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traffic trade issue: quality vs. cj

09-24-2003, 06:57 PM

i'm running a quality free site and now i'm having a doubt whether it's good for me to trade traffic with non quality (cj) sites or not good when it comes to bookmarkers.

first thought would be good; my site's content is far better than my trade partners' so i will keep the bookmarker.
second thought would be hmm maybe not good after all; my site may be better but if all links are leading towards crappy sites my bookmarkers won't click them anymore (and eventually won't even visit anymore)...

what do you think or are your experiences?

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09-24-2003, 06:59 PM

Shit in Shit out its really that simple

only trade with people that have similar types of sites
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09-24-2003, 07:11 PM

CJ is the worst quality of traffic. Thats why you see CJ's mainly trading with CJ's. Most other types of sites will not lower their quality of traffic by trading with them.

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09-24-2003, 07:20 PM

yeah i know it's the worst kind of traffic -- when it comes to sponsor conversions.

but my question was purely about what it'll do to my bookmarkers.

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09-24-2003, 09:37 PM

cj taffic is crap

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09-24-2003, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
yeah i know it's the worst kind of traffic -- when it comes to sponsor conversions.

but my question was purely about what it'll do to my bookmarkers.

Why would they bookmark a site that has links to consoles and all that other crap CJ traffic comes with
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09-25-2003, 03:10 PM

perhaps because they're looking for content and when they finally find it at my site they'll bookmark it immediately?
while people coming from other quality sites know that there's content all over the net and won't bother bookmarking?

just a thought, but don't know whether it makes sense... that's why i ask you guys -- somebody experience with it?

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09-25-2003, 03:12 PM

It works for Sleazy.

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09-25-2003, 03:15 PM

Are you talking about pure cj with no content or cj2 with content, but skimming at 50%-60%?
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09-25-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Houdini
Are you talking about pure cj with no content or cj2 with content, but skimming at 50%-60%?

Both; I'm talking about all traffic coming from websites that are less clean than mine. CJ is the extreme example, that's why i took that in my question.
But the same for CJ2 ofcourse, only this traffic is probably more similar to mine than CJ traffic

the issue is; is it negative or positive for the number of bookmarkers when you start trading with sites that mislead surfers or at least try to keep them away from content.

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09-25-2003, 04:50 PM

I say trade with similar sites. I don't trade with sites that have consoles or dialers, or clean sites that have a bunch of CJ trades (CJ feeders).

One issue with sending surfers to a popup hell (either directly or indirectly) is that your site is probably still open when they get hit. Normally, the surfer could return and click a couple more times on your site, but if they get caught by a dialer or their comp crashes because of the popups it will actually reduce the productivity of the trade that sent the surfer to you.

It's a bit hard to explain, so here's an example...

- great_trade_a sends you a surfer
- your script sends them to not_so_clean_trade_b
- the surfer gets an exit console hell when they close that site
- their computer crashes
- since your site is gone, the great_trade_a surfer will no longer click on your site, which reduces the potential productivity for that trade

I've actually had this happen with a trade that had a hidden dialer. It caused my overall prod to dive significantly even though the traffic he sent back was productive itself.
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09-25-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by rowan
I say trade with similar sites. I don't trade with sites that have consoles or dialers, or clean sites that have a bunch of CJ trades (CJ feeders).

One issue with sending surfers to a popup hell (either directly or indirectly) is that your site is probably still open when they get hit. Normally, the surfer could return and click a couple more times on your site, but if they get caught by a dialer or their comp crashes because of the popups it will actually reduce the productivity of the trade that sent the surfer to you.

It's a bit hard to explain, so here's an example...

- great_trade_a sends you a surfer
- your script sends them to not_so_clean_trade_b
- the surfer gets an exit console hell when they close that site
- their computer crashes
- since your site is gone, the great_trade_a surfer will no longer click on your site, which reduces the potential productivity for that trade

I've actually had this happen with a trade that had a hidden dialer. It caused my overall prod to dive significantly even though the traffic he sent back was productive itself.

good contribution, but what will it do to my bookmarkers? isn't the chance that a surfer bookmarks my site bigger when they're coming from crappy sites without content?

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09-25-2003, 06:40 PM

You know I have thought about this more then a few times..

It really all depends on what you are going after.. Quality or Quantity

Lets say you have

A. A glamour site, all nice and pretty with decent content. (You)

The you have site

B. Ratty looking, totally unprofessional looking, little content. (your trade)

A surfer comes in to your site from site B and sees how pretty it is and starts clicking like a mofo.

You got your trade script set at 120-130%

You tell me what site is going to grow faster?

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09-25-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by tha_timinator

good contribution, but what will it do to my bookmarkers? isn't the chance that a surfer bookmarks my site bigger when they're coming from crappy sites without content?

Don't forget you're trading BOTH ways. I would be more concerned about sending back my bookmarkers to the crappy CJ.
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09-25-2003, 06:51 PM

thanks mojo, it's another subject but very interesting indeed... you theory sounds logically... 99% of the webmasters think in terms of trades with similar sites i think though...
i'm curious whether there a folks who can explain why mojo's theory doesn't work...

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09-25-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
thanks mojo, it's another subject but very interesting indeed... you theory sounds logically... 99% of the webmasters think in terms of trades with similar sites i think though...
i'm curious whether there a folks who can explain why mojo's theory doesn't work...

You're unlikely to get many bookmarkers if you send them to CJs and most TGP webmasters seem to agree that bookmarkers are where the money is at.
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09-25-2003, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by tha_timinator
thanks mojo, it's another subject but very interesting indeed... you theory sounds logically... 99% of the webmasters think in terms of trades with similar sites i think though...
i'm curious whether there a folks who can explain why mojo's theory doesn't work...

Because remember in that theory Site B is based purely on numbers only... Doesnt mean anyone is going to click anything, it just makes your counter look nice which to some is what its all about

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09-25-2003, 09:34 PM

You are maybe overlooking that in order to get bookmarkers from the inbound crap traffic (which I am sure you would), you have to get the inbound crap traffic.

So first you have to send your traffic to the other site and it isn't going to thank you for sending it there. The productivity of your traffic is going to be horrible on that other site, so if you want to keep the trade alive, you will need to over-send.

Which at least presents the possibility that you will lose more bookmarkers from your own traffic than you will gain from the incoming.
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09-25-2003, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by Mojo Rizin

Because remember in that theory Site B is based purely on numbers only... Doesnt mean anyone is going to click anything, it just makes your counter look nice which to some is what its all about

Quantity rules, cause eventually something will come up that will make you money even with your shit traffic.
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09-25-2003, 10:12 PM

i have found when dealing with anything ALWAYS take quality over quantity. no matter what.

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