You know what Hooper, I tend to agree with you. While I believe these programs will definitely increase volume and transactions, at the same time I tend to believe this program offers better ROI for the sponsor programs because of the exits and cross-sales.
Granted, I'm not a sponsor so I can't really speak from experience, but I'm not convinced that I should take a pay cut of $15 per join for this new model. I have reason to believe that my traffic will actually convert better with the low cost trial versus a $10 monthly (calculating revenue per click). So until I speak to some experienced webmasters who deal with similiar traffic like mine, I'll stick to TCG, Silvercash and Quickbuck.
No offense to the new programs or your models, but I'm not switching just yet.
Whoa whoa whoa. What the fuck? You have a $1 monthly recurring program, paying out $25 a pop... how many cross-sells do you have and how much are they for?
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the $1.00 per month recurring at $1.00 per month program pays $25.00 per signup. flat. no bullshit.. we have a single.. (sometimes it goes to a double) cross sell depending upon what wiseman is doing with his magic... but it's always to a free trial... so trust.. we're not making our money there... trust :D
Originally posted by Hooper i'm not trying to bag on my brothers.. but damn.. i mean.. 10 bucks for a trial??? jeez... thats higher than a hooker at a convention!!!
Originally posted by The Truth Hurts Speaking of ripoffs....
oh nevermind...
most people here don't have memories that go back that far.
dont make things.
make them better :D
if you can rip me off and make a mil.. i'll respect you that much more..
i liked brads post the other night.. innovation is way over rated.
tell RB thanks for http://www.annsxxx.com ... then tell bangbus thanks for http://www.slutbus.com .. then tell nasty dollars thanks for http://www.ryansbeachhouse.com and then when you want to bag on me for being a copycat you can go look at several programs that ripped off my sites.. this is not a game about being first.. it's a game about being BEST!
Well if the user has to put up $10 bucks right off the bat... to the user it is still $10.00!!!
If $10.00 programs were the best way to make $$$ it would have happened long ago!!!!!
Fucking $50 on a 2.99 trial will make he who sends us traffic more $$$$ PERIOD!!!
Again I will offer my cell phone to anyone who hasnt reached us online.... 5096680000 Thats the hotline to $50 trial jones!!!
Hit me online for your join link or call me!!!!
Hooper, you could payout $80 and most WM's would probably be making less than they are now with the same traffic to 10 Dollar Cash. Let me know when your ready to setup an account.
You guys would probably kill it with the $10 stuff in your exits. Then you could use all the extra revenue to help offset how much your gonna have to raise payouts to keep up.
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Well the poisons out and the consumer wants a better deal thats pretty clear these days.
Glad to see some sponsor program's are bold enough to attempt giving the consumer an actual deal for access, and not be driven for higher payouts from the traffic barons and killing the consumer in the process.
Originally posted by Hooper $80 per $2.99 trial will end up paying less than $25 per $10 trial...
where was my head?
thx
For one, I think you might be misunderstanding the $10 program. It IS NOT a $10 trial. It is $10 a month straight up, for a full on paysite membership with exclusive content and no upsells. This shit sells... Don't take my word for it. Go ahead and put us up for a couple day's and see the conversions for yourself.
Adult Web Marketing Specialist with 10 years of Industry Experience - CONTACT ME
For one, I think you might be misunderstanding the $10 program. It IS NOT a $10 trial. It is $10 a month straight up, for a full on paysite membership with exclusive content and no upsells. This shit sells... Don't take my word for it. Go ahead and put us up for a couple day's and see the conversions for yourself.
The point is Rich you are still asking the little broke pervert to whip out $10 RIGHT NOW!!
We are only asking em to pull out $2.99
So now everyone sending traffic has to hope that the traffic they are sending is NOW willing to Spend $10 UPFRONT!!
It's not that I dont think you guys run a top notch program because you do, but times are changing and the old model is just not cutting it anymore. There has to be a breaking point. I have been marketing trial programs for years and after seeing the stats on $10, I am convinced that point is now. These guy's are sick of getting hit for so much $ just so the site operator can pay their bills. However they don't seem to mind paying a fair price for a good product and that is being proven over and over again in our webmasters stats. If you guys can continue to kick ass on the per trial stuff, more power to you but I assure there is no "scam" invovled with the path adult.com and other successful programs have decided to take.
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Lets revisit the $10 programs in 6 months, think they will be small potatoes, maybe make up 5% of the game at the most. Bottom line is they are more of a solution for programs with CB issues, they are a solution for a webmaster looking to maximize income. Of course Lens and Dave, and many others wish everyone would move to such a model, but this is a free economic system... Sometimes too free.
just my two pennies but i think hooper is right TODAY.
Tomorrow is another story
in a couple of months when the new chargeback ratio hammer falls I think lens and the others with $10 programs will be on top and laughing as it's a more sound business model that doesn't TRICK people into paying something they never really thought they'd have to pay more for.
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Originally posted by SleazyDream just my two pennies but i think hooper is right TODAY.
Tomorrow is another story
in a couple of months when the new chargeback ratio hammer falls I think lens and the others with $10 programs will be on top and laughing as it's a more sound business model that doesn't TRICK people into paying something they never really thought they'd have to pay more for.
GOD!!! NOW SEND US SOME DAMN TRAFFIC SLEAZY!!!!!!!
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