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  • Stud Money
    So Fucking Banned
    • Sep 2003
    • 3214
    #1

    Visa Bans Public Nudidty Transaction

    So what now?

    Seems like Visa are slowly starting to dictate the types of sites we can / cant run.

    Any alternative solutions or ways to navigate around this new ban?
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    • ADL Colin
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      • Feb 2001
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      #2
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        • JamesK
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          • Jun 2002
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          #3
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            • TheSenator
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              • Feb 2003
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                • cali_22
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                  • Oct 2002
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                  #5
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                    • Stud Money
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 3214
                      #6
                      As required by Visa USA, sites containing content depicting public nudity, nude beaches, nudist or nude camps may be in violation of minor protection laws, where proper 2257 compliance cannot be applied. In addition, no membership sites may contain user/member submitted pictures either via a picture post or message board that contains nudity or sexually explicit depictions.
                      Was actually posted on another forum by one of the PSW Billing sales people.

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                        • Stud Money
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                          • Sep 2003
                          • 3214
                          #7
                          http://www.pswbilling.com/apply/aup.shtml?

                          Item '20' in that long list.

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                                • Matt 26z
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                                  • Apr 2002
                                  • 18481
                                  #9
                                  Well there goes all the spring break websites.

                                  I wonder if GirlsGoneWild.com is going to have THEIR processing pulled?

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                                    • Stud Money
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Sep 2003
                                      • 3214
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                      Well there goes all the spring break websites.

                                      I wonder if GirlsGoneWild.com is going to have THEIR processing pulled?
                                      If i were GGW i would be more worried about getting sent to visit bubba in jail than my transaction processor atm LMAO

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                                        • KRL
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                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 31429
                                          #11
                                          Well if that is the case, about no user submitted sexual pics in a members area, AdultFriendFinder is going to have some major problems with their 10 Million members who mostly all use sex pics.
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                                            • Veterans Day
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                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                              Well if that is the case, about no user submitted sexual pics in a members area, AdultFriendFinder is going to have some major problems with their 10 Million members who mostly all use sex pics.
                                              In the prelim I think its geared towards the "shot on the beach at spring break type" but true AFF would be in a world of hurt. Not to mention all the other sites alike.
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                                                • SGS
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                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 5176
                                                  #13
                                                  Interesting. Is it only PSW making a point of this so far?
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                                                    • Calvinguy
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                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 1752
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by SGS
                                                      Interesting. Is it only PSW making a point of this so far?
                                                      Ibill required 18 U.S.C. 2257 info on all clients sites some time ago. Maybe it was their way of dealing with it.

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                                                        • KaLi
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                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                          • 4371
                                                          #15
                                                          "As required by Visa USA, sites containing content depicting public nudity, nude beaches, nudist or nude camps may be in violation of minor protection laws, where proper 2257 compliance cannot be applied. In addition, no membership sites may contain user/member submitted pictures either via a picture post or message board that contains nudity or sexually explicit depictions. Any and all content found on PSW Clients sites must be in compliance with Title 18, Chapter 10, Sec. 2257 which is federal law."

                                                          icq:160-417-630

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                                                            • Mutt
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                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 34431
                                                              #16
                                                              wow when did that decree come down?

                                                              VoyeurWeb is huge and has 1000's of gigs of user submitted movies and pix.
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                                                                • Greg B
                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 7014
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Hey Visa is only covering it's ass.

                                                                  This country has turned into 'Lawsuit Land' where people too lazy to get a job spend all day hunting for ways to file a lawsuit.

                                                                  Do you know how much trouble they can get into if some parent finds their kid in the background of a pic of some nude chick posted on an adult site?

                                                                  Of course we say " So what? They saw the nude chick on the beach in the first place and didn't mind. "

                                                                  But that ain't the case. VISA is just minimalizing it's liability window.

                                                                  Sucks, but I'ld do the same.

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                                                                    • Greg B
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                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                      • 7014
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                      wow when did that decree come down?

                                                                      VoyeurWeb is huge and has 1000's of gigs of user submitted movies and pix.
                                                                      Well I guess Igor and the gang there are gonna have to come up with something quick.

                                                                      Knowing Igor, he's already got a way to work around it.

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                                                                        • Stud Money
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                          • 3214
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Yeah i can also understand the reasoning behind why they did it but how comes only one IPSP has this info on their site to date?

                                                                          I looked at ccbill, ibill and epoch and couldnt see this inf on their AUP or TOS links anywhere.

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                                                                            • ~Ray
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                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                              • 18361
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Visa is saying that "public nudity" MAY be in offense of the CHILD Protection Act... if you don't have any kids in your videos... it will be approved. If you have kids in your videos.... you are just sick.


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                                                                                • digifan
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                                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  And it is understandable from their POV I think.. not that this will cheer us up.
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                                                                                    • Probono
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                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 2731
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by KaLi
                                                                                      "As required by Visa USA, sites containing content depicting public nudity, nude beaches, nudist or nude camps may be in violation of minor protection laws, where proper 2257 compliance cannot be applied. In addition, no membership sites may contain user/member submitted pictures either via a picture post or message board that contains nudity or sexually explicit depictions. Any and all content found on PSW Clients sites must be in compliance with Title 18, Chapter 10, Sec. 2257 which is federal law."
                                                                                      18 uSC 2257 does not cover nudity, only sexual acts. I would want to see a primary source on this info before I made any changes.

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                                                                                        • Stud Money
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                                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                                          • 3214
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Probono
                                                                                          18 uSC 2257 does not cover nudity, only sexual acts. I would want to see a primary source on this info before I made any changes.
                                                                                          This is true however, given the new wave of reality based pornography do you not think there may be more wide scale plans to somewhat reform the definitions of this act?

                                                                                          Would at least seem like a viable option by the government to somehow pave the way for the ever evolving internet model.

                                                                                          Also, by reforming some of these definitions, sites like those sick fake cp (understand that term is being used very loosly) could also be incorporated intot he public nudity reform if any such thing did happen.

                                                                                          it just looks like the more we do to ocmply with rules and regulations that we get given as a whole, the more things are thrown at us to hinder out business model.

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                                                                                            • TheJimmy
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                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 10747
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Probono


                                                                                              18 uSC 2257 does not cover nudity, only sexual acts. I would want to see a primary source on this info before I made any changes.

                                                                                              what Probono said...


                                                                                              also, I think as long as the content is done in a ''documentary/newsworthy' type of layout it would be safer

                                                                                              now if you had the content mixed in with 200 feeds of cock-gobllins, anal-gape, etc....maybe not so much...


                                                                                              but who knows, this shit is changing all the time and the people with the most flexibility will survive...as is the case in any biz...
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                                                                                                • lexr
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                                                                                                    • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I won't believe it unless Kimmy posts on this thread.
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                                                                                                        • Niki
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                                                                                                          • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                                          I won't believe it unless Kimmy posts on this thread.
                                                                                                          Ivo

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                                                                                                            • StacyCat
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                                                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                                                              • 1167
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              So, what if you show 2257 information (though its not required) for everyone in the videos? Im sure we can get enough people together for a "public" shoot that still complies.

                                                                                                              But, 2257 doesnt apply to a lot of non sexual porn.

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                                                                                                                • TheJimmy
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                  • 10747
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by StacyCat
                                                                                                                  ... non sexual porn.


                                                                                                                  exactly



                                                                                                                  if prosecuting non-sexual topics/nudity... I guess National Geographic, and Victoria Secret catelogs would be targets...

                                                                                                                  hell I think even the Bible had some stories of incest and some rather perverse topics....we going to prosecute that next?


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                                                                                                                    • John3
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                        • bux_bunny_2003
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                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                          • 48
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Sorry but the USA sucks..... well ur law system does

                                                                                                                          As long as people can make an income from a lawsuit this will go on and on.

                                                                                                                          Whats next ?

                                                                                                                          No mature sites cous a 65 old ho feels discriminated ?

                                                                                                                          No ebony penatration becouse Africa has an aids problem and you should not show "unsafe" sex ?

                                                                                                                          Phuck it

                                                                                                                          Guess I have to find a regular job ?

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                                                                                                                            • UnseenWorld
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                              Well if that is the case, about no user submitted sexual pics in a members area, AdultFriendFinder is going to have some major problems with their 10 Million members who mostly all use sex pics.
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                                                                                                                                • G-Fresh
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by lexr
                                                                                                                                  I love conservative moralists.

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                                                                                                                                    • goBigtime
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                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by KRL
                                                                                                                                      Well if that is the case, about no user submitted sexual pics in a members area, AdultFriendFinder is going to have some major problems with their 10 Million members who mostly all use sex pics.
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                                                                                                                                        • Tipsy
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Some billers love to shove up BS like 'as required by' when what they really mean is 'we heard a rumour and have no idea what we are required to do so are covering our own asses'. Could be that it is yet another new VISA reg that they have first jump on. However, it's more likely that they are as scared as everyone else and are getting carried away with that they think VISA wants them to do rather than what's actually required.
                                                                                                                                          Ignorance is never bliss.

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                                                                                                                                            • Greg B
                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 7014
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Fuck all this bullshit.

                                                                                                                                              I didn't see VISA or the Republicans or who the fuck else complain about nudity and shit when them National Geographic and other science tv documentaries used to run shows of nude asian and african and S. american women!

                                                                                                                                              Shit, I remember one NBC show where they showed some people in Africa sniffin' snatch during family hour.

                                                                                                                                              It's bullshit, they can go fuck a dead chupacabra with this bullshit.

                                                                                                                                              See, it's okay as long as the people ain't white. Then it's obscene. This horseshit about public nudity/CP is fulla more shit than a buttplugged hippopatomus.

                                                                                                                                              ( sputters, gawks, rolls off desk like John Belushi used to do on Sat Night Live....)

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                                                                                                                                                • slavdogg
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                                                                                                                                                  WTF is a chupacabra ?
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                                                                                                                                                    • Dugmor
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 7687
                                                                                                                                                      #38


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                                                                                                                                                        • Dravyk
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          After rereading this several times, here's my conclusions ...

                                                                                                                                                          Stud Money have to disagree with your thread header. I admit that it does at first glance seem that way, but reading more deeply (and over and over a few times), my opinion it that it doesn't mean that afterall

                                                                                                                                                          Here are the keywords: "As required by Visa USA, sites containing content depicting public nudity, nude beaches, nudist or nude camps may be in violation of minor protection laws, where proper 2257 compliance cannot be applied."

                                                                                                                                                          They're closing the loopholes for pedo sites, basically. If someone LOOKS underage and is nude, then you better have proof they aren't. That's my reading.

                                                                                                                                                          And what Probono said is true, 2257 is for sexual acts, but again, somewhere between 2257 and legal-aged model public nudity, pedos have been slipping through the crevice in between the two and this is being used to close that up.

                                                                                                                                                          I doubt any of the Drunk Girls and GGW sites will be disappearing.

                                                                                                                                                          As to the members uploads part, one should be getting model releases and 2257 info there anyhow. I'm sure those who submit to webmasters and include those and sign contracts before the pics are posted will be allowed to continue as well.

                                                                                                                                                          Anyhow, just my layman's opinions.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Dravyk
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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Veterans Day
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                                                                                                                                                                              I am not sure this is a problem. If you want to be in an especially risky segment of a risky business, you can't really complain when major mainstream companies don't want that risk too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • chupacabra
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Donny
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 13754
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Greg B


                                                                                                                                                                                          Well I guess Igor and the gang there are gonna have to come up with something quick.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Knowing Igor, he's already got a way to work around it.
                                                                                                                                                                                          You know Igor?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • KCat
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't think Igor & the folks at Pro Adult are going to change their entire business model based on what a third party processor who can't pay their clients is saying.

                                                                                                                                                                                              PA isn't even US based.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                • gornyhuy
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I wouldn't be surprised if Igor just pixelates or blacks out the genitals on his free voyeurweb pages and forces everyone to go to RedClouds to get any actual nudity. I would be willing to bet his sales would skyrocket.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      where proper 2257 compliance cannot be applied

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