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imagine if it were some 40yearold and his 12 yearold "wife" from some country to accepts that. should we let them fill out the form too?Originally posted by KRL
That is a morality issue though. We should not impose our morals on tourists from Canada. I don't think that's right or fair to do.
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Hitler and Bush breathe the same air too and so constitute a great evil.Originally posted by theking
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idiotOriginally posted by rossiya2
Hitler and Bush breathe the same air too and so constitute a great evil.333-765-551Comment
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I'm not really a big history major, but isn't Hitler..umm...DEAD? Dead people don't breath much of anything.Originally posted by rossiya2
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neofascist isolationist freakOriginally posted by bringer
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The atoms are still floating around. Do you know that with every breath you inhale 2000 atoms from Einstein's dying breath?Originally posted by FATPad
I'm not really a big history major, but isn't Hitler..umm...DEAD? Dead people don't breath much of anything.
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idiotOriginally posted by rossiya2
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Hey everybody we must put down our differences someone with the handle bringer has tapped into the voice of God and found the divine truth, revealing out simian brains to be mere Jello pudding. Sorry but if any of you have any viewpoints you'll need to forget them because the truth has been taught in the U.S. public system and now with Internet technology it is revealed to the world. Thank you bringer thank you !!!!!!!<a href="mailto:[email protected]">sales@cologroup. com</a> | 52027820 | <a href="http://www.cologroup.com">www.cologroup.com</a>Comment
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Why are the parades called "Gay Pride" then? That's only marching in a parade for one cause. They aren't "gay and straight pride" parades. So therefore, they are isolating themselves from the rest of society that isn't gay.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
just because you march in a parade once a year doesn't mean you isolate yourself from anyone. It means that once a year you march in a parade.
If heterosexuals held parades for "Straight Pride" ...There would be some gays starting riots and crying discrimination. It just seems, like some of them try to make it a point, that they are special or different, when they are just humans with different preferences, like everyone else.Comment
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the parades only make the divide larger in my opinion due the way they act, walking naked down streets when there are kids around, ect. tho i know straight ppl who march in those parades as well.Originally posted by Furious_Female
Why are the parades called "Gay Pride" then? That's only marching in a parade for one cause. They aren't "gay and straight pride" parades. So therefore, they are isolating themselves from the rest of society that isn't gay.
If heterosexuals held parades for "Straight Pride" ...There would be some gays starting riots and crying discrimination. It just seems, like some of them try to make it a point, that they are special or different, when they are just humans with different preferences, like everyone else.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Loads of groups have parades to celebrate various parts of their identity. For example, does your city have a Puerto Rican day parade?Originally posted by Furious_Female
Why are the parades called "Gay Pride" then? That's only marching in a parade for one cause. They aren't "gay and straight pride" parades. So therefore, they are isolating themselves from the rest of society that isn't gay.
If heterosexuals held parades for "Straight Pride" ...There would be some gays starting riots and crying discrimination. It just seems, like some of them try to make it a point, that they are special or different, when they are just humans with different preferences, like everyone else.
Oh, and there are pleanty of parades that gay people aren't allowed to march in if they identify themselves as gay. When I lived in Boston it was a yearly issue.
Also, I have never known a gay pride parade that doesn't allow straight people to march. In fact, PFLAG (parents and friends of lesbians and gays) has always been embraced everywhere I have been.
I don't know how much you know about the fight for gay (read: equal) rights but most of the parades are a homage to Stonewall. The mark of the start of people who bravely stood up for their rights.Comment
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I am really always bemused by people being so upset about the term 'gay pride'. It is simply the reverse of 'gay shame' which just about anyone who has come out knows all too much about.Comment
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In 30 years gay marriage will probably be federal law if only because metrosexuals and freshmen are steeped in sex and there's a huge generation gap. In the meantime Europe will snicker about the archaic laws on a daily basis.
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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
I am really always bemused by people being so upset about the term 'gay pride'. It is simply the reverse of 'gay shame' which just about anyone who has come out knows all too much about.
I'm bemused about people being upset about the 'term' "white pride".
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Let me just state for the record that I think gays should be able to be married via civil services in the US.
I also think that people should fill out their customs form properly acccording to the laws of the land they are trying to enter.Comment
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Being gay isn't a nationality like being Puerto Rican is. Being gay can be in any race, religion or culture. There's no Gayixco country, that has won and lost battles, established a culture, a government etc. My point is, I think it's excess to put up flags and make an extreme point of their preference. I am heterosexual, I wouldn't hang a flag on my house because I am proud of that. I wouldn't do that if I were a lesbian either. Sometimes I think it just goes too far and makes a mockery of equal rights, because there's nothing equal about that. 2 gay men holding hands, walking down the street is just as good a "pride statement" as marching in a parade. People will still receive the same message.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
Loads of groups have parades to celebrate various parts of their identity. For example, does your city have a Puerto Rican day parade?
Oh, and there are pleanty of parades that gay people aren't allowed to march in if they identify themselves as gay. When I lived in Boston it was a yearly issue.
Also, I have never known a gay pride parade that doesn't allow straight people to march. In fact, PFLAG (parents and friends of lesbians and gays) has always been embraced everywhere I have been.
I don't know how much you know about the fight for gay (read: equal) rights but most of the parades are a homage to Stonewall. The mark of the start of people who bravely stood up for their rights.Comment
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whens the straight young white male parade? oh wait! that'd be racist, sexist, and a ton of other bullshitOriginally posted by sarah_webinc
Loads of groups have parades to celebrate various parts of their identity. For example, does your city have a Puerto Rican day parade?
Oh, and there are pleanty of parades that gay people aren't allowed to march in if they identify themselves as gay. When I lived in Boston it was a yearly issue.
Also, I have never known a gay pride parade that doesn't allow straight people to march. In fact, PFLAG (parents and friends of lesbians and gays) has always been embraced everywhere I have been.
I don't know how much you know about the fight for gay (read: equal) rights but most of the parades are a homage to Stonewall. The mark of the start of people who bravely stood up for their rights.Last edited by bringer; 09-20-2003, 03:01 PM.333-765-551Comment
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Which is a fair enough view, even if I disagree. It is worth noting that more gay people don't march in those parades than do. As with any cause it is the people with the loudest voices that get heard.Originally posted by Furious_Female
Being gay isn't a nationality like being Puerto Rican is. Being gay can be in any race, religion or culture. There's no Gayixco country, that has won and lost battles, established a culture, a government etc. My point is, I think it's excess to put up flags and make an extreme point of their preference. I am heterosexual, I wouldn't hang a flag on my house because I am proud of that. I wouldn't do that if I were a lesbian either. Sometimes I think it just goes too far and makes a mockery of equal rights, because there's nothing equal about that. 2 gay men holding hands, walking down the street is just as good a "pride statement" as marching in a parade. People will still receive the same message.
There is no one singular gay mindset. Just sometimes people like to get together and honour the people that fought for their rights and also to have a party without looking over their shoulder. Standing up to be counted.Comment
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I am more concerned about people that use the term pride to suggest that others shouldn't also have pride in whatever they happen to be or to insinuate they are better than others.Originally posted by broke
I'm bemused about people being upset about the 'term' "white pride".
I'm proud of my short, fat, white, bisexual, american, british by injection, smut merchant self but doesn't mean I think I am better than anyone else
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Oh for fucks sake.
I'm going to drive to toronto next weekend and attempt tp cross the border... then tell the Canadian border patrol that I'm going to enter Canada on my terms and they can go fuck themselves.
Then I'm going to scream to high hell about it -- when I don't get in....
When did entering the US become a 'RIGHT' for other nationalities?
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again, I have never heard of gay pride parade where a straight person wasn't free to march.Originally posted by bringer
whens the straight young white male parade? oh wait! that'd be racist, sexist, and a ton of other bullshitComment
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Doesn't matter.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
again, I have never heard of gay pride parade where a straight person wasn't free to march.
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This whole thing is so fucking stupid.
Want to enter a country? Play by their rules.
Want to get pub? Bitch about those rules.
Simple as that.Comment
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doesnt matter. they wont allow it.Originally posted by FATPad
Doesn't matter.
If there as a parade called the "Straight Pride Parade" do you think it would be labelled as prejudice?
a local radio station tried to do that here a few years back and couldnt get a permit. it was to happen the same day as a "gay pride parade" in the same town. they were told they would never be able to get a permit for such an event because it would cause chaos and protest. fuck everyone
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I want to cross the Canadian border and keep my concealed handgun on me at all times....
Border patrol let me pass???
Maybe I could just fill out forms differently.....Comment
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thats not the point. whites can march in black parades, but there will never be a white parade. it sucks being a young straight white male. i actually have to work hard to get what i have and get labeled a racist all the time.Originally posted by sarah_webinc
again, I have never heard of gay pride parade where a straight person wasn't free to march.
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i was interested so i searched googleOriginally posted by FATPad
Doesn't matter.
If there as a parade called the "Straight Pride Parade" do you think it would be labelled as prejudice?
heres what i found http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...d=140309&rfi=8
andA spokesman for Triangle Foundation, a gay advocacy group, last week decried the straight pride parade.
"It mocks the gay community," said Sean Kosofsky, adding that such a parade is akin to celebrating white pride.
http://www.freep.com/news/locoak/noak17_20020617.htm
Gay activists who attended Sunday's parade said the crowd was anything but joking. The parade, with marchers chanting "Straight is great" and pumping their fists in the air, looked like an antigay rally, not a celebration, said Sean Kosofsky of the Triangle Foundation.cant use the same street?Kosofsky said organizers further mocked the gay community by holding the parade on the same street as the gay-pride festival and during gay-pride month.
i think this proves my point.
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The only reason any gay man would protest a "straight pride" parade would be because of the awful decorations & clothing worn!Originally posted by Furious_Female
Why are the parades called "Gay Pride" then? That's only marching in a parade for one cause. They aren't "gay and straight pride" parades. So therefore, they are isolating themselves from the rest of society that isn't gay.
If heterosexuals held parades for "Straight Pride" ...There would be some gays starting riots and crying discrimination. It just seems, like some of them try to make it a point, that they are special or different, when they are just humans with different preferences, like everyone else.
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How the fuck did this turn into a parade thread?
Fact of the matter is border agents asked people to fill out their form(s) correctly (as it applies to US law) -- and the people got pissed and went home.
Hardly a story.
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And those damn Irish do that too! Walking down the street big as you please with their pale skin and red hair flowing while chugging Irish wiskey!Originally posted by BlackCrayon
the parades only make the divide larger in my opinion due the way they act, walking naked down streets when there are kids around, ect. tho i know straight ppl who march in those parades as well.
Totally uncalled for!!
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Originally posted by Centurion
The only reason any gay man would protest a "straight pride" parade would be because of the awful decorations & clothing worn!
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So anyone that has suffered centuries of repression and degradation should just be quiet and greatful about the fact that they can walk down the street now and not be killed (for the most part) by any passing party on a whim?Originally posted by Furious_Female
Being gay isn't a nationality like being Puerto Rican is. Being gay can be in any race, religion or culture. There's no Gayixco country, that has won and lost battles, established a culture, a government etc. My point is, I think it's excess to put up flags and make an extreme point of their preference. I am heterosexual, I wouldn't hang a flag on my house because I am proud of that. I wouldn't do that if I were a lesbian either. Sometimes I think it just goes too far and makes a mockery of equal rights, because there's nothing equal about that. 2 gay men holding hands, walking down the street is just as good a "pride statement" as marching in a parade. People will still receive the same message.
Because when they hold an event to celebrate their "innate" nature, it's just over the line? Sort of like sitting in the front of the bus as opposed to the back of one?
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I actually think that you then would have a fairly large gay audience!Originally posted by bringer
whens the straight young white male parade? oh wait! that'd be racist, sexist, and a ton of other bullshit
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I'm sure you'd have said the same thing oh..40 years ago eh?Originally posted by bringer
it sucks being a young straight white male. i actually have to work hard to get what i have and get labeled a racist all the time.
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Jesus........
I cannot belive some of the SHIT that I am reading in here........
Look at what we all do for a living and you guys want to talk about morality?
I cant fucking BELIEVE that some of these reactions are coming from the adult webmaster community here.....
Like some of this SHIT ....
"dam, send the fags to mexico i dont want to pay tax dollars for them,"
I bet you sure as fuck would take thier credit card if they were signing up for a membership to one of your sites.....
"Sounds like these guys wanted to make a big deal out of it though or they'd have filed seperately and went in"
Would you make a big deal out of it if you went to another country and lets say for example that you and your wife were in a car accident and you get to the hospital and they tell you sorry you cant see her only her maternal family can?
"Homosexuality is the Hula Hoop of today.
Eventually the fad will pass, at least until the next unnatural abomination comes along.."
Abonination? What the fuck ever look at some of the porn sites that are marketed on the net today and you wanna talk aboination with gays? What the fuck EVER....
This whole isssue PISSES me off......Who the hell is anybody else to tell me who I can or cannot love or who I can or cannot sleep with,,,,,,Or to even tell me that it is wrong.....
I dont think that gays and lesbians deserve "SPECIAL" rights, I think that we deserve EQUAL rights...And that includes the right to marry and file our taxes together and if we want to to be covered by each others health insurance etc.
I have been with my lover for almost 10 years....Why the hell shouldnt we be afforded these same rights that are GUARANTEED to to others under the constitution and the laws of the USA.....
I was born here.....I dint ASK to be gay.... I came this way.....Why the fuck would anybody in thier right mind CHOOSE to be part of a class of people that are shunned and not afforded the same rights as others....... Like I said it wasnt a choice I was delivered in to this life this way.....I couldnt not be and would not want to be straight even if I tried.......
I think it matters not what the person that you love looks like feels like or has betwen thier legs as long as you LOVE them with all of your heart and soul.....
Its fucked up that some of you in this industry still have your eyes CLOSED or are squinting or looking through Rose colored glasses to make shit ok in your part of the world.....Come live in mine for a few days.........Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else.....Comment
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Let's ask this question a different way...
Who thinks that the border agent should have said fuck my government... I'm going to do what I want.
??????
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i could careless about a gay pride parade. having your fucking parade. its when these "minorities" become hypocrites i draw the line. people protested the man show, but there are 3 women channels. 30min show vs 3 whole channels. there are black only award shows, BET, bravo. but at the same time these hypocrites would bash anything done by what they view as the majority and call them racists.Originally posted by Centurion
So anyone that has suffered centuries of repression and degradation should just be quiet and greatful about the fact that they can walk down the street now and not be killed (for the most part) by any passing party on a whim?
Because when they hold an event to celebrate their "innate" nature, it's just over the line? Sort of like sitting in the front of the bus as opposed to the back of one?
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Agreed.Originally posted by fun2cboys
I dont think that gays and lesbians deserve "SPECIAL" rights, I think that we deserve EQUAL rights...And that includes the right to marry and file our taxes together and if we want to to be covered by each others health insurance etc.
Still don't see what the has to do with Canadians that refuse to fill out the required paperwork to enter America, though.
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i wasnt alive 40 years ago. same old shit everytime. because some racist people segragated everything 40years ago it becomes my fault? because some white people owned slaves long ago i should be punished and blamed for it? its history, and we should learn from it, not use it as a tool to get what we want.Originally posted by Centurion
I'm sure you'd have said the same thing oh..40 years ago eh?333-765-551Comment
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Originally posted by broke
Agreed.
Still don't see what the has to do with Canadians that refuse to fill out the required paperwork to enter America, though.
the point is that they had the paper work that was required by any OTHER married canadian couple.......
that is If I read correctly.....
The only reason that they had to fill out seperate paperwork was because the usa doesnt rcognise thier unionEvery exit is an entrance to somewhere else.....Comment
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Originally posted by fun2cboys
the point is that they had the paper work that was required by any OTHER married canadian couple.......
that is If I read correctly.....
The only reason that they had to fill out seperate paperwork was because the usa doesnt rcognise thier union because they are both menEvery exit is an entrance to somewhere else.....Comment
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It's one thing to rejoice and celebrate in your freedom of choice and be able to make a statement about it. But my point is the extreme and excessiveness of some of these gatherings.Originally posted by Centurion
So anyone that has suffered centuries of repression and degradation should just be quiet and greatful about the fact that they can walk down the street now and not be killed (for the most part) by any passing party on a whim?
Because when they hold an event to celebrate their "innate" nature, it's just over the line? Sort of like sitting in the front of the bus as opposed to the back of one?
Damn white of you!
Fat people are discriminated against, I don't see any fat pride parades. Everyone is discriminated against for one reason or another. 2 wrongs don't make a right but if you keep pointing out how different you are and proud of it you are, you will never be equal.Comment
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Now we get to the crux of the issue.Originally posted by fun2cboys
The only reason that they had to fill out seperate paperwork was because the usa doesnt rcognise thier union
Q. Why didn't they just fill out the paperwork required to enter a sovereign nation?
A. To make international news.
I currently have the right to carry a concealed handgun... can I bring that to Canada?Last edited by broke; 09-20-2003, 03:57 PM.Comment
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bad exampleOriginally posted by Furious_Female
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Fat people are discriminated against, I don't see any fat pride parades. ...
fat people wont walk in a parade
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Million Pound March - the movement has seen anti- size discrimiation policies put on the books in a number of cities.Originally posted by Furious_Female
Fat people are discriminated against, I don't see any fat pride parades. Everyone is discriminated against for one reason or another. 2 wrongs don't make a right but if you keep pointing out how different you are and proud of it you are, you will never be equal.
Helps being a fat bi chick sometimes ;)
You know, if you don't stand up sometimes and say 'Hey I am being denied my rights' then you are never going to be equal either.Comment
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Originally posted by broke
Now we get to the crux of the issue.
Q. Why didn't they just fill out the paperwork required to enter a sovereign nation?
A. To make international news.
I currently have the right to carry a concealed handgun... can I bring that to Canada?
I suppose that there is paperowrk for that ......The point is that they HAD the paperowork filled out ..........Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else.....Comment
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fat should not be afforded the same status as differences like race, religion or gender issues... it's a health problem, not a matter of "celebrating diversity."Originally posted by Furious_Female
Fat people are discriminated against, I don't see any fat pride parades. Everyone is discriminated against for one reason or another. 2 wrongs don't make a right but if you keep pointing out how different you are and proud of it you are, you will never be equal.Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else.....Comment
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