Originally posted by Fletch XXX Perople who read news sites instead of books are always funny on message boards.
The Onion is NOT REAL I tell ya!
Books are easily bias, too. But, the thing with books is, the authors almost always put research into the information and can at least provide some stats. Not only that, but books also take much longer to create (writing, proofing, printing, distributing, etc) meaning more time has passed making it easier to know real "facts".
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Sorry, I meen UN. It is UN in english but FN in all other languages I speak.
Legitimate or not, they are dead. Do you really belive that parents of those children cares about Sadam or Bush or UN (FN) or USA or anybody else? They want revange (And they are geting it)
dont matter who they kill they just want to kill, dont matter right or wrong they must have revenge. For generatrions they will want revenge. See that is what those people are all about, without revenge to live for they have nothing.
donnie, I dont know who you are, where you are but I know what you are............
Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I'm not a big fan of the UN either. But terrorist organization? Interesting philosophy. Hmm... I'm sure the various countries and people that have been helped by the UN would disagree. But hey, to each his own...
I wrote a long replay but I won't post it. You are right, to each his own...
dont matter who they kill they just want to kill, dont matter right or wrong they must have revenge. For generatrions they will want revenge. See that is what those people are all about, without revenge to live for they have nothing.
donnie, I dont know who you are, where you are but I know what you are............
Americans are talking about revange for 911 and other shit. You are starting wars beacuse you want revange. You are not better than anybody else
Than quit bitching about us and bitch about everyone. You say Iraq will want revenge, yet you don't condemn them as you condemn the US for wanting "revenge".
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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Than quit bitching about us and bitch about everyone. You say Iraq will want revenge, yet you don't condemn them as you condemn the US for wanting "revenge".
I do condemn them! All I am saying is that you shouldn't expect them to be grateful
I sit in Calfiornia and do what I do and do not bother anyone. I vote, I pay my taxes and I have no criminal charges and no speeding tickets.
I have nothing to do with this war or Bush. I didnt vote for him nor did I support his actions in iraq and still do not.
it seems your OWN IGNORANCE is what places me amongst even my own enemies, so id say its YOU with the problem not me.
point that finger at yourself or up your ass.
Who gives a shit if you vote for bush or not???? He IS your president and he IS responsible for death of civilians in iraq. That makes you responsible too
Who gives a shit if you vote for bush or not???? He IS your president and he IS responsible for death of civilians in iraq. That makes you responsible too
And that is why they attack US troops every day. They just want to show you how grateful they are
Yes, there are those. And there are also those who may be grateful. I don't have stats, I doubt we ever will. Though I do know some Iraqis who are very happy.
Kind of like how some Americans were for the war, and some were against.
For being so smart, you seem to have troubles comprehending such simple things.
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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Yes, there are those. And there are also those who may be grateful. I don't have stats, I doubt we ever will. Though I do know some Iraqis who are very happy.
Kind of like how some Americans were for the war, and some were against.
For being so smart, you seem to have troubles comprehending such simple things.
Offcourse there are people who are very happy. But it seems like majority are against american presence in Iraq. They know you are not there to help them
And that is why they attack US troops every day. They just want to show you how grateful they are
The grateful do not attack US troops...the number of those attacking troops thus far have numbered in the 100's. There are 27 million Iraqi's...and 150,000 troops of which only 15,000 are combatants...do the math.
Two hundred of those that have been captured...since the end of major conflict...that have been engaged with attacks on our troops are not even Iraqi's but are foriegn fighters.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
Offcourse there are people who are very happy. But it seems like majority are against american presence in Iraq. They know you are not there to help them
"It seems like"? The "majority"?
Those sound like broad assumptions to me. Are they taking polls over there or what?
Are you telling me that your argument in this whole thread is based on news clips, taken from your "non-bias" Swedish news source, showing some Iraqi radicals chasing after American soldiers?
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The grateful do not attack US troops...the number of those attacking troops thus far have numbered in the 100's. There are 27 million Iraqi's...and 150,000 troops of which only 15,000 are combatants...do the math.
Two hundred of those that have been captured...since the end of major conflict...that have been engaged with attacks on our troops are not even Iraq's but are foriegn fighters.
That makes no sence. Do you want woman and children to attack troops?? Yes, there is 27 millions iraqi's but not all of them are able to fight. But that dosen't make them grateful. They simply aren't organized. And foreign fighters are mostly arabs like most of the iraq population. Borders between arab nations are drown by france and GB. But they are one kind of people protecting their land
Originally posted by Sly_RJ
"It seems like"? The "majority"?
Those sound like broad assumptions to me. Are they taking polls over there or what?
Are you telling me that your argument in this whole thread is based on news clips, taken from your "non-bias" Swedish news source, showing some Iraqi radicals chasing after American soldiers?
Actually there have been at least 3 polls taken by various news orgs...I doubt that they were scientific polls...but I do not know that...and I do not know the questions that were asked. The latest poll results were over 60% of those polled were grateful that Saddam is no longer in power and they do not want the US to pull out of their country until there is a stable government and security in place.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
Originally posted by Sly_RJ
"It seems like"? The "majority"?
Those sound like broad assumptions to me. Are they taking polls over there or what?
Are you telling me that your argument in this whole thread is based on news clips, taken from your "non-bias" Swedish news source, showing some Iraqi radicals chasing after American soldiers?
100 american soldiers have been killed in 3 months. That can't be done if you don't have support from majority of people.
That makes no sence. Do you want woman and children to attack troops?? Yes, there is 27 millions iraqi's but not all of them are able to fight. But that dosen't make them grateful. They simply aren't organized. And foreign fighters are mostly arabs like most of the iraq population. Borders between arab nations are drown by france and GB. But they are one kind of people protecting their land
You are ignorant of facts. To say that "borders between arab nations are drown by france and GB" displays you ignorance of facts. Have you ever heard of Great Britain? You are dismissed.
You are igorant of facts. To say that "borders between arab nations are drown by france and GB" displays you ignorance of facts. Have you ever heard of Great Britain? You are dismissed.
What are you talking about you fucking idiot?? GB=Great Britain
What are you talking about you fucking idiot?? GB=Great Britain
Damn you stupid
Excuse me...GB are the initials of our President...and since you have espoused your hatred of the US...I made a wrong assumption. Ignore the dismissal...at least at this point.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
That makes no sence. Do you want woman and children to attack troops?? Yes, there is 27 millions iraqi's but not all of them are able to fight. But that dosen't make them grateful. They simply aren't organized. And foreign fighters are mostly arabs like most of the iraq population. Borders between arab nations are drown by france and GB. But they are one kind of people protecting their land
Actually, I was in the army and I still have friends in the army who are over there. They are not a "news source" and their experience may not be "scientific", but they are telling me several things:
1. The local people are going out of their way to be nice and thank them for getting rid of Saddam.
2. Those locals are also giving them tips every day about where to find Baath party officials and foreign arab terrorists hiding in their neighborhoods.
3. There are small arms cached EVERYWHERE over there, in private homes, etc... and if the people were REALLY against them, there would be 100s of US tropps killed every day, not 1 or 2.
4. One of my friends has Iranian parents, but was born in the US. He is there and says that the people are telling him every day about how happy they are that Saddam is gone and how they are afraid that the US will leave and let Saddam or the Baath party come back into power.
Etc....
This is just from guys that I have known for 14 years who are on the ground over there. When I tell them how the world and US media is portraying it, they just can't understand it.
But hey, I guess we know better, huh?
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Excuse me...GB are the initials of our President...and since you have espoused your hatred of the US...I made a wrong assumption. Ignore the dismissal...at least at this point.
Hatred?? I don't give a shit about USA. But that is typical american point of view. Either you are with us or against us.
Actually, I was in the army and I still have friends in the army who are over there. They are not a "news source" and their experience may not be "scientific", but they are telling me several things:
1. The local people are going out of their way to be nice and thank them for getting rid of Saddam.
2. Those locals are also giving them tips every day about where to find Baath party officials and foreign arab terrorists hiding in their neighborhoods.
3. There are small arms cached EVERYWHERE over there, in private homes, etc... and if the people were REALLY against them, there would be 100s of US tropps killed every day, not 1 or 2.
4. One of my friends has Iranian parents, but was born in the US. He is there and says that the people are telling him every day about how happy they are that Saddam is gone and how they are afraid that the US will leave and let Saddam or the Baath party come back into power.
Etc....
This is just from guys that I have known for 14 years who are on the ground over there. When I tell them how the world and US media is portraying it, they just can't understand it.
But hey, I guess we know better, huh?
I too was in the Army and I too have 25 or more friends that I served with that are over there and some of their sons as well...that I am in contact with. They all tell me basically the same as your friends are telling you.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
Actually, I was in the army and I still have friends in the army who are over there. They are not a "news source" and their experience may not be "scientific", but they are telling me several things:
1. The local people are going out of their way to be nice and thank them for getting rid of Saddam.
2. Those locals are also giving them tips every day about where to find Baath party officials and foreign arab terrorists hiding in their neighborhoods.
3. There are small arms cached EVERYWHERE over there, in private homes, etc... and if the people were REALLY against them, there would be 100s of US tropps killed every day, not 1 or 2.
4. One of my friends has Iranian parents, but was born in the US. He is there and says that the people are telling him every day about how happy they are that Saddam is gone and how they are afraid that the US will leave and let Saddam or the Baath party come back into power.
Etc....
This is just from guys that I have known for 14 years who are on the ground over there. When I tell them how the world and US media is portraying it, they just can't understand it.
But hey, I guess we know better, huh?
You are wrong. It wouldn't be 100s of US tropps killed every day. Before may (in may, bush told the world that war is over), about 150 soldiers were killed in combat and they had an organized army against them. And I am sure most of the people over there are happy that Sadam is gone but they also know that USA made him powerfull in the first place...
You are wrong. It wouldn't be 100s of US tropps killed every day. Before may (in may, bush told the world that war is over), about 150 soldiers were killed in combat and they had an organized army against them. And I am sure most of the people over there are happy that Sadam is gone but they also know that USA made him powerfull in the first place...
He's wrong? I remember 6 months ago when damn near everyone against the attack was ranting and raving about urban warfare. Saying THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of American soldiers will die because of pissed off Iraqi's.
Now it's a different story? After 6 months suddenly the Iraqi people no longer have this great will to kill the invading American soldiers? Hmm, I wonder why...
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You are wrong. It wouldn't be 100s of US tropps killed every day. Before may (in may, bush told the world that war is over), about 150 soldiers were killed in combat and they had an organized army against them. And I am sure most of the people over there are happy that Sadam is gone but they also know that USA made him powerfull in the first place...
You're probably right. My only combat experience was in Kuwait and and a little north of Basra, but it's not much. The guys I'm talking to over there have only been there for a 7 or 8 months. I will defer to your obviously superior knowledge on urban warfare, large unit verses small unit tactics, and the day to day situation on the streets in Iraq.
You're just too smart for me...
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Hatred?? I don't give a shit about USA. But that is typical american point of view. Either you are with us or against us.
You have made several posts in this thread indication that you...some of which have been incorrect information...that indicates you apparently do give a shit...and do not like the USA.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
You have made several posts in this thread indication that you...some of which have been incorrect information...that indicates you apparently do give a shit...and do not like the USA.
I don't like Bush and I don't like US foreign politics but other than that I don't give a shit about USA.
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