Canada's First Legally Married Gay Couple Denied Entry Into USA

Not in a way that they could enter the US....

Quit trying to steal my nations sovereignty and make it Canada.

LMAO


I'm born gay, but no one could be born predisposed to being 'heavy'.

Gay compassion at it's finest.

The point is they did not fill out the required paperwork...and the were offered the opportunity to do so...and chose not to.

How long ago was it that Canada made it legal for gay people to get married?

theking... read and catch up.

You'll see that the quoted comment was sarcasm.

That is not true...some people are genetically predisposed to be fat and some were born with a physiological problem and some develop a physiological problem during their life.

Ok you dont uderstand so i will explain it like i would to a 2 year old

STRAIGHT MARRIED CANADIAN COUPLE 1 SET OF PAPERWORK THAT IS REQUIRED BY CANADIAN COUPLES TO ENTER USA NO ADDITIONAL PAPERWORK REQUIRED..... PAPER WORK STAMPED AND THEY ENTER USA

GAY MARRIED CANADIAN COUPLE 1 SET OF PAPERWORK THAT IS REQUIRED FOR CANADIAN COUPLES TO ENTER USA HOWEVER they are asked to fill out additional paperwork because USA does not recognise CANADIAN SAME SEX MARRAIGE REFUSE TO FILL OUT ADDITIONAL PAPER WORK ACCESS DENIED...


That would be like the usa saying that other races of people need to fill out additional paperwork because of thier race in order to enter

Wouldnt it?


Or maybe you need to explain it to me like I am 2 years old

Here is your explanation....


It is not your RIGHT to enter the US.

Do it how we say or fuck off.



You know full well (as a private citizen) I couldn't carry a concealed weapon into Canada.

Especially if I didn't fill out the magical non-existent paperwork to do so....

Even a two year old may be able to understand that they did not fill out the required paper work to enter the US...they were provided the opportunity to do so and refused.

I don't understand what the confusion is.

Two guys entering the US cannot enter without filling out seperate forms.

It doesn't matter if they are married in another country. When entering the US, two males need to fill out seperate forms.

You know, if the US tried telling Canada what should be required for US citizens to enter Canada, everyone would be complaining that the US was trying to run Canada and didn't recognize Canada's sovereign right to rule themselves.

Ok I agree with you that they were provided paperwork to enter NOT disputing that......


But they had they paper work filled out that any other MARRIED canadian couple would have needed to enter the USA ...they were asked to fill out additional paperwork because the USA did not recognise their paperwork that they had filled out because they were both men....


that makes it simpler..the were not allowed to enter the usa with the paperwork that they had because they were both men with paperwork that said that they were married in canada.....

If they were entering back into Canada with the same paperwork they would not have had any problems i assume.....

I guess what it boils down to is that you are right .....they probably COULD have filled out the paperwork that they were asked to fill out by the border patrol....

These 2 men must have had enough respect for each other thier love and thier union to not believe in and or to submit to what another country had to say about thier views and their union.

Fucking exactly!!!!!!!
If you don't like it........don't come here!!

I think the law should be changed, and gays should be able to marry. But I also believe pot should be legal. What I think does not matter, what matters is the LAW!!!!

If I were married and my husband and I were visiting a country, that the border said "our country doesn't recognize you 2 as being legally married, fill out individual paperwork, you can enter our country and still be together, but unfortunately you won't be recognized as married" ...I'd be like "Ok no problem".

It has nothing to do with RESPECT for each other's love and union, its about having RESPECT for the country you are entering. They were more than welcome to cross over the border and be together, hold hands, fuck in a hotel... whatever... EXCEPT be recognized as a legal marriage.

A 2 year old could follow your explanation yes... children are easy to brainwash with misguided and opinionated information. Follow the facts and laws, not their "offended feelings".

ok they were just both fucking crybabies trying to prove a point .......


thats the only thing i am gonna be able to say that anyone in here will agree with I give up...


Anyone wanna discuss religon? Politics maybe?

pretty much what the issue boils down to already ;)

Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines



Homosexuality is god's way of insuring that the truly gifted aren't burdened with children. ~Sam Austin


If homosexuality is a disease, let's all call in queer to work: "Hello. Can't work today, still queer." ~Robin Tyler


No government has the right to tell its citizens when or whom to love. The only queer people are those who don't love anybody. ~Rita Mae Brown, speech, 28 August 1982


I get sick of listening to straight people complain about, "Well, hey, we don't have a heterosexual-pride day, why do you need a gay-pride day?" I remember when I was a kid I'd always ask my mom: "Why don't we have a Kid's Day? We have a Mother's Day and a Father's Day, but why don't we have a Kid's Day?" My mom would always say, "Every day is Kid's Day." To all those heterosexuals that bitch about gay pride, I say the same thing: Every day is heterosexual-pride day! Can't you people enjoy your banquet and not piss on those of us enjoying our crumbs over here in the corner? ~Rob Nash

fun2cboys

I think that a lot of us agree with you on gay rights (except for the usual gay bashers who are probably still in the closet).

But that still doesn't change the fact that those men were not denied the "privilege" to come to the U.S.

They chose to want things their way, and when they didn't get it they threw a temper tantrum.

Nah. I agree with some of the stuff you said. But I do think it was just an issue of paperwork, and I do think if the situation was reversed we'd be discussing US imperialism instead of gay rights. ;)

I would love to see how the states would handle peter tatchell

You are right......And you know what I would have probably signed the fucking papers right along with my boyfriend to get into a country i wanted to go to.....Obviously it wasnt THAT important for these guys to come to the USA or they would have done the same......


Personally I have dealt with this shit for so long that I really dont give a fuck what people think about me or who I love or how much cock I suck in my bedroom...If you dont fuckin like it then dont look.....I can continue to pay more for a seperate health insurance policy I can afford to pay more for other things because I dont have to deal with some of the bullshit that straight people have to...

I guess for now that if I wanna be gay I will have to deal with the world that I am gay in...but if there are those of us that choose NOT to say anything then how the hell do we expect it to get changed.

I am sure that if they came right out and banned selling porn on the internet that a lot of people in here would have something to say about that.....

right on! You get nothing done by sitting in the corner and accepting your 'fate'

Yes, they probably knew exactly what was going to happen and that they could get publicity for their cause. Human rights campaigners throughout history have done similar things. And guess what, we are talking about it.

EXCELLENT POST!!!

King, your posts are so damn black and white. Life is not black and white however. Its fucking somewhere in between inevitably.

The point is this gay couple would still give the same fucking info either way. They just wanted to be noted as having the legal marital status of a couple that Canada legally granted them.

That's simple enough to me and it should have been given to them.

But no the USA had to make them declare they weren't legally married when in FACT they were legally married.

Geeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Gosh I think thats what I wanted to say the whole time......

but was too pissed because of what I had read to think STRAIGHT....EVERY fuckin pun intended there......

sorry to hear :///

as one of my friends says - I can't even walk in a straight line

I know that i do frequently ...Do you ?

They are not legally married in the US and if the Customs agent had not required them to fill out the correct paperwork...he would be putting his job in jeopardy. Don't like the rules...write your congressman.

Correct. They are not Legally married in the US. But they were legally married in Canada. As such they should be afforded the correct legal status which is they are a MARRIED couple.

Maybe we need to see both sets of forms so we can all speak correctly here and see what the forms say.

Anyone have links to them or have a copy to post??

a post qouted before it happened..lol

damn i am good

You mentioned black and white...and to me it is black and white. It is immaterial if they are legally married in Canada...they are not legally married in the US and and US Regulations/Laws are the only thing that is applicable. If while in country for example one was placed in intensive care from...let us say a car wreck...the other would not be allowed to visit...because they are not immediate family...why because in the US they are not legally married thus are not immediate family...and that is just a mere hospital reg and not a Customs reg.

With this, no need to argue that this is fucked up ... How would you like if you couldn't see your spouse ... all this because they are the same sex.

SO WHAT!

A step further ( or backwards) and you will not recognize interracial mariages ...

I would love to see em try to keep me out if that was the case and it was me

Canada is ahead of the United States on many human rights issues. Who gives a fuck of two gay guys want to get married and have that marriage recognized legally? There should be no law against what two consenting adults can do together.

In the US two of the same sex cannot be spouse.

Hospitals have security gaurds and the larger hospitals have regular police on duty...if you created a disturbance you would be hauled away.

Sometimes we all need to look back to realize how ridiculous laws can be and how eventually things do change for the better and discrimination is brought to heel.


1855 The University of Iowa becomes the first state school to admit women. In 1858, the board of managers tries, but fails, to exclude women.

1855 In Missouri v. Celia, a Slave, a Black woman is declared to be property without a right to defend herself against a master's act of rape.

1860 Of 2,225,086 Black women, 1,971,135 are held in slavery. In San Francisco, about 85% of Chinese women are essentially enslaved as prostitutes.

1866 14th Amendment is passed by Congress (ratified by the states in 1868), the first time "citizens" and "voters" are defined as "male" in the Constitution.

1870 In March, for the first time in the history of jurisprudence, women serve on juries in the Wyoming Territory.

1870 The 15th Amendment receives final ratification. By its text, women are not specifically excluded from the vote. During the next two years, approximately 150 women will attempt to vote in almost a dozen different jurisdictions from Delaware to California, including the Grimke sisters in Boston, Sojourner Truth in Battle Creek, MI, and Matilda Joselyn Gage in New York. Even in South Carolina, a few black women, protected by Reconstruction officials, cast ballots.

1872 November 5: Susan B. Anthony and fourteen women register and vote in the presidential election to test whether the recently adopted Fourteenth Amendment can be interpreted as protecting women's rights. Anthony is arrested, tried, found guilty, and fined $100, which she refuses to pay.

1873 Bradwell v. Illinois: Supreme Court affirms that states can restrict women from the practice of any profession to preserve family harmony and uphold the law of the Creator.

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You have to especially love this one!

1873 Congress passes the Comstock Law, defining contraceptive information as "obscene material." As postal inspector, moralist Anthony Comstock seizes mail and shuts down newspapers carrying such information.

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1923 Supreme Court strikes down a 1918 minimum-wage law for District of Columbia women because, with the vote, women are considered equal to men. This ruling cancels all state minimum wage laws.

1936 United States v. One Package declassifies birth control information as obscene. Contraceptive devices can finally be imported to the United States.

1963 The Equal Pay Act, proposed twenty years earlier, establishes equal pay for men and women performing the same job duties. It does not cover domestics, agricultural workers, executives, administrators or professionals.

1970 The Equal Rights Amendment is reintroduced into Congress.

1972 In Eisenstadt v. Baird the Supreme Court rules that the right to privacy encompasses an unmarried person's right to use contraceptives.

1972 After languishing since 1923, the ERA is passed by Congress on March 22 and sent to the states for ratification. Hawaii approves it within the hour. By the end of the week, so have Delaware, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Idaho and Iowa.

1974 The Equal Credit Opportunity Act forbids sex discrimination in all consumer credit practices; extended to commercial credit in 1988.

1975 Taylor v. Louisiana denied states the right to exclude women from juries.

1992 Women are now paid 71 cents for every dollar paid to men. The range is from 64 cents for working-class women to 77cents for professional women with doctorates. Black women earned 65 cents, Latinas 54 cents.

Kind of goes against the grain for all of those that are proclaiming how we are losing our freedom...doesn't it.

Makes you realize how far we still have to go.

MUCH better than where it was though.
I'm amazed how far things have come in the last 15 years.

Even my local Walgreens has a gay section.