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Originally posted by JDog
This is very true! If my old company gave me a little more respect for the program's that I made them. I wouldn't have quit. But making them over 100K in profits and still having to work 6 days a week, and getting a lousy $500 bouns. Fuck that. So I quit, and got the source code!
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"And got the source code."
It's a catch 22 folks.
Remember when you were a kid talking on the phone to your girlfriend?
You hang up
no you hang up
no, you hang up first
I don't wanna hang up first, you hang up
JUST HANG THE FUCK UP TOGETHER AND GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY!Comment
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Well, didn't really get the source code, I've always had a copy at home from when I designed it at homeOriginally posted by AaronM
"And got the source code."
It's a catch 22 folks.
Remember when you were a kid talking on the phone to your girlfriend?
You hang up
no you hang up
no, you hang up first
I don't wanna hang up first, you hang up
JUST HANG THE FUCK UP TOGETHER AND GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY! So I really didn't steal, I just never deleted. And I've inproved and made it better and it has changed over 40%, so it isn't the same
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Semantics.Originally posted by JDog
Well, didn't really get the source code, I've always had a copy at home from when I designed it at home So I really didn't steal, I just never deleted. And I've inproved and made it better and it has changed over 40%, so it isn't the same
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I know, I knowOriginally posted by AaronM
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Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
Yeah and how many bosses that are making a ton of money off an employee fuck them right back and don't show shit for appreciation. Or on top of that cheer quitely to themselves when they land an employee that will do the work for half the pay. So yeah it is human nature to fuck people over. But there are ways around it
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Aaron, that's a pretty big leap to say that a log file from a main element like this board is "spying". You can't possible compare a log file of that nature to a video camera in a cubicle or reading someone's email.
It's just not even close to being the same thing.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Originally posted by Rictor
It's not just right, it's your duty.
were i used to work they had all that, in my opion it keeps productivity, theft those that clock in late on check
soi say go for it....Comment
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Somebody was caught doing something they should not have done because of a peice of software that was in place.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Aaron, that's a pretty big leap to say that a log file from a main element like this board is "spying". You can't possible compare a log file of that nature to a video camera in a cubicle or reading someone's email.
It's just not even close to being the same thing.
No?Comment
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Fuck ya...
If I hire someone..
I own him from 9 to 5... 
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I have a natural tendency to trust people that work for me.
I show them respect and expect them to do their work in return, with a reasonable amount of dedication.
Ive been burned a few times now and Im learning.
I now have monitoring software installed. Fuck trust, they dont deserve mine.
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As the Attorney General says it is ok to spy on people and collect information about them. Such information would only be used against them if it is useful.<a href="mailto:[email protected]">sales@cologroup. com</a> | 52027820 | <a href="http://www.cologroup.com">www.cologroup.com</a>Comment
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okay, but that's stretching it and you know it. The log file's main function is not spying on employees. In comparison, a video cam in a cubicle has no other function than to spy. Just because information from the log file can be used to track down certain actions when necessary does not make it a spy tool.Originally posted by AaronM
Somebody was caught doing something they should not have done because of a peice of software that was in place.
No?SIG TOO BIGComment
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I think there is a huge difference in an hourly employee and a commission based employee. An hourly wage earner is supposed to be spending the entire hour doing work to be paid. A commission based employee has a set of goals and criteria to meet in order to be paid.
It's much easier to measure the productivity of a commission based employee, they either meet their quotas or they dont.
Hourly employees are generally way less skilled and require alot more supervision.
At the end of the day I think it boils down to disclosure. Just like when you call customer service at the bank and the recording tells you the call may be monitored, if the employees are aware they may be monitored then what's the big deal?
On that note, did anyone see the news story a couple weeks ago about the mayor that hired some PIs to track city employees and found that nearly all of them were doing personal shit on company time? And worse?Comment
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I think alot of this can be solved by changing the way we think. Look chain someone somewhere for any given period of time and MAKE them be there you are basicalyl punishing them. Look at school we all hated that.. Same thing. But give them goals and base those goals around reward. Now we are talking.
Imagine if you gave an employee specific goals to accomplish each week. Telling them they have three months to prove themselves. In those first three months they have to work the normal 8 to 5. After that if they get all their work done and done properly they are only required to be in the office from 10 to 3pm each day. Other than that they are free to do as they will as long as they get all goals accomplished. Ask for more work and accomplish more in a given period of time and you are rewarded accordingly.
How productive do you think those employees will be? How much shit do you think they would give you? How much respect do you think the employer would get in this scenario?No OneComment
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The cams part...depends on what she looks like
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good points on both sides actually...
i think it ultimately comes down to the nature of the business and the position in question. Like Kimmy said, not everyone needs to be monitored. Some DO need to be monitored.
But I think if someone is going to monitor an employee, it's probably better to let them know it. The knowledge of being monitored goes a long way to deterring the kinds of things you're monitoring for. If you don't let them know, it's pretty much a crap shoot on what you'll discover. If you're looking to catch someone doing something they shouldn't be, for the purpose of getting rid of them, that's certainly one way to do it. If you're monitoring to increase productivity, then there should be no reason not to let them know they're being watched.
In general, I think it's wrong. Well, "wrong" isn't even the right word here.... it shouldn't be necessary for most businesses. You shouldn't have to monitor your people every minute of the day. If you do, there's something inherently wrong in your formula. The obvious exceptions to this would be someone like a bank teller or similar positions.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
okay, but that's stretching it and you know it. The log file's main function is not spying on employees. In comparison, a video cam in a cubicle has no other function than to spy. Just because information from the log file can be used to track down certain actions when necessary does not make it a spy tool.
Kinda like if they never actually watch the tape until they have a reason to?
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I could not agree more.Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
I think alot of this can be solved by changing the way we think. Look chain someone somewhere for any given period of time and MAKE them be there you are basicalyl punishing them. Look at school we all hated that.. Same thing. But give them goals and base those goals around reward. Now we are talking.
Imagine if you gave an employee specific goals to accomplish each week. Telling them they have three months to prove themselves. In those first three months they have to work the normal 8 to 5. After that if they get all their work done and done properly they are only required to be in the office from 10 to 3pm each day. Other than that they are free to do as they will as long as they get all goals accomplished. Ask for more work and accomplish more in a given period of time and you are rewarded accordingly.
How productive do you think those employees will be? How much shit do you think they would give you? How much respect do you think the employer would get in this scenario?
Now, with that said...You are NOT going to change the world so let's get back to the question at hand.Comment
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no, not like that at all. The log file is used for many other things. Give me one example of another purpose of the video tape.Originally posted by AaronM
Kinda like if they never actually watch the tape until they have a reason to?
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And this is because bank tellers...Who have to undergo federal background checks...Are less trustworthy than the cashier at 7-11?Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
This that and the other thing.....The obvious exceptions to this would be someone like a bank teller or similar positions.Comment
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Keep away from those clean sites we only want to see porn on the screens.Comment
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Insurance company may require it for a high risk physical area.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
no, not like that at all. The log file is used for many other things. Give me one example of another purpose of the video tape.
Most ATM's have cameras...Are they spying on me?
Video cameras at intersections to assist with traffic control. A crime is captured.....Are they spyng on the entire city?
News channel choppers with video cameras for public awareness.
Shall I go on?Comment
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not at all. But the 7-11 cashier isn't handling the enormous quantities of cash that a bank teller is. The monitoring of bank tellers isn't so much about watching the employees as it is a 24/7 watchdog for idiots with notes and guns.Originally posted by AaronM
And this is because bank tellers...Who have to undergo federal background checks...Are less trustworthy than the cashier at 7-11?
Come on Aaron.... must we do this song and dance? You know full well what I mean and what I'm talking about.SIG TOO BIGComment
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where did you get this from? I said "video cameras in cubicles".... not intersections and news choppers.Originally posted by AaronM
Insurance company may require it for a high risk physical area.
Most ATM's have cameras...Are they spying on me?
Video cameras at intersections to assist with traffic control. A crime is captured.....Are they spyng on the entire city?
News channel choppers with video cameras for public awareness.
Shall I go on?SIG TOO BIGComment
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Mine are way way too cocky, but i guess at times that could prove to be a good thingOriginally posted by KRL
Is it right to keylog their pc's, read their e-mails, listen in on their phone lines, install secret vid cams to monitor offices, etc?
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Let us not forget about Cop cars. How else would we get that kick ass footage for the high speed police chases?
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Actually...The reply that I wa responding to went something sorta like this: "Give me one example of another purpose of the video tape."Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
where did you get this from? I said "video cameras in cubicles".... not intersections and news choppers.
We can toss this ball back and forth all day but I have work to do and I am leaving for New York tomorrow morning.
It's been fun. You are a worthy adversary.Comment
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As do you and as you said...There are valid points on each side.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
Come on Aaron.... must we do this song and dance? You know full well what I mean and what I'm talking about.
You seem to be one of the only people who is man enough to admit it though.Comment
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okay... I didn't realize I needed to spell out every last word every time during the course of the conversation.... let me try again:Originally posted by AaronM
Actually...The reply that I wa responding to went something sorta like this: "Give me one example of another purpose of the video tape."
Give me one example of another purpose of the video tape from AN EMPLOYEE CUBICLE CAM, since we are talking about monitoring employees here and not video taping your vacation to Disneyland or news choppers filming the latest slow speed chase, or capturing little Johnny next to the monkey cage at the zoo, or documenting the undersea life cycle of the fucking garden eel family.SIG TOO BIGComment
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First...Show me one place where an actual cubicle cam is in place? Besides under a secretary's desk.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
okay... I didn't realize I needed to spell out every last word every time during the course of the conversation.... let me try again:
Give me one example of another purpose of the video tape from AN EMPLOYEE CUBICLE CAM, since we are talking about monitoring employees here and not video taping your vacation to Disneyland or news choppers filming the latest slow speed chase, or capturing little Johnny next to the monkey cage at the zoo, or documenting the undersea life cycle of the fucking garden eel family.
Secondly.....I gave you a very valid example. Insurance company requirements.
Now...Let's call this one a draw. Stop replying because you are distracting me and I have shit to do. If you play nice, I may even give you your ol busted shop vac back.Comment
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did I slip into the twilight zone or the wrong thread or something? I thought the discussion was "spying on employees", and I'm almost sure one of the tools being discussed was a video cam....Originally posted by AaronM
First...Show me one place where an actual cubicle cam is in place? Besides under a secretary's desk.
or am I just way off here?SIG TOO BIGComment
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in fact I was almost sure of it.... it's even in the first post here....Originally posted by KRL
(something something.... blah blah blah.... install secret vid cams to monitor offices, etc?SIG TOO BIGComment
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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
in fact I was almost sure of it.... it's even in the first post here....
Make up your fucking mind. Do you want to monitor an entire office or just one cubicle?
Monitoring an office is a general monitor but monitoring a specific cubicle is very targeted. If you know the specific cubicle to monitor then you have already found your problem. Get rid of it.
Now...Where is a link to your fucking webcam you sexy beast?Comment
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Aren't cubicles miniature individual offices?Originally posted by AaronM
Make up your fucking mind. Do you want to monitor an entire office or just one cubicle?
Monitoring an office is a general monitor but monitoring a specific cubicle is very targeted. If you know the specific cubicle to monitor then you have already found your problem. Get rid of it.
Now...Where is a link to your fucking webcam you sexy beast?SIG TOO BIGComment
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I really think some of that depends on what type of company you have.
A high security company would obviously do all of those things, such as a company with government contracts, etc.
It would even depend on the department maybe. People do tend to get lazy if they can get away with it. It's unfortunate that the majority of the work force MUST be supervised.
In general though, I can't see any reason for a normal company to monitor e-mails. That's mail. It could be considered a privacy issue. Computers are a tool for business though, bought and maintained by the company. If they use it for surfing porn, games, etc, it should be taken away and give them a word processor until they get thier shit straight.
If they have a job though that entails a lot of boredom and not much real work, and if it doesn't mess with productivity, why care?I don't have fantasies, I live them.Comment
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In our industry I think it's a good way to create animosity and distrust from your employees. It's always good to keep the lines of communication open and build a trusting relationship.Comment
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Spying is bad, monitoring is good! Big difference, you install all this shit, and get a guy to monitor, and let the staff know they are being monitored.
I don't like being monitored, that's why I work for my self. Anyone working for a big corporation should expect being either monitored, or spied onComment
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