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It's not just right, it's your duty.Comment
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As a person being spied on right now, I hate itComment
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Not right.Comment
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I'd quit if I found outComment
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If the company doesnt want the employees visiting adult sites, humor or anything else just look the logs and block the sites one by one.Comment
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Great idea.Originally posted by Jer
If the company doesnt want the employees visiting adult sites, humor or anything else just look the logs and block the sites one by one.
Remind me to NEVER hire you to consult on productivity issues.Comment
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Imagine if the guy writes an e-mail for his wife "Honey, be ready for me. Go find that ping-pong balls so we can have some fun on the bed tonight. Your Woody Hubby". This guy wouldn't be respected by his bosses.Comment
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I wouldn't do it privately. I would do it openly and tell the employees that is what I am doing. Productivity will go up for the ppl that stay, and the people that have "free spirits" or are unproductive will quit. I know when I know I am constantly being monitored I work harder then none at all.
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I had a boss who tried that. The tech he had set it up told us all.
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Thank you.Originally posted by AaronM
Great idea.
Remind me to NEVER hire you to consult on productivity issues.Comment
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If you have employ that sort of method to ensure your employees are doing their jobs then you should rethink your approach.
That's what deadlines are for...that's what management is all about. Take the time to know what they're working on, get status reports, etc.
If you want to divide your workforce and kick morale in the teeth...go big, big brother.Insert Value Here.Comment
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What employee is respected by their bosses in the first place?Originally posted by Jer
Imagine if the guy writes an e-mail for his wife "Honey, be ready for me. Go find that ping-pong balls so we can have some fun on the bed tonight. Your Woody Hubby". This guy wouldn't be respected by his bosses.Comment
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pretty common in corporate environments.Originally posted by KRL
Is it right to keylog their pc's, read their e-mails, listen in on their phone lines, install secret vid cams to monitor offices, etc?Comment
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That is the problem right there....he would be using his employers time and computers to do personal tasks. I used to be the cheif security officer for a large technology company and ANYTHING that is produced on company computers is the property of the company. This is a standard for any business.Originally posted by Jer
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So I suppose you are against these programs that track children on the internet as well?Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
If you have employ that sort of method to ensure your employees are doing their jobs then you should rethink your approach.
That's what deadlines are for...that's what management is all about. Take the time to know what they're working on, get status reports, etc.
If you want to divide your workforce and kick morale in the teeth...go big, big brother.
Forget cybernanny and all that shit...Be a parent and watch the kids yourself. No need to police them for the times that you are away.Comment
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Of course having rules world be easier: "If we find that you're visiting any site unrelated to the job, you'll be notified and if you persist you'll be fired". Heheh.Comment
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Block thousands and thousands of sites, one by one. Excellent idea.Originally posted by Jer
If the company doesnt want the employees visiting adult sites, humor or anything else just look the logs and block the sites one by one.
Overall, I think it needs to be a case by case basis. If an employee always meets deadlines, goes beyond their call of duty, and never has any problems... they deserve a little room to wiggle. If an employee is late with deadlines, sends email and instant messages all day long, and has a problem with the phone... something needs to be done.PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
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In my other life as an ISP I installed a permanent link and server at a small company. When I went in a couple of days later to fix up the CEO's netscape config, he had about 10 porn sites open. The funny thing is that I was the one that turned red, he didn't seem bothered at all.
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Ofcourse the company must have a firewall and block the sites with filters. I meant blocking the sites that the filters doesn't catchOriginally posted by Sly_RJ
Block thousands and thousands of sites, one by one. Excellent idea.
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Apples and Oranges Aaron. You don't hire kids. You don't pay your kids. You don't care how your employee's day at school was.Originally posted by AaronM
So I suppose you are against these programs that track children on the internet as well?
Forget cybernanny and all that shit...Be a parent and watch the kids yourself. No need to police them for the times that you are away.
As a father I know that when my daughter begins her foray into the online world that there will be many augmentations technology wise, to my own monitoring and interaction. I also know that you can't raise a kid by watching what they do and telling them 'Yes' you can do this and 'No' you can't do that...
At some point you have to relinquish control over your childs experience of the world around them...and net nanny can't do shit for you then bro. Only proper interaction, guidance and the focus on a problem solving and free thinking can give a child the tools to deal with the 'BAD' things in life...
Don't make blanket suppositions about my idea of parenthood.Last edited by -=HOAX=-; 09-16-2003, 11:02 AM.Insert Value Here.Comment
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First of all...I was not aware that you were a parent. I was giving an example..nothing more.Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
Apples and Oranges Aaron. You don't hire kids. You don't pay your kids. You don't care how your employee's day at school was.
As a father I know that when my daughter begins her foray into the online world that there will be many augmentations technology wise, to my own monitoring and interaction. I also know that you can't raise a kid by watching what they do and telling them 'Yes' you can do this and 'No' you can't do that...
At some point you have to relinquish control over your childs experience of the world around them...and net nanny can't do shit for you then bro. Only proper interaction, guidance and the focus on a problem solving and free thinking can give a child the tools to deal with the 'BAD' things in life...
Don't make blanket suppositions about my level of parenthood.
Responsibility is responsibility no matter how you look at it. It's all apples and you can either pick them one at a time on your own or find a more productive way to run things.
Anybody who thinks that employees are not just like children is blind to the facts. Employees are often more manipulative than any child could ever think of being. You have to watch those fuckers like a hawk or they will fuck you over and rob you blind if given half a chance.
Welcome to the real world.Comment
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Anyone who thinks that employees are just children you pay to do your bidding will hire children to do they're bidding, or create children to do their bidding.Originally posted by AaronM
First of all...I was not aware that you were a parent. I was giving an example..nothing more.
Responsibility is responsibility no matter how you look at it. It's all apples and you can either pick them one at a time on your own or find a more productive way to run things.
Anybody who thinks that employees are not just like children is blind to the facts. Employees are often more manipulative than any child could ever think of being. You have to watch those fuckers like a hawk or they will fuck you over and rob you blind if given half a chance.
Welcome to the real world.
Treat them as such and they will act as such.
That goes for building a team environment as well.Insert Value Here.Comment
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I think that results and productivity can tell you what each employes does.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Indeed. If an employer is so far removed from the work needing to get done and being done in his company that he needs to install camera, keylogs, etc...then he has no idea what his company is doing.Originally posted by wizz
I think that results and productivity can tell you what each employes does.Insert Value Here.Comment
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If the employee is on my dime, he/she forfeits privacy unless he/she is the restroom or breakroom.
I would have it as an open policy though and not as something I spring on an employee.
If the employee was commission based I wouldn't care as much as if they were an hourly or salaried employee.
Bottom line, it's my time, my dime, I have every right to monitor my employees and what they say and do.
Now, if they are home-based or when they leave the office, then I could give a damn...Comment
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Originally posted by KRL
Is it right to keylog their pc's, read their e-mails, listen in on their phone lines, install secret vid cams to monitor offices, etc?
As long as they know about it.Joe, Master Web Developer, ICQ: 280 889 133
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There is a happy medium. You are right..If you treat them like children then they will act like children but if you give them free reighn then they will also act like children.Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
Anyone who thinks that employees are just children you pay to do your bidding will hire children to do they're bidding, or create children to do their bidding.
Treat them as such and they will act as such.
That goes for building a team environment as well.
It's called structure and every team has one or they are not a team in the first place.
And for the record...Employees ARE hired to do the bidding of the employer. Too bad more employers don't show their employees a little respect. All these companies bitch about employee dedication but then they piss on their employees. WTF is that all about? If you respect people, they will be more apt to respect you in return.
I am referring to the average corporate company here...and the average company treats their employees like shit.Comment
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I know a lot of bar owners who have cameras installed over their tills. Their bar tenders make good wages and tips, yet they still rip people off.Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
Indeed. If an employer is so far removed from the work needing to get done and being done in his company that he needs to install camera, keylogs, etc...then he has no idea what his company is doing.
It's human nature to fuck people over...We are a greedy breed.Comment
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yep... I'm 100% with Hoax on this one. (as usual)Originally posted by -=HOAX=-
If you have employ that sort of method to ensure your employees are doing their jobs then you should rethink your approach.
That's what deadlines are for...that's what management is all about. Take the time to know what they're working on, get status reports, etc.
If you want to divide your workforce and kick morale in the teeth...go big, big brother.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Originally posted by KRL
Is it right to keylog their pc's, read their e-mails, listen in on their phone lines, install secret vid cams to monitor offices, etc?
If you have to keep that close of an eye on your employees then you should fire him and get a new one. Cause for some reason he is already raising the issue that you feel you need to watch them.No OneComment
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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
If the employee is on my dime, he/she forfeits privacy unless he/she is the restroom or breakroom.
I would have it as an open policy though and not as something I spring on an employee.
If the employee was commission based I wouldn't care as much as if they were an hourly or salaried employee.
Bottom line, it's my time, my dime, I have every right to monitor my employees and what they say and do.
Now, if they are home-based or when they leave the office, then I could give a damn...
Well said. Keep in mind that the companies who are taking these measures are doing so for a reason. Chances are that they were fucked inthe past and are being proactive to ensure that it does not happen again.Comment
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If you have to "spy" on your employees.. then maybe you have the wrong people working for you.Comment
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Yeah and how many bosses that are making a ton of money off an employee fuck them right back and don't show shit for appreciation. Or on top of that cheer quitely to themselves when they land an employee that will do the work for half the pay. So yeah it is human nature to fuck people over. But there are ways around itOriginally posted by AaronM
I know a lot of bar owners who have cameras installed over their tills. Their bar tenders make good wages and tips, yet they still rip people off.
It's human nature to fuck people over...We are a greedy breed.No OneComment
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True...but what about the times when you can not tell which employees are doing this?Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
If you have to keep that close of an eye on your employees then you should fire him and get a new one. Cause for some reason he is already raising the issue that you feel you need to watch them.Comment
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And how exactly do you begin to trust a new one?Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
If you have to keep that close of an eye on your employees then you should fire him and get a new one. Cause for some reason he is already raising the issue that you feel you need to watch them.
About a year ago someone I had working with me had earned my trust, was working with me for about 6 months. He turned around and ripped me for over $1.5k. Lovely. Fucking lovely.PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price!
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Originally posted by AaronM
True...but what about the times when you can not tell which employees are doing this?
There is always a way to tell.
Now as far as your comment about respect. I know someone that works over at Pixar. Because Finding Nemo did so well in the box office this person got a half years salary as a bonus. You think that person is ever going to fuck that company over? I don't think so. Money makes the world go round. Show an employee what they are worth and give them bonuses for completely projects, and you will find loyalty. A person doesn't have to be commissioned to earn bonuses and these bonuses can make more productive and loyal employee's.No OneComment
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Originally posted by juicylinks
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HAHA! That's good! I just do that in my house and I get the content!
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Several...but not in the specific cases that I am referring to.Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
Yeah and how many bosses that are making a ton of money off an employee fuck them right back and don't show shit for appreciation. Or on top of that cheer quitely to themselves when they land an employee that will do the work for half the pay. So yeah it is human nature to fuck people over. But there are ways around it
I see that the Adult.com "team" has taken a decided interest in sticking together in this thread. I am not about to spill anybodies dirty laundry here but you all know that even your happy team has had it's share of internal issues.
What's my point?
Nobody is perfect and as an employer, you want and need your business to be as perfect as it possibly can...Even if that means resorting to monitoring the activities of your employees.
Allow me to present you with an example...I recall when a certain mod of GFY deleted one of my threads. That mod was later outed for doing so. How did Lensman know which person deleted the thread? The log files...Which are nothing more than a way to track who is doing what. This happened in your own office. These are cold, hard facts.
Prove me wrong.Comment
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This is very true.Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
There is always a way to tell.
Now as far as your comment about respect. I know someone that works over at Pixar. Because Finding Nemo did so well in the box office this person got a half years salary as a bonus. You think that person is ever going to fuck that company over? I don't think so. Money makes the world go round. Show an employee what they are worth and give them bonuses for completely projects, and you will find loyalty. A person doesn't have to be commissioned to earn bonuses and these bonuses can make more productive and loyal employee's.
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Agreed.Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
There is always a way to tell.
Now as far as your comment about respect. I know someone that works over at Pixar. Because Finding Nemo did so well in the box office this person got a half years salary as a bonus. You think that person is ever going to fuck that company over? I don't think so. Money makes the world go round. Show an employee what they are worth and give them bonuses for completely projects, and you will find loyalty. A person doesn't have to be commissioned to earn bonuses and these bonuses can make more productive and loyal employee's.
Ah...but if this were just a perfect world.Comment
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Always good to be close buds with the corporate techies.Originally posted by Peaches
I had a boss who tried that. The tech he had set it up told us all.
They know everything.
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When I was in high school I worked at a department store in the men's department. Everybody was cheating, either stealing clothes when they left work at night, not ringing up all the items when friends would come in to shop, shorting the register, and on and on.
The funniest part of all was the store's security people ended up being the biggest thieves working there. They caught them on video cams taking stuff out of the shipping containers as they arrived into the loading dock. So the people entrusted to watch other employee theft were themselves stealing more goods than anyone.
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You are a boss. That is your choice how you run your business.Originally posted by AaronM
Agreed.
Ah...but if this were just a perfect world.
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Way to avoid my direct question and focus on non facts.Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
You are a boss. That is your choice how you run your business.
I have ZERO employees. Your company has a handfull and in at least one way is doing the very thing that 3 of you are bitching about.
Funny how the speed of this thread slowed when you were put on the spot.Comment
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This is very true! If my old company gave me a little more respect for the program's that I made them. I wouldn't have quit. But making them over 100K in profits and still having to work 6 days a week, and getting a lousy $500 bouns. Fuck that. So I quit, and got the source code!Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
There is always a way to tell.
Now as far as your comment about respect. I know someone that works over at Pixar. Because Finding Nemo did so well in the box office this person got a half years salary as a bonus. You think that person is ever going to fuck that company over? I don't think so. Money makes the world go round. Show an employee what they are worth and give them bonuses for completely projects, and you will find loyalty. A person doesn't have to be commissioned to earn bonuses and these bonuses can make more productive and loyal employee's.
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