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We at http://www.sex.com have worked with http://www.python.com since I got the domain back. They pay always on time if not prepay.
Gary Kremen
P.S. Leave KB alone, this is like torturing a cat. It is very, very sick and wrong.ICQ 153288107
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...Congratulations on your 100th post, Gary!
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Hi Gary!!!
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Ok could not stay away from this one!Originally posted by gkremen
We at http://www.sex.com have worked with http://www.python.com since I got the domain back. They pay always on time if not prepay.
Gary Kremen
P.S. Leave KB alone, this is like torturing a cat. It is very, very sick and wrong.
Gary don't you have some meth to do?
If you would have read my post, it was directed to what Python did to SURFERS not to webmasters. Obviously they pay their webmasters on time, hence why they get some pandering and kissing ass on the boards!
Webmasters who see the big picture understand what is really going on.... But most keep their mouth's shut and do not rock the boat. Something I never was to good at doing.
Python is doing crummy things that reflect back on the whole indsutry. They are part of the Cockholster Cabal that is killing the golden goose.
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Originally posted by Mike AI
Ok could not stay away from this one!
Gary don't you have some meth to do?
If you would have read my post, it was directed to what Python did to SURFERS not to webmasters. Obviously they pay their webmasters on time, hence why they get some pandering and kissing ass on the boards!
Webmasters who see the big picture understand what is really going on.... But most keep their mouth's shut and do not rock the boat. Something I never was to good at doing.
Python is doing crummy things that reflect back on the whole indsutry. They are part of the Cockholster Cabal that is killing the golden goose.
Mike, your bullshit is irrelevant. Infact, with that pathetic jab at Gary you prove my point even further.
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It's a Double-Bill!Originally posted by Sly_RJ
This thread should be broken up into two. I can't tell whether KB or Python is being bashed!
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I hear the sound of bridges burning.Originally posted by Mike AI
Ok could not stay away from this one!
Gary don't you have some meth to do?
If you would have read my post, it was directed to what Python did to SURFERS not to webmasters. Obviously they pay their webmasters on time, hence why they get some pandering and kissing ass on the boards!
Webmasters who see the big picture understand what is really going on.... But most keep their mouth's shut and do not rock the boat. Something I never was to good at doing.
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Aly, you are a mere mouthpeice...
I know you have a job to do, and you do a very good job of it.
My problem is with your bosses... No need to debate employees.
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There's nothing like a good old fashioned piss up...Yeehaw!I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
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Thank you for your thinly cloaked condescension.Originally posted by Mike AI
Aly, you are a mere mouthpeice...
I know you have a job to do, and you do a very good job of it.
My problem is with your bosses... No need to debate employees.
I'm more than happy to end this. There is no debate.
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Aly, your response is weak and comes across as very uneducated and left out of the loop. I highly doubt you have any idea what goes on behind the scenes. I know many of my employees have no idea of the actual inner workings of the company and our billing models.
Python also has a stake in another avs, xpass.com which was "bought" from me. I am still eagerly awaiting my $100,000 check.Sig too big
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Use the porno phone tree.Originally posted by Excellence
Newb question: How can I get a hold of Jimmy3way if I can't:
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2. Email him ("Sorry! That user has specified that they do not wish to receive emails through this board. "
3. ICQ him (no ICQ listed)
Do I really have to make a new post and hope he sees it?
Everybody in porn is separated by 5 ICQ contacts. Just ICQ someone at random, ask them if they know me, and pass it on. Eventually you will get to me.
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Originally posted by D-Money
OK, here's my
Some people start their own businesses, some work for others. KB has the best people skills in this industry, hands down. Including everyone I know, including myself. And I got skills. Had to add that in there.
Anyway, starting your own business isn't always the best way to go, you can lose money and lot's of time in the process. So doing subcontracted sales and marketing jobs works out well for people like KB and his clients. They get his insight, contacts, publicity and meetings set up to do bigger business. Most companies can't afford guys like KB as an employee full time, so using him month to month as a subcontracted marketing/sales and PR guy is a sweet deal.
So what's the life expectancy of a sales person? Or a subbed out sales/marketing guy? I can tell you it's not very long even for employed help. Turn and burn.
So to discredit KB for turning and burning isn't a fair argument, it's the nature of the beast.
I know some companies reading this might have employees in sales and marketing for over 6 months or so, it does happen here and there. But it's trial and error. Finding a guy who is hip to this industry, has channels in place to get your service seen and used is valuable. Even if a KB only does it for 6 months or so, it's still valuable to his clients.
I'm sure if you were to ask most of his former employers if he helped put them on the map, they'd say yes. What's that worth? How much do you spend on trade shows and advertising? KB gets exposure by creating it out of no where. That's talent. And mix that in with the people skills, that's very useful at trade shows. He can introduce you and your service to the right people, give you an opportunity explain how you can do business with his prospects. An opportunity that happens only because it came through KB, he does have that ability.
Most companies use this type of marketer until the well runs dry, they've hit up all of his resources and ideas, now they can save his fee per month and part ways with no hard feeling (in most cases). Some situations people leave on bad notes, but you'll never know who was right and who was wrong for sure. Again, that's another part of the beast.
So in a nutshell. KB will pursue his own business models as situations come up, like Pimpandho. Some will work, some won't, so take a few clients on your path and make money.
If utilized to his fullest, KB can take an online franchise and carry it on his back, with the help of a team around him. He's good, but he can't do everything, that's why he handles the areas he handles.
So KB, if you get clients from this thread, you need to pay me and Brad a commission. I can say I know KB better then he knows himself. He has confidence in his game, but still doesn't realize how good he can be, and how good he is. Most successful people on the Internet don't have a fraction of KB's people skills.
Put KB in a room with 10 different types of people, as a test. See how he gets them to like him and buddy up with him. Then take your average or above average webmaster, put them in the same room. KB will win 9 out of 10 votes every time. And the one who didn't vote is player hater. Being a Player means you have game and can handle yourself well with people. It's not about money, it's about game.
OK, I'm done.
And Brad, I like you, you like me, but honestly, if KB and you were in a room filled with webmasters, he'd win the audience over hands down. You'd do better on a chat board, but he'd eat you up in person. He's funnier and quicker on his feet. That's skill, just like how you make money is also a skill.
KB will make money, it's something you can always make. But having game isn't something you can buy, it's something you have.
D$, you have never heard me claim I am any good at marketing. I am a businessman. Greg does the marketing, not me. In fact, I am shitty at marketing, and not much of a people person. Your brother owes you dinner after that post! No doubt, he COULD be good at what he does, but his potential is unfulfilled for some reason.Sig too big
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I have an idea Brad- why don't you post "Python fucked me for $100,000 be careful you may be next"Originally posted by BradShaw
Aly, your response is weak and comes across as very uneducated and left out of the loop. I highly doubt you have any idea what goes on behind the scenes. I know many of my employees have no idea of the actual inner workings of the company and our billing models.
Python also has a stake in another avs, xpass.com which was "bought" from me. I am still eagerly awaiting my $100,000 check.
It worked so well with me didn't it?
Also Mike- Now I am a SIDESHOW?
Funny I am considered a sideshow but when you and Bradley both were looking for email lists I was one of the first people you both solicited.
It's funny because I remember the days when both you and Brad were saying how this person or that company was ruining the industry by spamming- then you two became the "poster children" for spam somehow?
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Whatever happened with that list?
Brad get paid back? I remember there was a bunch of names and Vivid was in the theft or something??
Honestly I wouldnt send traffic to college fuck fest cause that whole screwover didnt set well with me. I like KB, met him a few times, but shady biz is shady biz.. and brad is a friend of mine..
Now I can try collegefuckfest..haha
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Also if i had a product to promote..
Id hire slavik<br>
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Python pays their debts, I have no doubt I will get my $100k. The xpass deal was a mess, but Dave gave me his word I would get my $100k back out. His word is worth alot more than KB's!Sig too big
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Brad, I'm sure you understand why your opinion of my post ranks rather low on the scale of relevancy. You have absolutely no idea what I know and, frankly, that's up there with your opinion of my post!Originally posted by BradShaw
Aly, your response is weak and comes across as very uneducated and left out of the loop. I highly doubt you have any idea what goes on behind the scenes. I know many of my employees have no idea of the actual inner workings of the company and our billing models.
Python also has a stake in another avs, xpass.com which was "bought" from me. I am still eagerly awaiting my $100,000 check.
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What is shady about a person coming out of nowhere asking for lists and me telling him I have people selling and I brokered lists?Originally posted by sexyavs
Whatever happened with that list?
Brad get paid back? I remember there was a bunch of names and Vivid was in the theft or something??
Honestly I wouldnt send traffic to college fuck fest cause that whole screwover didnt set well with me. I like KB, met him a few times, but shady biz is shady biz.. and brad is a friend of mine..
Now I can try collegefuckfest..haha
Chris
I told Brad caviat empteur I don't mail and I don't collect the emails I just sold them for other people- The list was misrepresented to me and obviously to Bradley but I have the emails and ICQ's of Brad talking about how well he mails and how he can clean lists better than anyone.
It was much better for Brad to tell everyone he got fucked when in essence if the list had been good- NO ONE would have ever heard about it.
And he'd still be buying emails.
That is if I were still brokering them which I am NOT.
So Brad how is Canada this time of the year?Comment
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If you would have read my post, it was directed to what Python did to SURFERS not to webmasters. Obviously they pay their webmasters on time, hence why they get some pandering and kissing ass on the boards!
Webmasters who see the big picture understand what is really going on.... But most keep their mouth's shut and do not rock the boat. Something I never was to good at doing.
Python is doing crummy things that reflect back on the whole indsutry. They are part of the Cockholster Cabal that is killing the golden goose.
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I did read your original post. Read mine. I was giving http://www.sex.com 's very positive multi-year experience with Python and also indicating there is no need to torture KB - what did he ever do to you? They do not pay me to say good things about them. Python is a customer, one of 2,800 and not even a large one at this point in time. But they 1) pay on time; 2) do not rip people off and 3) likely do not spend their time on Oprano.
With respect to the theft of names - was this not extensively discussed at http://www.setgo.com/article.html?id...80e3dbe31bbd8c
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Originally posted by jimmy3way
Use the porno phone tree.
Everybody in porn is separated by 5 ICQ contacts. Just ICQ someone at random, ask them if they know me, and pass it on. Eventually you will get to me.
Or you can hit me up directly: 121058710
Everybody he asked so far said they didn't know you.
Heh j/k bro
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If Slavik hires KB, he would never see any of my traffic. Or anyone that hires KB......Originally posted by sexyavs
Also if i had a product to promote..
Id hire slavik
I am also signing up for Triple X Cash tonight now that KB is gone.Sig too big
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Glad you see the point I was getting at, we all have things we are good at.Originally posted by BradShaw
D$, you have never heard me claim I am any good at marketing. I am a businessman. Greg does the marketing, not me. In fact, I am shitty at marketing, and not much of a people person. Your brother owes you dinner after that post! No doubt, he COULD be good at what he does, but his potential is unfulfilled for some reason.
And KB better send me a few clients too after the e-mails he got from my post.
See Brad, you might be a better marketing person then you think. I think KB just picked up a few paying clients because of your thread.
And KB, I didn't think Mike's side show comment was really that offensive. Side shows are always interesting, GFY in itself is a sideshow, so is Oprano. But I can see it was a borderline comment, can be taken either way. Mike likes you, cool the jets.Still Ballin'Comment
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KB, I have not been to Canada in 10 months. But, I imagine it is very cold, like your wallet.Sig too big
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KB,
My point is shady biz is shady biz, if your gonna broker it, then your responsible for it. So you get the heat, and I hope you made enough off the deal cause it will tarnish your name for a mere 17k.
Doesnt matter about people in dark alleys etc.. Deflecting to someone else doesnt matter..it was your deal you brokered. Id find some way to settle it, thats all im saying..
Thats the way I think though..im sure others are different...
Like I said, I think your a good dude, just your in a biz where your rep is everything..being a marketing person, you only have your rep..and while being in the Anti-Brad business may be good at times, you are also cutting yourself out of plenty of jobs..
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When most people try to burn somebody, they focus on that person, not a third party.Originally posted by kBizzle
Is it true Brad that the first ten SIC Cash affiliates that do over $200 in sales can bang Shaw Cutie?
I heard that was your new promotion- oh wait, I know some other people who banged her already without sending traffic.....
You wanna talk about COLD-
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I appreciate your concern pal-Originally posted by sexyavs
KB,
My point is shady biz is shady biz, if your gonna broker it, then your responsible for it. So you get the heat, and I hope you made enough off the deal cause it will tarnish your name for a mere 17k.
Doesnt matter about people in dark alleys etc.. Deflecting to someone else doesnt matter..it was your deal you brokered. Id find some way to settle it, thats all im saying..
Thats the way I think though..im sure others are different...
Like I said, I think your a good dude, just your in a biz where your rep is everything..being a marketing person, you only have your rep..and while being in the Anti-Brad business may be good at times, you are also cutting yourself out of plenty of jobs..
Chris
But Like I said- Caviat empteur means LET THE BUYER BEWARE
If i sold you a car on a car lot with no warranty
The car is defective but you bought it "as is" do you have any way of seeing where a dealer would wanna help you out?
I tried to help Brad and my guy said FUCK HIM- that was after he started to wage a war against me
So I could really care less- I made $6000 today off this thread-
How much have you guys made today bickering about me?
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Originally posted by Aly-Python
Brad, I'm sure you understand why your opinion of my post ranks rather low on the scale of relevancy. You have absolutely no idea what I know and, frankly, that's up there with your opinion of my post!
Well since you are unaware that Python purchased an AVS from me, you seem out of the loop saying Python only has 2 AVS's..... I could go on, but no sense arguing with someone who is not clued in, or an exec. Many marketing people are good at marketing, yet have no idea what goes on inside a company.Sig too big
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Originally posted by kBizzle
Is it true Brad that the first ten SIC Cash affiliates that do over $200 in sales can bang Shaw Cutie?
I heard that was your new promotion- oh wait, I know some other people who banged her already without sending traffic.....
You wanna talk about COLD-
That was COLD my man.
You lost my respect.Comment
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Originally posted by kBizzle
Is it true Brad that the first ten SIC Cash affiliates that do over $200 in sales can bang Shaw Cutie?
I heard that was your new promotion- oh wait, I know some other people who banged her already without sending traffic.....
You wanna talk about COLD-
That was COLD my man.
KB, run your mouth and you only harm yourself. What little left there is to harm. Remember karma that you always talk about?Sig too big
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Heh. Nice.Originally posted by kBizzle
You are right Sly that was very low- I think it was more like 300 signups!
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KB your mind must be going boy.Originally posted by kBizzle
It worked so well with me didn't it?
Also Mike- Now I am a SIDESHOW?
Funny I am considered a sideshow but when you and Bradley both were looking for email lists I was one of the first people you both solicited.
It's funny because I remember the days when both you and Brad were saying how this person or that company was ruining the industry by spamming- then you two became the "poster children" for spam somehow?
What's the next thing both of you will be hypocritical about????
I did not want to get involved with your games. YOU came to me with your crappy lists. But I know you, I would not buy a glass of water from you if I was on fire. Of course I was going to keep this opinion to myself - but you had to call me out.
I have it all documented in my ICQ logs.
You are a side show, especially compaired to Python..... I thought it was a generous portrayal.... Trust me I could dig in my bag, and give you the full monty. But out of respect for you and your brother, I was staying out of it.
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Brad-
I am available for $17,000 when you want people to know who you are call me-
I can blow up your company too!Comment
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uh oh.Originally posted by Mike AI
KB your mind must be going boy.
I did not want to get involved with your games. YOU came to me with your crappy lists. But I know you, I would not buy a glass of water from you if I was on fire. Of course I was going to keep this opinion to myself - but you had to call me out.
I have it all documented in my ICQ logs.
You are a side show, especially compaired to Python..... I thought it was a generous portrayal.... Trust me I could dig in my bag, and give you the full monty. But out of respect for you and your brother, I was staying out of it.
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Gary if you are truly interested, drop me an e-mail[i
What exactly is Python doing that is so Crummy? [/B]
michael at hirise dot come
I will go over it with you on the phone tommorow if you have time.
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KB bringing in Brad's fiance, who is an innocent by-stander is a new low for you. No need to go there.
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Alright, time for a popcorn break and a sig sale.
KB and Brad. No one wins in a war.
Innocent people get hurt along the way.
Walk away and sing sticks and stones.Still Ballin'Comment
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KB, use that delete post button? Why you going back deleting your posts? Ashamed of your words?
Originally posted by kBizzle
Is it true Brad that the first ten SIC Cash affiliates that do over $200 in sales can bang Shaw Cutie?
I heard that was your new promotion- oh wait, I know some other people who banged her already without sending traffic.....
You wanna talk about COLD-
That was COLD my man.Sig too big
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Mine too.Originally posted by SureFire
You lost my respect.
That just came off as desperate and pathetic.
Did he delete the post too?Comment
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That's some cold shit JFP, lol.Originally posted by JFPdude
Everybody he asked so far said they didn't know you.
Heh j/k bro
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D$ slaps KB's wrist.Originally posted by Mike AI
KB bringing in Brad's fiance, who is an innocent by-stander is a new low for you. No need to go there.
Now apologize to Shawcutie, bad example of being cold, point taken.
Love you, bye.Still Ballin'Comment
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I'll defer to my previous post and agree that there's no sense in arguing with you either. Have a nice evening.Originally posted by BradShaw
Well since you are unaware that Python purchased an AVS from me, you seem out of the loop saying Python only has 2 AVS's..... I could go on, but no sense arguing with someone who is not clued in, or an exec. Many marketing people are good at marketing, yet have no idea what goes on inside a company.
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yeah maybe I was bit too harsh on Shaw Cutie she has her own problems obviously she sleeps with Brad-
I apologize to Shaw Cutie-
I actually have a conscience that's why i deleted it- of course Brad you don't have a conscience you have an Id.Comment
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Wow, this thread sure was a fun read. j/k Good luck on your new ventures KB. 17k seems like a bargain for your skills and connections.
Just remember guys, in a piss fight, everybody gets wet.
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