Why AVS, TGP, and CJ and Galleries are dead ideas.

50 dead whores!

51 bottles of beer on the wall?

It's not dead cus people are still buying porn online searching our TGP sites, but look long and ask yourself would you pay 20,30 or 40 bucks a month to look at content when you see what is for free ??

Movie Gallery Post, like vidsvidsvids.com -- he posts here... or Gustav from tinas-movies.com there's a few big ones...

Fly - don't know if anyone has suggested this because I haven't read to the end of the thread yet but TGP has at least two good purposes.

Sales are easy if you have half a clue and a relatively new site and TGP is a quick way to get traffic into a network of sites and fpas and other sales gimmicks - you just have to get the surfer interested in stepping off your gallery.

bump this.. so that i dont have to keep checking the archives

it's not really that much of a time investment if you only accept paid and partner submissions

Couldn't have said it better myself. I make GOOD $$ off premium AVS type sites. No need to overlook this money making venture.

Just my

AVS is fine if you like to be somebody's bitch. If you don't care about the AVS traffic then why not just do it right and get a merchant account... If you're an AVS traffic bitch, they could cut you off whenever they wanted to -- and your entire strategy is worth shit -- besides the AVS's have so many silly rules like "no links to other sites" -- the AVS's really are against innovation -- all they want is for you to add to their content/traffic base so they can basically use you like a stupid bitch, the same way a TGP uses bitch ass gallery posters...

I agree completely with your AVS comments: in fact these days with the majority, unless you are talking only about sites listed as new, chances are you are sending more traffic to the AVS than they are returning to you. Unfortunately, when business got tougher, they all started looking for a bigger piece of the pie, instead of figuring how to make the pie bigger for everyone.

I don't think you can really compare them to TGPs, beyond the fact that both are trying to make some money for themselves. Sure TGPs have a lot of flaws: some more than others. But at least most of them actually do send you traffic.

How many places deliver ANY traffic really?

You will get more quality or heck just traffic period, by being in an avs.. and the rules are not that difficult and the creation of an avs site is very easy.

If you think this biz is dead you are a retard.. I have seen a lot of programs kicking out a lot of webmasters and notice all the lame lower payout programs coming out?

You could apply your comments about being someone's bitch to this entire industry.. we are all VISA'S bitch..

Why do you think conversions are slipping everywhere? Because less transactions are getting thru.. this aint brain surgery.. processors are not gonna take riskier transactions..so less countries are now accepted etc..

You should treat this biz like there may be no tomorrow..because I wouldnt be surprised if there wasnt.. This plug could get pulled at any time..



Chris

too many cheats and too many frontpage users...

I like your ideas, just need to figure out a way to keep it healthy.

Nonanoooonoooooo.

The reason why TGP and CJ don't do well is because the traffic is BOGUS.

BULLSHIT.

A FUCKING LIE.

Get it?

If you go to MPGs and TGPs especially with the 'php' frenzy, NONE of the traffic is REAL anymore. Only a RARE FEW MPGs and TGPs get and send worthy traffic that the rest are sucking off of like biafran care package baby on a sun dried tit.

Put yourself in the surfer's position AND the traffic trading website meister who is expecting you to send them some REAL traffic.

Surfer goes to a site and clicks a link and Jesus H Christ On A Transformer's Crutch he's redirected, umpteen popups, forced dialers, traffic rush windows ( the biggest rip off as it sends a hit to the traffic trader's website but the window disintegrates leaving the surfer to click AGAIN and a real window pops up, destination unknown ).

It's bullshit because it's a rip off.

It's a fucking shame because some sites are generating the bullwork of the traffic with little if any bs hijacking, redirecting etc.

I've a mind to start my own ' safe ' list for surfers so they know where to go without getting bs'd.

So with AVSes it depends on which AVS and whom you work with at that AVS.

If the AVS model has a problem it's usually with some knuckleheaded webmaster or some over committeed bullshit.

Each AVS is different and the BEST indicator depends on how the staff responds to general subjects and problem solving. That's all! That's the best way to know a business you work with is a-okay: THEY NEVER GET ANGRY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIR SHIT.

Paysite? Paysite? We don' need no steenkin' paysite!

A paysite is a good investment and you don't have to kill yourself if you get the right tutiledge. Me, I tried paysite route as an experiment and it ROCKED but VISA fucked things up for my processor ( as with many of you ) and I refuse to tolerate their bs.

Yet, I can still go paysite when I wanna and since I don't have to buy content, ( I make my own ) my overhead is so low that only family and natural disasters have slowed me down ( just getting over these already )

Jeez, there're so many good tips out here and webmaster tutorials you don' t need to bake your brain. Just do a good honest job and you will do a-okay.