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05-08-2004, 09:24 AM

does he get away with this? When I'm doing some keyword research for adwords this site comes up for almost every keyword that I think about using.

With that many keywords I'm sure he brings in alot of traffic, so I'm sure some of his sponsors must know about this. Why the hell havent they shut it down yet? It seems like he is breaking every TOS imaginable.

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05-08-2004, 09:25 AM

Great question.....I know I wonder as well....

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05-08-2004, 09:35 AM

how is he breaking the rules? really didnt look into it but what i saw it looks like he is just pushing alot of j4f progs

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05-08-2004, 09:36 AM

almost the all of the sites are free trial sites, a few might be J4Free.

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05-08-2004, 10:12 AM

If I were him I'd be more worried about the impending lawsuit from Napster. They've sent out C&D's for people using their name before.
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05-08-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by ZeroFate
so I'm sure some of his sponsors must know about this. Why the hell havent they shut it down yet?

And kill a perfectly good revenue stream?

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05-08-2004, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by JupZChris
how is he breaking the rules? really didnt look into it but what i saw it looks like he is just pushing alot of j4f progs

yup, no p2p anywhere there
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05-08-2004, 10:21 AM

people have made fortunes with this advertising style
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05-08-2004, 10:25 AM

I've thought about doing this before but just figured I'd get burned when the sponsors found out.

You're basically telling these people to sign up FOR FREE and then CANCEL your membership? How can this be good for any sponsor?

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05-08-2004, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by ZeroFate
I've thought about doing this before but just figured I'd get burned when the sponsors found out.

You're basically telling these people to sign up FOR FREE and then CANCEL your membership? How can this be good for any sponsor?

leave out the cancel part
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05-08-2004, 10:29 AM

still seems kinda fishy to me, but he probably rakes in the cash.

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05-08-2004, 10:32 AM

fucking popups... oh ya, wtf is my google popup blocker doing turned off????

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05-08-2004, 10:35 AM

I hate that guy. Whenever I test my money tree dialer links I see that damn page
(Dialers don't work with Broadband so it redirects to a paysite... hmm)
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05-08-2004, 10:38 AM

This is from another "napster of porn" site that ive come across:

Don't even think about paying for porn on the net! What's the matter with you? Why are all you new surfers on the net running around with your credit cards and paying for porn? Don't you see that by paying for porn it ruins it for all of us who get it for free? Don't you see that the more people give in and accept paying for porn the less free porn we will see on the net?

seriously, I dont know how shit like that flies. He is advertising 30 min peek passes. (which require a credit card, and he tells the surfer that it's to prove their age!) Im guessing 30% of them dont even realize that they have to cancel their membership...

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05-08-2004, 10:40 AM

If you choose to use your credit card you can be sure that you will not be charged for your free 30 minutes and that your cc info is safe. The 6 sites below are not run by a couple of scumbags..these are multi-million dollar operations. Actually the sites below are public companies..hell you can invest in them on the new york stock exchange. Plus these are the last sites to offer us free porn..these are the good guys.The greedy guys won't even let us see their sites without dishing out 50 bucks! The point is that they are huge operations with policies and liabilities they will never mistreat your personal info.

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That is insane.

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05-08-2004, 10:42 AM

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LOL.
That is insane.

Yeah, Im surprised that he hasn't been TOS'd... I've seen people cancelled for less. He must generate alot of signups for them to look the other way.
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05-08-2004, 11:06 AM

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people have made fortunes with this advertising style

Yes, I agree with you Steve...

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05-08-2004, 11:09 AM

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people have made fortunes with this advertising style

true that, started on SEs and then everyone copied and were buying traffic eveywhere including thehun.

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05-08-2004, 12:35 PM

oh boy, this is an old one. lemme tell you one thing. if it makes money to the sponsor it will stay. what makes money is GOOD. telling people they can get it free will keep them away from buying?

what's the matter with you?

do people quit somking bacuse it's represents a high health risk? are they scared of cancer to death? I be so, but assholes still smoke. just the same as assholes with hormones who will keep buying as long as there's suply. so instead of wondering you might learn something about human nature.

what he also say in his sales pitch is: "If you like the site, our recommendation is to stay as a member because it's probably the best of it's niche."

sponsor would kill him already if he didn't convert, believe me. they don't live under a rock.

what backdoor deals he has is another thing.

today you just learned a new lesson in marketing ;)
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05-08-2004, 12:51 PM

translation: mind your own business
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05-08-2004, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by XPorn
Great question.....I know I wonder as well....

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05-08-2004, 01:36 PM

He is promoting EpicCash..

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05-08-2004, 01:54 PM

To be honest the only ilegal thing (if you want to call it that way) i see is the usage of napsters logo but again that is their problem. everything else is ok. i mean j4f advertises the same way all free all the time. hell if it makes money all the power to him.

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05-08-2004, 02:16 PM

Why isn't he canned? Because his traffic makes the program owners more money than they pay the guy. So he's probably good to go...
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05-08-2004, 03:01 PM

He HAS to be bringing in good money for the sponsors if they put up with this. I'm half tempted to try it myself and see if I get canned.

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05-08-2004, 03:18 PM

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If I were him I'd be more worried about the impending lawsuit from Napster. They've sent out C&D's for people using their name before.

How ironic. Napster - the post child for the fuck copyrights movement - threatening to sue people for using thier trademarks. Amazing.

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05-08-2004, 03:22 PM

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05-08-2004, 03:24 PM

better to think of something like him
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05-08-2004, 03:26 PM

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He is promoting EpicCash..

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05-08-2004, 03:28 PM

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05-08-2004, 03:38 PM

haha if only you knew who that was, youd know why they arent canned for TOS violations

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05-08-2004, 03:57 PM

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How ironic. Napster - the post child for the fuck copyrights movement - threatening to sue people for using thier trademarks. Amazing.

You should see all the people Kazaa has been threatening to sue lately.
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05-08-2004, 04:02 PM

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...=napsterofporn

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05-08-2004, 10:16 PM

He's not telling anyone to cancel.... Look at the site again.

I do not see ANY TOS being broken.

The site promotes free sites and free trials.

1) At the bottom of this page will be a large selection of adult
sites that offer free passwords. Click on the site that appeals to
you and you will then be directed to the sites backdoor free
access free page.

2) Find the FREE JOIN or FREE ACCESS links and click in to
proceed to the sites free join form.

3) Fill out the required information. Personal verification is
required. A credit card number may be asked, but it will not be
processed. By law you must consent to any credit card
transaction, so be rest assured that it will not be
processed. "Free" means "Free" not anything else.

4) Once you have completed and submitted the required
information you will automatically be directed to the login page of
the adult site you joined for FREE access. It's that easy!

You know what that is? Awesome marketing done by someone
that understands their job.

If you aren't very good at marketing then don't blame this guy.
He's made a killing with that site over the last year or 2.

If he was doing what you think and telling them to cancel that
would be another thing. However he is not. You just fell for his
marketing. Good eh?

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05-08-2004, 10:20 PM

he doesnt tell the surfer to cancel, or even suggest it.... so i don't see what the problem is except for that blatant copyright violation in the title.

Those popups are a pain in the ass too, i hate that shit.
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05-08-2004, 10:27 PM

It's this simple....

He's *not* telling surfers how to get free porn.

He's telling surfers how to signup at paysites.

The very fact that you thought he was telling them how to get
free porn proves that his marketing works very well.

If the chargeback level is low and the trial to member conversion
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05-08-2004, 10:35 PM

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haha if only you knew who that was, youd know why they arent canned for TOS violations

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05-08-2004, 10:50 PM

read my quotes above!

maybe that was the wrong link to point to, but do tell me how the hundreds of sites that use this technique are still running?

Like I said, read the quotes...its totally ridiculous how they get away with their wording.

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05-08-2004, 10:57 PM

1) At the bottom of this page will be a large selection of adult
sites that offer free passwords. Click on the site that appeals to
you and you will then be directed to the sites backdoor free
access free page.

2) Find the FREE JOIN or FREE ACCESS links and click in to
proceed to the sites free join form.

3) Fill out the required information. Personal verification is
required. A credit card number may be asked, but it will not be
processed. By law you must consent to any credit card
transaction, so be rest assured that it will not be
processed. "Free" means "Free" not anything else.

4) Once you have completed and submitted the required
information you will automatically be directed to the login page of
the adult site you joined for FREE access. It's that easy!

You know what? Even reading that it is total BS. He is breaking the TOS technically...and god knows that the guy who only brings in 500 a month in signups would get dumped by the sponsor.

"2) Find the FREE JOIN or FREE ACCESS links and click in to
proceed to the sites free join form. "

FREE FREE FREE! Maybe a free trial.

"1) At the bottom of this page will be a large selection of adult
sites that offer free passwords. Click on the site that appeals to
you and you will then be directed to the sites backdoor free
access free page."

"backdoor access free page." The sponsors probably love the accidental rebills that this guy brings in! Honestly most people wont go bitching to their credit card company...they'll just simply live with losing $39 and cancel. A lot of people don't like to explain how they were duped into signing up for a porn site.

"3) Fill out the required information. Personal verification is
required. A credit card number may be asked, but it will not be
processed. By law you must consent to any credit card
transaction, so be rest assured that it will not be
processed. "Free" means "Free" not anything else. "

That right there is the BIGGEST one! "Oh, I don't have to pay! Only prove my age? Great! Bam, rebill. "oops"

"4) Once you have completed and submitted the required
information you will automatically be directed to the login page of
the adult site you joined for FREE access. It's that easy!"

They could atleast say TRIAL somewhere in there. Its a free trial, not "free access." Maybe I'm being picky, but its late and Im cranky and defensive.

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05-08-2004, 11:13 PM

A friend of mine that I actually coached on AdWords and Overture owns a few of these "napster of porn" type sites, and I gotta say, rule breaking doesn't apply when you are pulling in nearly six figures a month. His overhead also adds up, so don't just think hes making bank without spending a lot of it. But when it comes down to it, it's 100% worth the time, cash, effort, and problems.

So a big to him and all the other guys reaping the benefits of being creative.

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05-08-2004, 11:23 PM

crap im making an average of $5 for every $1 i spend on adwords. I may as well just modify this idea if they arent getting canned for it.

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05-08-2004, 11:25 PM

but first, i must sleep. I feel like punching someone in the face i'm so tired.

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05-08-2004, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by ZeroFate
crap im making an average of $5 for every $1 i spend on adwords. I may as well just modify this idea if they arent getting canned for it.

Go for it! Just be prepared to spend a lot of money. Also, you'll need to pull a few all nighters from the amount of keyword analyzing you'll be doing, but it's probably worth it in the end!

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05-08-2004, 11:30 PM

nite, it's good to hear from someone who knows adwords. it seems like people constantly bash it. honestly, i dont know how to make a profit from anything BUT adwords!

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05-08-2004, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by ZeroFate
nite, it's good to hear from someone who knows adwords. it seems like people constantly bash it. honestly, i dont know how to make a profit from anything BUT adwords!

It shouldn't be your only form of PPC Advertising, but it's definitely a good choice. Organic SE results aren't that tough to pull off, like AdWords, it takes a lot of time and patience to finally find the correct sequence of keywords or and content to use.

AdWords is far more powerful than people realize. As an advertiser I love hearing about failed campaigns from competitors that just have zero patience, and would rather pay more for less. I think Overture makes more money on small time failed AdWords advertisers than any of their marketing ploys yet.

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05-08-2004, 11:57 PM

You know what? Even reading that it is total BS. He is breaking
the TOS technically...and god knows that the guy who only brings
in 500 a month in signups would get dumped by the sponsor.

I doubt it. Volume makes a difference sure, however I'm yet to
see anything on that page that comes even close to violating any
TOS.

FREE FREE FREE! Maybe a free trial.

Do you not like making money or something? I think you could
learn a lot from this site as it seems you've missed the point of
being a webmaster.

"backdoor access free page."

Yeah noticed that.... Awesome wording... Great spot for it.... very
cool! He is not saying that it's a backdoor into the site. He's
saying "there is a door, to walk thru it you need credit card". Also
probably picks up a lil SE traffic for "free backdoor".

That right there is the BIGGEST one! "Oh, I don't have to pay!
Only prove my age? Great! Bam, rebill. "oops"

It's his job to get the surfer excited and send them to the
paysite. The paysite will have the exact amounts and trial lengths
on their join page. Why would he waste his traffic by telling them
the price on the first page??? That'd be crazy!

Any non-learning disabled surfer would know the score by the
time they've signed up. Chargebacks would be an indicator of this
and as we all know they can't get over 1-2% depending on the
zone.

They could atleast say TRIAL somewhere in there. Its a free trial,
not "free access." Maybe I'm being picky, but its late and Im
cranky and defensive.

WHY?!?!!?!!?

Are you a surfer or a webmaster?

If you're a webmaster, give your surfers a nice big hug and send
them money for xmas.

This site takes the surfers hand and tells them exactly how to go
to a paysite and signup. Very elegant and to the point. In some
ways it's a bit of a more advanced type of marketing compared to
just inserting banners and the stuff you're probably used to.
Takes creativity, thought and knowledge of how people think.

Hope with fresh eyes in the morning you learn something from
this rather then being upset about nothing.

By learn from this I don't mean clone it either. These sites kicked
off when Napster was shutdown and people were looking for
alternatives.... You'd do better to be yet more original.

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05-09-2004, 01:19 AM

I'm making about $700 a week right now on the side without using any slick tactics. That may not sound like a lot to some people, but for a kid in college its a fortune.

Maybe I need to just start scamming people. I'm NOT SAYING napster-of-porn is scamming people...but there are a TON of websites that have been around for awhile now that are tricking people into signups, and the sponsors dont do squat because it's probably making them some nice coin.

But this is GFY, so we should probably just say "fuck the poor surfer who just got his computer and wants some porn!" Live and learn, but I just feel dirty tricking someone into something just so I can jump in and make 20 bucks.

Maybe I havent been doing this long enough. My heart isnt black yet.

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05-09-2004, 01:21 AM

It's his job to get the surfer excited and send them to the
paysite. The paysite will have the exact amounts and trial lengths
on their join page. Why would he waste his traffic by telling them
the price on the first page??? That'd be crazy!

My conversions are GREAT and I tell people that they are going to be paying! We all have different marketing techniques. Maybe I should look into doing something similar.

*group hug!*

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05-09-2004, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by ZeroFate
honestly, i dont know how to make a profit from anything BUT adwords!

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05-09-2004, 01:34 AM

why? just because I have chosen not to step into the infested TGP scene? I will eventually, but I've studied and applied adwords for the past year now. You stick with what works, and I'll do the same.

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