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TODAY'S ASSHOLE: COLIN POWELL...' U.S. Is A Judeo-Christian Country'...WRONG

09-23-2003, 11:08 AM

Powell Calls U.S. 'Judeo-Christian,' Then Amends

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Tuesday, September 23, 2003; 2:14 AM

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Secretary of State Colin Powell called the United States a Judeo-Christian country on Monday but quickly amended that to "a country of many faiths."

The first amendment to the U.S. constitution prohibits the establishment of any state religion -- a provision usually interpreted as requiring strict separation of church and state, though Christian activists dispute that.

Powell made the remark in an interview with the Charlie Rose Show on public television while talking about Washington's vision of what kind of government Iraq should have.

He said he expected it to be "an Islamic country by faith, just as we are a Judeo-Christian..."

"Well, it's hard to tell any more, but we are a country of many faiths now," he added quickly.

The remark was likely to antagonize millions of American Muslims, most of whom want to be included in the mainstream.

Some American Muslims have coined the term Judeo-Christian-Islamic to reflect their ideal of what the United States should be.
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09-23-2003, 11:12 AM

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for having zero knowledge of history.

The US is a judeo christian society. period.
sorry muslim scum, sorry athiests, sorry budda.
Facts are facts.
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09-23-2003, 11:12 AM

Personally, I just can't wait for the ACLU to get in there and tear out all of those crosses and star's of David all OVER the Arlington National Cemetery. How dare people have CROSSES in a national cemetery. That's goverment owned land! What about seperation of Church and state? There is no room for GOD on national land! We need to stop these Bible pushing bastards in their tracks!

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09-23-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks
Today's asshole: Greg B
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The US is a judeo christian society. period.
sorry muslim scum, sorry athiests, sorry budda.
Facts are facts.
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Sorry you ol' chewer of dingleberries, but a sitting SECRETARY of the executive branch is NOT supposed to do that wheter we agree, sympathize with him or not.
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09-23-2003, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by sperbonzo
Personally, I just can't wait for the ACLU to get in there and tear out all of those crosses and star's of David all OVER the Arlington National Cemetery. How dare people have CROSSES in a national cemetery. That's goverment owned land! What about seperation of Church and state? There is no room for GOD on national land! We need to stop these Bible pushing bastards in their tracks!

Separation of 'Church' and State. NOT separation of 'GOD' and State.

There's a difference
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09-23-2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Greg B

Sorry you ol' chewer of dingleberries, but a sitting SECRETARY of the executive branch is NOT supposed to do that wheter we agree, sympathize with him or not.

A sitting Secretary of State can do that...just as a President or Congressman can do that...because the nation is an overwhemlingly "proclaimed" Judeo-Christian nation.

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09-23-2003, 11:54 AM

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09-23-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Greg B

but a sitting SECRETARY of the executive branch is NOT supposed to do that

Tell the truth?
well of course you wouldn't want the truth liberal. You're too busy sympathizing with America's enemies.
perhaps you'll grow out of it. most likely not though.

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09-23-2003, 11:55 AM

Greg whats up with the Political correctness?

the US is majority a Judeo-Christian country

last time i checked the pledge says

"One nation under god"

the money says "In God we Trust"

and president Bush said numerously "God Bless America"

i see numerous Christian churches and only 1 or 2 Islamic mosques
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09-23-2003, 12:15 PM

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Tell the truth?
well of course you wouldn't want the truth liberal. You're too busy sympathizing with America's enemies.
perhaps you'll grow out of it. most likely not though.

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09-23-2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by playa
Greg whats up with the Political correctness?

the US is majority a Judeo-Christian country

last time i checked the pledge says

"One nation under god"

the money says "In God we Trust"

and president Bush said numerously "God Bless America"

i see numerous Christian churches and only 1 or 2 Islamic mosques

The Pledge AIN'T the 'Constitution'.

Money AIN'T the 'Constitution'.

Sure the U.S. is by majority 'Judeo-Christian' but the issue at hand is the slip of the lip of a sitting Secretary out of touch with the overall population.

The fact he backtracked and corrected himself shows he KNEW he should have put brain first and mouth second.
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09-23-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by Greg B

Separation of 'Church' and State. NOT separation of 'GOD' and State.

There's a difference

Aren't crosses a symbol that promotes a "church". Why don't they just tear down all the crosses and put up a symbol that doesn' reflect only christian views......it's exactly the same as putting a cross on a public building, or putting the ten commandments in front of a courthouse,,,,isn't it?

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09-23-2003, 12:22 PM

WHY ARE THERE CROSSES ON GOVERMENT LAND AT THE NATIONAL CEMETERY?

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09-23-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Aren't crosses a symbol that promotes a "church". Why don't they just tear down all the crosses and put up a symbol that doesn' reflect only christian views......it's exactly the same as putting a cross on a public building, or putting the ten commandments in front of a courthouse,,,,isn't it?

We're talking about a cemetary, peoples personal graves. It's like whether you want a cross or a star of david or a swasticka on your front lawn, not the government's business.

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09-23-2003, 12:26 PM

The US is a Judeo-Christian Nation.... hence we accept all other religions, beleifs and creeds - no matter how wacky.

Any countries in the Middle East like this?

Colin Powell was initially right, but changed because he wants to be politically correct....

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09-23-2003, 12:32 PM

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We're talking about a cemetary, peoples personal graves. It's like whether you want a cross or a star of david or a swasticka on your front lawn, not the government's business.

Actually, I'm talking about the Arlington National cemetery....it's completely the goverments business. I'm just making the point that from the point of view of liberals in this country (ACLU, etc....), they should be filing suit to have those crosses taken down.

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09-23-2003, 12:32 PM

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The US is a Judeo-Christian Nation.... hence we accept all other religions, beleifs and creeds - no matter how wacky.

Any countries in the Middle East like this?

Colin Powell was initially right, but changed because he wants to be politically correct....

And diplomatic...which is part of his job description.

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09-23-2003, 12:54 PM

This country needs another civil war.

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09-23-2003, 12:58 PM

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This country needs another civil war.

A few more years of Bush and anything is possible.

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09-23-2003, 01:12 PM

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Who you callin' a liberal??? Call me a liberal you better bring your mom to the playground next time.

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09-23-2003, 01:18 PM

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A few more years of Bush and anything is possible.

Yeah, Bush caused the nauseating amount of politically correct, secular, minority rule direction this country is headed.

Guess you were asleep the 20 years prior.

It's getting worse and worse every day.

Thought police is the norm, and if you think Bush or the republicans are driving it, it's already too late for you.
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09-23-2003, 01:21 PM

Why do so many people seem to side with Saddam, bin Laden etc? I mean, that is the message you are sending when you are saying what a fuck up Bush is for going to war with Iraq.

Fuck political correctness, not everyone has time to acknowledge every nook and cranny, it's not practical. Next some people will be arguing the US isn't an English-Spanish speaking nation... Sure there's other languages spoken, but those are the majorities.

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09-23-2003, 01:25 PM

I like a politically correct, secular, minority rule society.

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09-23-2003, 01:35 PM

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Why do so many people seem to side with Saddam, bin Laden etc? I mean, that is the message you are sending when you are saying what a fuck up Bush is for going to war with Iraq.

Page 23 from the Nazi/right wing handbook:

"When someone defends the constitution (other than the 2nd Amendment) accuse them of siding with the enemy."
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09-23-2003, 01:40 PM

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Page 23 from the Nazi/right wing handbook:

"When someone defends the constitution (other than the 2nd Amendment) accuse them of siding with the enemy."

Actually I am still waiting to hear better solutions than just ignoring the problems.

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09-23-2003, 01:42 PM

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Yeah, Bush caused the nauseating amount of politically correct, secular, minority rule direction this country is headed.

Guess you were asleep the 20 years prior.

It's getting worse and worse every day.

Thought police is the norm, and if you think Bush or the republicans are driving it, it's already too late for you.

Jeez, it IS getting like Orwell's " 1984 " isn't it?
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09-23-2003, 01:46 PM

OK - here is what the constitution has to say about religion

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Seperation of church and state is a myth, it does not exist.

It simply says that there can not be LAWS respecting it or prohibiting it.

In fact most of the things that are enforced under the guise of Seperation of church and state actually violate the provision of free speech.

School Prayer - should be legal - by making it illegal you are not only violating free speech, but you have made a law prohibiting free exercise thereof

Ten Commandments in a courthouse - completely legal, as are religious symbols of all types in national cemetarys

For the record I am NOT Christian or Jew, in fact I am strongly anti organized religion, but I am also a very staunch supporter of absolute literal translation of the constitution

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09-23-2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
This country needs another civil war.

I agree. Atheists versus those with an imaginary friend. Let's just fucking get it over with. God versus Common Sense - winner takes all.
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09-23-2003, 01:54 PM

But I guess that wouldn't work, God wouldn't show up for the fight. Where is this God that so many claim is "everywhere" by the way?
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09-23-2003, 01:58 PM

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I agree. Atheists versus those with an imaginary friend. Let's just fucking get it over with. God versus Common Sense - winner takes all.

I'm not religious at all, but if you were on the side of the Atheists (the"common sense" side), you would get wiped out in about a day. The VAST majority of this country is religious.....like 85 percent or more.

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09-23-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by sperbonzo
I'm not religious at all, but if you were on the side of the Atheists (the"common sense" side), you would get wiped out in about a day. The VAST majority of this country is religious.....like 85 percent or more.

Ah, but common sense versus an imaginary friend is like an A1 tank versus a guy holding his finger out in the shape of a pistol going "bang, bang".
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09-23-2003, 02:07 PM

Actually, I was wrong, it is about 81% (77% chistian)

http://www.gc.cuny.edu/studies/introduction.htm

This report summarizes a ten-year follow-up study of religious identification among American adults, undertaken for the first time in 1990. Carried out under the auspices of The Graduate Center of the City University of New York, the 1990 National Survey of Religious Identification (NSRI) was the most extensive survey of religious identification in the later half of 20th-century America. That study, like the current follow-up, was undertaken because the U.S. Census does not produce a religious profile of the American population. Yet, the religious categories into which a population sorts itself is surely no less important than some of the other social-demographic categories that are enumerated by the decennial census.

In 1990, ninety percent of the adult population identified with one or another religion group. In 2001, such identification has dropped to eighty-one percent.

a. the proportion of the population that can be classified as Christian has declined from eighty-six in 1990 to seventy-seven percent in 2001;
b. although the number of adults who classify themselves in non-Christian religious groups has increased from about 5.8 million to about 7.7 million, the proportion of non-Christians has increased only by a very small amount - from 3.3 % to about 3.7 %;
c. the greatest increase in absolute as well as in percentage terms has been among those adults who do not subscribe to any religious identification; their number has more than doubled from 14.3 million in 1990 to 29.4 million in 2001; their proportion has grown from just eight percent of the total in 1990 to over fourteen percent in 2001 [note 5];
d. there has also been a substantial increase in the number of
adults who refused to reply to the question about their religious preference, from about four million or two percent in 1990 to more than eleven million or over five percent in 2001.

By the way......I'm NOT christian

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09-23-2003, 02:10 PM

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Ah, but common sense versus an imaginary friend is like an A1 tank versus a guy holding his finger out in the shape of a pistol going "bang, bang".

The 6 true athiests, and the couple hundred people who claim to be just to be different, are the tank in your scenerio?

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09-23-2003, 02:10 PM

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Jeez, it IS getting like Orwell's " 1984 " isn't it?

Bush's entire support is based on a propaganda campaign taken directly from 1984 or the "big lie" theory.

The sad part is that many Americans, some of them posting on this thread, actually believe it.

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09-23-2003, 02:14 PM

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Jeez, it IS getting like Orwell's " 1984 " isn't it?

Yet another book I've never read.
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09-23-2003, 02:27 PM

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The 6 true athiests, and the couple hundred people who claim to be just to be different, are the tank in your scenerio?

ROFL..

Atheists/Scientists can't even agree on the theory of evolution, that wouldn't be a solid and unified army of ammunition.

In contrast, common sense points more towards there being a superior being that created life as we know it. Ever look at human anatomy? It is the most beautiful and complex creation of all time. Think about all the details the human body has, for us to survive. Eyelashes/nose hairs filter things from entering our body. If we didn't sleep, we'd use all of the resources on our planet far more quickly, just from eating more meals a day. So many fascinating things and I find it highly unlikely that we evolved on our own after cells survived the big bang, ice age etc etc.

Maybe we are products of an alien experiment, we aren't meant to know. If we knew all, we wouldn't learn anything from living.

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09-23-2003, 02:28 PM

I just had to post since this aroused my interest...

Why don't you just call it a judo-derived country? And didn't they remove one nation under god from the pledge?

Furthermore, associating God only with christianity is plain dumb. Oh, and school prayers should be allowed on the basis that they were not mandatory and that you could pray to whatever god you prefer.

And doesn't the constitution tell you to bear arms against the 'stinkin' britts'?
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09-23-2003, 02:30 PM

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09-23-2003, 02:43 PM

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09-23-2003, 02:45 PM

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In contrast, common sense points more towards there being a superior being that created life as we know it.

....

Maybe we are products of an alien experiment, we aren't meant to know. If we knew all, we wouldn't learn anything from living.

I think your last two sentences throw the whole "common sense" thing out the window. ;-)

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09-23-2003, 02:52 PM

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The Pledge AIN'T the 'Constitution'.

Money AIN'T the 'Constitution'.

Sure the U.S. is by majority 'Judeo-Christian' but the issue at hand is the slip of the lip of a sitting Secretary out of touch with the overall population.

The fact he backtracked and corrected himself shows he KNEW he should have put brain first and mouth second.

What does the constitution have to do with what kind of religous background this country is?

Have you ever read the constituion? it has numerous reference about the christian religion. The bill of rights was based on man's "GOD given right" to live in a country.
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09-23-2003, 03:17 PM

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The Human Body as marvelous as it is, strongly suggests that a creator must have been far from all knowing.

If I were an all powerful, all knowing being looking to create something to worship me (as creation teaches us is the purpose of humans) I sure as hell would do a better job of it.

The human body is far from strong, it is prone to breaking down very easily, can not hold up to much of anything. And if I live forever it would definately last a lot longer.

We are a completely insignificant speck of dust in the universe.

Mankind's ego has created religion in an attempt to overcome our insignificance

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09-23-2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Aren't crosses a symbol that promotes a "church". Why don't they just tear down all the crosses and put up a symbol that doesn' reflect only christian views......it's exactly the same as putting a cross on a public building, or putting the ten commandments in front of a courthouse,,,,isn't it?

This is a pretty damn weak argument. If you want to draw some parallel between a sacred burial ground and a courthouse... well... nm.

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09-23-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Female
Why do so many people seem to side with Saddam, bin Laden etc? I mean, that is the message you are sending when you are saying what a fuck up Bush is for going to war with Iraq.

Fuck political correctness, not everyone has time to acknowledge every nook and cranny, it's not practical. Next some people will be arguing the US isn't an English-Spanish speaking nation... Sure there's other languages spoken, but those are the majorities.

It's quite a leap to say anyone who disagrees with the war or Mr. Bush's policies and course of action is aiding the enemy.

I'm all for the second half of your statement, however. FUCK PC.

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09-23-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

Yet another book I've never read.

Check out 1984 and Brave New World for some good reading.

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09-23-2003, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Colin

I think your last two sentences throw the whole "common sense" thing out the window. ;-)

I thought it was clear she was on the God side of the argument rather than common sense.

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09-23-2003, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Colin
This is my favorite thread today

See??? Here I am one of the most if not THE most famous chat host on AOL ( former since the Bush propoganda brownshirts tookover ) and I can keep a thread rockin' til the break of dawn and NOBODY HAS RENTED MY SIG YET.

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09-23-2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by sperbonzo
WHY ARE THERE CROSSES ON GOVERMENT LAND AT THE NATIONAL CEMETERY?

because the people in there had religious beliefs, and they wanted them displayed on their graves. You have a problem with that?

Someone gives their life for our country and you are going to tell them they can't have a cross to mark their grave because we buried them on land owned by the governement?
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09-23-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Furious_Female

Atheists/Scientists can't even agree on the theory of evolution, that wouldn't be a solid and unified army of ammunition.

In contrast, common sense points more towards there being a superior being that created life as we know it. Ever look at human anatomy? It is the most beautiful and complex creation of all time. Think about all the details the human body has, for us to survive. Eyelashes/nose hairs filter things from entering our body. If we didn't sleep, we'd use all of the resources on our planet far more quickly, just from eating more meals a day. So many fascinating things and I find it highly unlikely that we evolved on our own after cells survived the big bang, ice age etc etc.

Maybe we are products of an alien experiment, we aren't meant to know. If we knew all, we wouldn't learn anything from living.

Scientists mightn't agree on the details of evolution but they all agree that evolution is a fact and a reality. The evidence in all areas (fossil record, DNA etc) is overwhelming. The bottom line is that there is NO scientific evidence that invalidates evolution. It is the basis of modern biology.

Anti-evolutionists are almost always pushing fundamentalist Christianity. You know, these people are the type of morons that believe the world is 6000 years old. Some of them even believe that the world is flat because of passages in the Bible that imply that it is. It is scary that these idiots should have any influence over what children are taught in science classrooms.

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