give that much of a shit about what you're driving? They don't - they care about what THEY are driving. Buy a damn car outright.
Can't feed 2 people on $400/mo? Evidently you don't know how to cook. I feed 4 people on $400/mo and quite often, less - but then again I don't fill my fridge with frozen pizzas, beer, and $3 chilled coffee drinks and whatever the fashion drink of the day is.
I know a family of 5 that lives *quite* well on $800/mo. They're very happy. They have a big house, lots of land (that they purchased, it wasn't given to them), and anything they want/need.
I have a feeling the people in here saying you are "poor" if you're making less than $50-$60k/yr just to get by are the same idiots who think that wearing a $2k-$25k watch somehow makes you a better person.
There are some parts of the country that 2k a month for an apt is average... like San Fran, New York and most other large cities...
as for cars.. sure you can get a cheap car but sometimes you pay more in repairs than you do on a payment for something that is in good order...
it is easy to snag bits and pieces from posts to make your point... I never said I was in poverty... I am middle class.. maybe lower middle class... I was just saying that for most people.. the average family... that is not enough to live on comfortably....
When I 1st moved to Phoneix... I had a job paying 24k a year.. my 1 bdrm apt was 650.00 my car was paid for.. and I was still living from paychek to paycheck... nothing fancy... not the best neighborhood but not the worse either... just average... and I was just getting by...
granted.. i still did not concider myself poverty stricken but I was by far a long way off for being comfortable either.... Shit... the small things add up quickly... Like going to costco... get it it's only 5.00.. and that too and that.. next thing you know you are over 200.00...
granted some people are happy living a simple life.. at least on the outside... but when there is a notice on the door that your utilities are going to be shut off for failure to pay.. how happy are they then?Comment
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Please explain why a trailer is not a home?Originally posted by NBDesign
You said you lived in a trailer... nothing wrong with that... but that is not a home.. did you own it?
This seems to me to be the type of thinking that says an Escort is not a car - "real" cars start at $20k or so, but before I assume that please tell me *your* reasoning on it.Comment
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That is not the icon I meant... it was this one....Originally posted by broke
So sensitive.
I asked to deal with one dope at a time when two of you were being dopes.
And when you said you didn't read the name on the post quoted I smiled (silly icon) to make peace.
I mean seriously.. you asked a question and this is what you gave as a response to my response....
Someone really needs to talk to a moderator and get some of these children off this board... Some of the comments I see are the comments of 13 year olds and have no right to be on an "ADULT" board.
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To me a home is a perm. dwelling. A trailer can be a home i guess... if you own it... I do not concider anything rented a home.. at least not my home.. just a place where I pay someone elses mortgage....Originally posted by Carrie
Please explain why a trailer is not a home?
This seems to me to be the type of thinking that says an Escort is not a car - "real" cars start at $20k or so, but before I assume that please tell me *your* reasoning on it.Comment
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NB, the country isn't made up of just California or Pheonix where prices are sky-high.Originally posted by NBDesign
Carrie,
There are some parts of the country that 2k a month for an apt is average... like San Fran, New York and most other large cities...
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Why not move? Jobs are everywhere. Cross the line out of California and the cost of living drops by at least half.
You know how expensive designer clothes are no better than non-designer clothes, you're just paying for the name on the tag? It's the same thing with California. You're paying all of that extra money just for the privilege (??) of living in Cali... and it's just silly. The same amount of money will get you so much more elsewhere.
But trying to set *any* type of bar on a standard of living by basing it on what things cost in places like LA, San Diego, Chicago... you just can't do that and expect to come out of it anywhere near correct.
Places like that are the exception, not the rule. The majority of the country has houses that are much less expensive, food that is much less expensive, etc.Comment
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There's the thing with "out of Cali or in the boonies".Originally posted by phogirl69
I agree with everything Carrie's saying, the part about getting a house for $450 though, it must be somewhere outside of Cali or in the boonies. There's no houses that cheap where I live
It's not in Cali, but it's not the boonies either - come on out to the Hampton Roads, VA area and you can get a house for that. There's lots of places around the country where you can... you just have to think outside of the California state line.
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Agreed.. I am from a small town in western PA... so i know what you mean... however... you have to figure in that the jobs in smaller towns, sities and so on do not pay as well... so where your cost of living is lower so are the salaries.Originally posted by Carrie
NB, the country isn't made up of just California or Pheonix where prices are sky-high.
Why not move? Jobs are everywhere. Cross the line out of California and the cost of living drops by at least half.
You know how expensive designer clothes are no better than non-designer clothes, you're just paying for the name on the tag? It's the same thing with California. You're paying all of that extra money just for the privilege (??) of living in Cali... and it's just silly. The same amount of money will get you so much more elsewhere.
But trying to set *any* type of bar on a standard of living by basing it on what things cost in places like LA, San Diego, Chicago... you just can't do that and expect to come out of it anywhere near correct.
Places like that are the exception, not the rule. The majority of the country has houses that are much less expensive, food that is much less expensive, etc.
21k in a small town like where I am from is not really poverty... bbut it's far from being well off too.Comment
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That figure is for a FAMILY OF FIVE!Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
The poverty line (threshold) in the USA is much, much higher than the rest of the world. In the USA, you are consider poor if you make under $21,667 a year. Growing up in Peru $800 a month was consider a good wage. US government programs only push you back up to the threshold. There are very, very few truly poor people in this country.
Everything has a different perspective. Poor people here would be considered wealthy in other places. Poor people here have TVs, Playstations, cars, etc.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/povdef.html
For ONE person in 2003, you are considered "poor" if your annual earnings are UNDER $8,980 a year.
http://www.aegis.com/factshts/networ...s/poverty.html
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Children and people of color really get hit hard in this country.
The following information is based on 2001 numbers..but I couldn't find the numbers of year 2002. But even so, it's very troublesome:
The official poverty rate rose to 11.7 percent in 2001, the first increase since 1993. One in five black children lived below the official poverty level as did 16 percent of all US children?about 12 million US children.
Even this official poverty level (about $14,000 for a family of three in 2001) is abysmally low and utterly inadequate. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI), a union-backed research group, calculated a more realistic family budget level with income sufficient to avoid serious hardship, such as missing meals, being unable to pay rent or having the phone disconnected. They estimate that two-and-a-half-times as many families fall below this level income as fall below the official poverty line.
Also in 2001, median household income declined for the first time since 1991, falling 2.2 percent to $42,228. The income of the typical black household fell 3.4 percent in 2001, to just $29,000.
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Originally posted by NBDesign
No... sounds about right... our government spends too much on world affairs and not enough on it's own people.
If you look at the % of your budget you spend on world affairs, then thats nothing compare to sweden.http://www.smsvid.comComment
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really? didn't know that... I like Sweden... would like to visit there sometime.Originally posted by smsvid
If you look at the % of your budget you spend on world affairs, then thats nothing compare to sweden.Comment
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Again - the children "of color" are getting "hit hard" because they're being born into households which cannot afford them - most often single mothers. The more kids you have, the more mouths you have to feed and the longer you put off going back to work because you need to stay home with the kid(s).Originally posted by Centurion
Children and people of color really get hit hard in this country.
The following information is based on 2001 numbers..but I couldn't find the numbers of year 2002. But even so, it's very troublesome:
The official poverty rate rose to 11.7 percent in 2001, the first increase since 1993. One in five black children lived below the official poverty level as did 16 percent of all US children?about 12 million US children.
Even this official poverty level (about $14,000 for a family of three in 2001) is abysmally low and utterly inadequate. The Economic Policy Institute (EPI), a union-backed research group, calculated a more realistic family budget level with income sufficient to avoid serious hardship, such as missing meals, being unable to pay rent or having the phone disconnected. They estimate that two-and-a-half-times as many families fall below this level income as fall below the official poverty line.
Also in 2001, median household income declined for the first time since 1991, falling 2.2 percent to $42,228. The income of the typical black household fell 3.4 percent in 2001, to just $29,000.
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I know a couple or knew a couple that would have child after child because they get more welfare money with every child... the child would suffer whlile the moms went out and spent the welfare $$ on crack.Originally posted by Peaches
Again - the children "of color" are getting "hit hard" because they're being born into households which cannot afford them - most often single mothers. The more kids you have, the more mouths you have to feed and the longer you put off going back to work because you need to stay home with the kid(s).
Out of wedlock statistics
I am all for welfare to help people get back on their feet.. but this system abuse has to stop... that is our tax money hard at work for ya...Comment
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Poverty is drying out cigerette butts that were in beer cans.
poverty is picking through the garbage for cigarette butts.
poverty is picking through the ashtray outside the post office for butts.
poverty is smoking 1/4 of a cigarrette,smoking another 4th,put it out,etc.
this my friends is true povertyComment
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sounds like a bad tobacco habbit more than poverty lol...Originally posted by DBW
Poverty is drying out cigerette butts that were in beer cans.
poverty is picking through the garbage for cigarette butts.
poverty is picking through the ashtray outside the post office for butts.
poverty is smoking 1/4 of a cigarrette,smoking another 4th,put it out,etc.
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So..what is your point? These children still exist no matter where they came from.Originally posted by Peaches
Again - the children "of color" are getting "hit hard" because they're being born into households which cannot afford them - most often single mothers. The more kids you have, the more mouths you have to feed and the longer you put off going back to work because you need to stay home with the kid(s).
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