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  • woodsix
    So Fucking Banned
    • Jul 2003
    • 134
    #1

    time is running out for the newbies...

    I have been watching websites that deliver porn over the past 6 years (don't kid yourself, this is not the PORN industry), and it looks like the time is coming for CONSOLIDATION.

    All these newbies out here thinking there is easy money selling porn reminds me of the days before the dot-com bubble burst, or the stock market bubble, or the collectibles bubble, or the mortgage refinancing bubble, or just about any other bubble of the past 20 years.

    There are a skyrocketing number of websites out there all offering porn, and a lot of it is FREE. Plus, all this irritating popup and advertising crap is just training everyone to tune out any kind of sales message and to get pop-up blockers.

    The day is coming for a HUGE shakeout.

    If you do not already have access to at least 5 years of website and programming experience, save your time and money and go do something else.
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    • Lane
      Will code for food...
      • Apr 2001
      • 8496
      #2
      newbies, porn is a dying business, get out while you can

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        • Jakke PNG
          ex-TeenGodFather
          • Nov 2001
          • 20306
          #3
          I should quit?
          ..and I'm off.

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            • SGS
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2002
              • 5176
              #4
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                • Sly_RJ
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                  • Feb 2002
                  • 17042
                  #5
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                    • chowda
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 9527
                      #6
                      its easy to sell porn. its not easy making big bucks.

                      couple hundred here and there is nothing


                      this is post #2996
                      Someone finds you...
                      2007

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                        • blazi
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 4321
                          #7
                          sex will always sell... what are you smokin'?

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                            • NedFLanders
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 412
                              #8
                              Nope
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                                • D_Nell
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 1264
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by woodsix
                                  I have been watching websites that deliver porn over the past 6 years (don't kid yourself, this is not the PORN industry), and it looks like the time is coming for CONSOLIDATION.

                                  All these newbies out here thinking there is easy money selling porn reminds me of the days before the dot-com bubble burst, or the stock market bubble, or the collectibles bubble, or the mortgage refinancing bubble, or just about any other bubble of the past 20 years.

                                  There are a skyrocketing number of websites out there all offering porn, and a lot of it is FREE. Plus, all this irritating popup and advertising crap is just training everyone to tune out any kind of sales message and to get pop-up blockers.

                                  The day is coming for a HUGE shakeout.

                                  If you do not already have access to at least 5 years of website and programming experience, save your time and money and go do something else.
                                  Actually I think you need be a Content Guy or Photographer to survive. You can resell that shit for years! But I do agree if you are Newb then its not something to expect a lot of money from

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                                    • optikalz
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Dec 2001
                                      • 555
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by chowda
                                      its easy to sell porn. its not easy making big bucks.

                                      couple hundred here and there is nothing


                                      this is post #2996
                                      that's why you make THOUSANDS of sites and explore DOZENS of channels/marketing methods.

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                                        • the Shemp
                                          congrats to the winners
                                          • Nov 2001
                                          • 10891
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by TeenGodFather
                                          I should quit?
                                          ya, you still got your clown suit? and the red nose?
                                          i use Vacares...so should you
                                          Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

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                                            • swingerman
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 223
                                              #12
                                              yes, the good old days are over.
                                              wasn't it just great when you had your busty-amateurs content, built a little free site and submitted it to dmoz?
                                              2 or 3 weeks later the aol traffic came. aol = sales
                                              it was so easy...

                                              I need a hug

                                              After all the bad words during the last days, I think I should open a "Hug" thread where we all just hug each other.
                                              Yeah, I feel like hugging right now...

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                                                • swingerman
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                  • 223
                                                  #13
                                                  oh, forgot:
                                                  nowadays we have to work hard for our money (and even invest a lot). DAMN! this sucks big time ;)

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                                                    • DamageX
                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                      • 14293
                                                      #14
                                                      The strong will survive.
                                                      Whitehat is for chumps

                                                      If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

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                                                        • BlackCrayon
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                          • 19634
                                                          #15
                                                          haha this guy again, i think we proved last time how flawed his theory was. just another guy trying to whore his wares, can't blame him really.
                                                          you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                                            • stevecore
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2003
                                                              • 6130
                                                              #16
                                                              why does someone always come on here spouting this crap... they've been saying it for years now. people will come and go; newbies and seasoned veterans alike. stop whining about it getting harder and start learning how to work smarter.

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                                                                • AmeliaG
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 10667
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by stevecore
                                                                  why does someone always come on here spouting this crap... they've been saying it for years now. people will come and go; newbies and seasoned veterans alike. stop whining about it getting harder and start learning how to work smarter.

                                                                  What stevecore said.

                                                                  --Amelia

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                                                                    • slapass
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                                      • 14625
                                                                      #18
                                                                      So far we are still expanding. Dozens of paysite programs opened up this year. The only reason we did not get more was the VISA stuff. if anything that helped make the growth more managable. So we have more sites but we also have more buyers.

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                                                                        • teenjump
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 1595
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by AmeliaG



                                                                          What stevecore said.

                                                                          --Amelia

                                                                          PS You'll do fine if you promote Spooky Cash
                                                                          Spooky girls scare the shit out of me.

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                                                                            • EscortBiz
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                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 19422
                                                                              #20
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                                                                                • Pornkings
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 5334
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Pornkings have taken over
                                                                                  Pornkings.com

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                                                                                    • SetTheWorldonFire
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                      • 7444
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      yeah and so is the drinking water industry. shit I should get all that for FREE
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                                                                                        • NetRodent
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                          • 3985
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          FYI, custom web browsers are NOT the answer.
                                                                                          "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
                                                                                          --H.L. Mencken

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                                                                                            • 69pornlinks
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                              • 5560
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              thank you for the warning.....i will leave after this post
                                                                                              It IS what it IS

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                                                                                                • AmeliaG
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                  • 10667
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by teenjump


                                                                                                  Spooky girls scare the shit out of me.

                                                                                                  They are supposed to.
                                                                                                  But they sell.
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                                                                                                    • austinth
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                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                      • 1770
                                                                                                      #26
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                                                                                                        • Phoz
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                          • 365
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Tell me about it. A year ago I made $4000 monthly by submitting TGP galleries, now it's more like $400.

                                                                                                          Traffic sucks, sponsor conversions suck, I suck.
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                                                                                                            • sweetcuties
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                              • 5859
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by D_Nell


                                                                                                              Actually I think you need be a Content Guy or Photographer to survive. You can resell that shit for years! But I do agree if you are Newb then its not something to expect a lot of money from
                                                                                                              To all the newb's... GET THE FUCK OUT! Go to school and get a degree... if anything happens with my biz, I have my BS degree to fall back on. BTW, I've been full time for 4+ yrs.

                                                                                                              D_Nell - I 100% agree with you! The surfer wants real, first time, unseen fresh girls... not that BS shit content that's seen all over.

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                                                                                                                • foulfowl
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                  • 300
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Stop? I'm making too much money with www.foulfowl.com

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                                                                                                                    • dirtysouth
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                      • 2613
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      7 year programmer with a shitload of mainstream stuff. Thanks for the warm fuzzy. I'm off to have another beer.
                                                                                                                      no sig

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                                                                                                                        • Plan9
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                          • 1801
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          As people have said before me - maybe the easy bucks are gone, but its still very possible to make a living and succeed in the industry. Its a growth market, more and more people are getting online every day, and the internet is the perfect medium for selling porn.
                                                                                                                          Please, PLEASE tell me who you are, and how you of all people know that the sky is falling?

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                                                                                                                            • bigdog
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                              • 6964
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by sweetcuties


                                                                                                                              To all the newb's... GET THE FUCK OUT! Go to school and get a degree... if anything happens with my biz, I have my BS degree to fall back on. BTW, I've been full time for 4+ yrs.

                                                                                                                              D_Nell - I 100% agree with you! The surfer wants real, first time, unseen fresh girls... not that BS shit content that's seen all over.
                                                                                                                              Well it still not really about the content.Its about how much volume you can push

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                                                                                                                                • sweetcuties
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 5859
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by bigdog


                                                                                                                                  Well it still not really about the content.Its about how much volume you can push
                                                                                                                                  That's also true... a good site is nothing without mass, converting traffic. I've bought several spots on several top tgp's and while I do have close to 1,000 affiliates, I didn't renew my advertising for this mth. Needless to say, I'm down 20%. Just like ANY business it comes down to #'s!

                                                                                                                                  I'm not a content broker but I do have several paysites. I will say, fresh content retains better

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                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Lots of people say the industry is dying because they and all their friends are getting huge ratio's. Everywhere they look they see people in the same situation.

                                                                                                                                      That doesn't neceassarily mean it's industry-wide. It just means that particular circle of webmasters (and it may be a very large one) is expierencing those bad numbers.

                                                                                                                                      Yes, the main circle seems to be going down the toilet though. Stop reading the resource site articles as if they are fact (it's far from it), and stop listening to the guys who've been around awhile but have no real talent.

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                                                                                                                                        • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 18481
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by sweetcuties
                                                                                                                                          The surfer wants real, first time, unseen fresh girls... not that BS shit content that's seen all over.
                                                                                                                                          This is true assuming the average surfer looks at a dozen TGP's per day, and each TGP posts generally the same content as the next guy. IMO neither of these are true.

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                                                                                                                                            • woodsix
                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 134
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I'll admit, my days of hottrotting it on the web are long gone. After seeing so many bubbles and so many busts, this bubble is following all the signs of so many previous ones.

                                                                                                                                              It is sort of like the market for clone PCs of the 80s, or even the search engine makers of the mid 90s, or the rush to produce cars, or whatever. In the beginning, you get people who are genuinely interested in the technology and in providing something meaningful. They take risks and are rewarded by making lots of money and establishing good reputations.

                                                                                                                                              When people see that success, they want to copy it. This is when you get all the copycats.

                                                                                                                                              Once the copycats jump in, the good days go bye bye. Why? You have a bunch of get rich quick and scam artists trying to exploit the opportunities that were there for the pioneers. They are not in it to actually provide something meaningful, their only goal is to make money. When money is your main concern, the customer becomes secondary.

                                                                                                                                              People get in the industry with no understanding that this is a software business. Successful websites use all kinds of software, such as message boards, media players, slideshows, gallery makers, instant messaging, real-time video, credit-card processors, authorization scripts, etc. It does not matter what type of website you have, you NEED top-notch software.

                                                                                                                                              These claims of so-called limitless growth are the same types of claims that are made during the height of almost any bubble. Believe me, nothing is limitless. At some point, the market will be saturated (if that is not already the case) and a HUGE shakeout will occur.

                                                                                                                                              Someone made a great point that if you produce content, such as movies or images, then it is a whole different story. That is being in the PORN industry. But, if you run a website, you have to follow the rules of running a good website.

                                                                                                                                              Most newbies just do not understand this nor have the experience to accomplish it. The days of the pioneer are over. Now is the time for the professionals.

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                                                                                                                                                • nap
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 2765
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  y do you care what newbies do? are newbies stealing what money you make from this industry? how about you make your money and keep your miss cleo readings to yourself

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                                                                                                                                                    • GrimShawn
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 8120
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      noob is almost like boob

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                                                                                                                                                        • quiet
                                                                                                                                                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 25115
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by EscortBiz
                                                                                                                                                          I sold all my sites today, bye
                                                                                                                                                          me too. let's go on vacation.
                                                                                                                                                          we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                                                                                            • FabianC
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 1616
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by woodsix


                                                                                                                                                              If you do not already have access to at least 5 years of website and programming experience, save your time and money and go do something else.
                                                                                                                                                              This isn't necessarily true .. I'm living proof

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                                                                                                                                                                • Plan9
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1801
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Most newbies just do not understand this nor have the experience to accomplish it. The days of the pioneer are over. Now is the time for the professionals. [/B]
                                                                                                                                                                  Who's to say that todays newbie won't *be* tomorrows professional? One has to start somewhere, you make newbie sound like a derogatory term.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • TheJimmy
                                                                                                                                                                      ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                      • 10747
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by GrimShawn
                                                                                                                                                                      noob is almost like boob
                                                                                                                                                                      and not to far off from a lovely doob

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                                                                                                                                                                        • woodsix
                                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 134
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          It is funny that you mention what newbies are doing. That is one point I want to make. While the professionals are delivering meaningful value to the customer, the newbies can cause a lot of harm for everyone (so can the professionals, but if they have been around awhile, it is a lot less likely).

                                                                                                                                                                          All you need is a newbie to get the idea that spamming the whole universe is a great idea to compensate for their lack of experience to give everyone a black eye. Now no one can make any kind of business proposal without hearing SPAM a hundred times.

                                                                                                                                                                          All you need is a newbie to get the idea that throwing up 100 popus on a web page is a good idea. Pop-up blockers didn't even exist 4 years ago.

                                                                                                                                                                          All you need is a newbie to get the idea that being a script kiddie can get them some easy bucks from unsuspecting visitors. Now everyone has some kind of virus scanner, port blocker, or personal firewall.

                                                                                                                                                                          All you need is a newbie to get the idea that bait-and-switch is a good idea for getting some easy money. Now no one trusts any website, except for the major ones. There was a time when a startup website got the benefit of the doubt, now you are guilty until you can prove otherwise.

                                                                                                                                                                          Professionals do not operate this way. They know this type of behavior is self-defeating and unproductive.

                                                                                                                                                                          Understand, the web is not an island or a vacuum. It is an interconnected worldwide network of computers. You can spread bad just as easily as good almost instantaneously, with or without experience.

                                                                                                                                                                          My advice, it makes no sense to encourage the inexperienced and naive to offer a porn website with promises of easy money. All it does is make it harder on everyone.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by woodsix
                                                                                                                                                                              or the mortgage refinancing bubble
                                                                                                                                                                              what is wrong with that bubble? I am refinancing my house at 1.95% . . . . sounds like a pretty good bubble to me

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                                                                                                                                                                                • brizzad
                                                                                                                                                                                  holla
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 11769
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  woodsix .. i knew that username was familiar.. you're the fuck up from last month

                                                                                                                                                                                  refer to this thread:
                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=159343

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                                                                                                      aspiring banker
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 10870
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      aaaaand weeeeeeeeeeeeee

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • nap
                                                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 2765
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          after reading http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=159343
                                                                                                                                                                                          i must say that everyone should listen to your words of wisdom


                                                                                                                                                                                          *edited, should be fixed now*
                                                                                                                                                                                          Last edited by nap; 09-16-2003, 06:04 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Ic3m4nZ
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 6285
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd like to know what woodsix is smoking

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • FlyingIguana
                                                                                                                                                                                                  aspiring banker
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 10870
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by nap
                                                                                                                                                                                                  after reading http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showt...threadid=159343
                                                                                                                                                                                                  i must say that everyone should listen to your words of wisdom
                                                                                                                                                                                                  its 404

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 69pornlinks
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 69pornlinks
                                                                                                                                                                                                      thank you for the warning.....i will leave after this post
                                                                                                                                                                                                      It IS what it IS

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