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  • Deepundercover
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    • Apr 2003
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    Crackdown on Pornography Is Being Launched by Bush

    Indictments Are Expected To Be Handed Up Within Months ENDING AN ?EIGHT-YEAR STRETCH OF NONENFORCEMENT?

    By LUIZA CHWIALKOWSKA Staff Reporter of the New York Sun

    From www.nysun.com (free registration)

    WASHINGTON ? The Bush administration is launching a ?historical? crackdown on makers and distributors of material deemed to be obscene, after nearly a decade without prosecutions under federal obscenity laws, senior officials say.
    At least 49 makers and distributors of pornography are under investigation, and indictments are expected over the next few months.
    The Justice Department is ?going back? to enforcing federal obscenity laws that were largely ignored under the Clinton administration, the deputy assistant attorney general for the criminal division, John Malcolm, told The New York Sun in an interview.
    ?The lack of federal enforcement over the previous eight years sent a message to those who produce and distribute this material that they would get a free pass and enabled this to proliferate,? Mr. Malcolm said.
    ?Absolutely we are doing more,? Mr. Malcolm said. ?More charges will be brought in the future.? Over the past year, there have been 19 federal obscenity-related convictions, and indictments have been brought in eight more, he said.
    The FBI, U.S. Customs, and Postal Service agents involved in the effort appear particularly interested in bestiality, sexual violence, and unusual uses of human waste.
    In the first major federal prosecution in years, the owners of Extreme Associates, a California-based company accused of distributing videos portraying rape and murder,pleaded not guilty in Pennsylvania to 10 counts relating to the production and distribution by mail of obscene materials. Rob Zicari and Janet Romano could face 50 years in prison and a fine of up to $2.5 million if a Pittsburgh jury finds the material obscene.
    In another case, four defendants pleaded guilty in U.S. district court in Beckley, W.Va., August 25 to one count each of conspiracy to mail and distribute obscene material over the Internet. They sold videos and DVDs that mingled sex and excretion.
    Officials say their interest in sexually explicit material is wide-ranging.
    ?There is no particular behavior that is off the table,? Mr. Malcolm said.
    In a letter to conservative groups, a senior Justice Department official attempted to assure the impatient groups that, contrary to accusations, the antiobscenity efforts are ?far from failing.?
    ?After an enervating eight-year stretch of nonenforcement during the previous administration, the Department once again considered obscenity enforcement to be an important priority and is once against vigorously enforcing federal obscenity laws,? the head of the child exploitation and obscenity section, Andrew Oosterbaan, wrote in an August 7 letter obtained by the Sun.
    Producers of material considered more ?mainstream? are not immune.
    ?One current case involves the owners of approximately 100 adult stores located in a number of states that pander ?mainstream? videos,? Mr. Oosterbaan?s letter states. ?Another target is one of the largest producers of sexually explicit videos in the world.?
    The renewed effort comes at a time when the administration is already squaring off against free speech advocates in litigation over campaign finance laws, but not soon enough for anti-pornography groups who have criticized Attorney General Ashhahahahaha for ignoring pornography.
    The letter states that the department is making ?tremendous and historical progress? in combating ?the scourge of obscenity.?
    The Justice Department is planning its second Obscenity Training Seminar next month to teach U.S. attorneys across the country how to go after offenders. A High Tech Investigative Unit staffed with ?computer forensic experts? is being staffed to investigate offensive content on the Internet.
    ?There have been technological advances that have allowed this material to explode into every household,? Mr. Malcolm said. ?We think this is wrong and worthy of federal resources to combat it.?
    But anti-pornography groups want not only more indictments ? they want the effort to be high-profile. Last week, leaders of more than 100 groups wrote to President Bush asking him to issue a presidential proclamation on Pornography Awareness Week, October 26 to November 1.
    ?As the Governor of Texas, he issued proclamations, but since he has become president this is an issue he hasn?t really addressed once,? said the president of Morality in Media, Robert W. Peters, who organized the letter.
    ?We?re well aware that President Bush has many concerns, but the bottom line is that the president?s bully pulpit is a very powerful one,? he said.
    Mr. Peters said the administration has assured him more indictments are coming. ?That?s what they?ve told us, off the record and on the record, that there are several prosecutions under way that will expectedly result in prosecutions,? he said
    The appointment of Mr. Ashhahahahaha, a lay minister and social conservative, raised high hopes among the groups, but they were dashed over the past two years as obscenity was pushed off the table by terrorism.
    ?The pace of change has not pleased anybody on our side of the issues,? Mr. Peters said.
    A Santa Monica, Calif., criminal-defense attorney, Jeffrey Douglas, who is representing a Web site under prosecution under federal obscenity law, says obscenity prosecutions are politically motivated.
    ?There is no better way to excite fundamentalist groups than by attacking pornography. It presents a great opportunity with a great payoff for the administration,? said Mr. Douglas, chairman of the board of the Free Speech Coalition, the pornography industry?s trade association, and former president of First Amendment Lawyers Association.
    But he said he doubts that convictions will be easy to get.
    ?Prosecuting anything involving the Internet is extremely challenging,? he said. Prosecutors must prove that the material in question offends contemporary community standards. Courts have been unclear on how to define the community standard that applies in cyberspace. Part of that standard depends on what else is available in the community, said Mr. Douglas.
    ?What distinguishes the Internet is that everything is available on the Internet,? Mr. Douglas said.
    ?Without question this is the most complicated, technical and abstract crime.You find out you?ve committed a crime only after a jury tells you so,? said a First-Amendment lawyer in Silver Spring, Md. Jonathan Katz.
    The jury has to find that the material appeals to an unhealthy or morbid interest in sex, based on contemporary community standards, based on not what an individual juror believes ? but what he or she believes the community standard to be.
    But Mr. Malcolm said the law demands that a distributor must comply with the community standard in any community across the country where they sell or market their material.
    Citing spam and misleading Web site names, he said, ?This is being thrust onto people in the sanctity of their private homes.?
    But Mr. Katz retorts that the material would not enter some communities, if not for undercover postal inspectors ordering it, as in the case of Extreme Associates. ?They wrote to the company, got the materials, and expressed shock!? he said.
  • Dirty F
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    • Jul 2001
    • 59204

    #2
    Porn is bad!

    Go Bush!

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    • juicylinks
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      • Apr 2001
      • 122992

      #3
      Greatttt

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      • Mr.Fiction
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        • Feb 2002
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        #4
        A vote for Bush is a vote against the U.S. Constitution.

        Jerry Falwell 2004!
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        • jscott
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          • Feb 2001
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          #5
          bush just lost my vote then
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          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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            • Mar 2003
            • 30307

            #6
            Bush is a War Criminal.

            Bush needs to be relieved of his Presidential duties and handed over to the United Nations as a War Criminal for violating the Geneva Convention.

            It would be good for America.
            It would be good for the world.

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            • SleazyDream
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              • Jul 2001
              • 41470

              #7
              Originally posted by jscott
              bush just lost my vote then
              are you saying you voted FOR him?
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              • teenjump
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jul 2003
                • 1595

                #8
                I don't know who the fuck was dumb enough to vote for that shit to begin with.

                Canadians stick to what works. An old Frenchie with a twisted mouth. Booya.

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                • tony299
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                  • Aug 2002
                  • 57021

                  #9
                  If they play fair its going to be hard to get convictions, how are they going to talk about community standards when most communities have HBO and on HBO saturday night the new real sex was on. It was about a amatuer porn film festival. So you saw people fucking girls bent over and lots of lips and pink. With this on TV how can say a main stream porn site is algainst comminuty standards. When this a communtiy that watches real sex on HBO.

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                  • crockett
                    in a van by the river
                    • May 2003
                    • 76818

                    #10
                    Well I hope to hell Gen Clark anounces he is running.. I honestly havn't looked into his platform .... but hell he can't be worse that Bush... and I think he is the only one with a chance to win aginst Bush... it's so freeking sad that the general public in the US dosn't give a fuck about what is happening to this country.
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                    • DarkBob
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                      • Jun 2001
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jscott
                      bush just lost my vote then
                      bush should have never had your vote in the first place
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                      • skrowyenom
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 489

                        #12
                        Bush should go watch some cowboy movies.... "Te'zi cavboie bush" .... Like his daddie

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                        • Strife
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                          • Aug 2001
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                          #13
                          Too much to read...what's the cole's notes version
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                          • chuk
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                            • Mar 2003
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                            #14
                            Well that's just fucked.

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                            • marsgur
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                              • Nov 2002
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                              #15
                              BUCK FUSH

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                              • freeadultcontent
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 9976

                                #16
                                Any other news sources if so link please, nothing in google news.

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                                • Manga1
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                                  • Oct 2001
                                  • 952

                                  #17
                                  Where are all the pro-Bush imbeciles now? Losers.

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                                  • lakeview
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                                    • Sep 2003
                                    • 247

                                    #18
                                    is there a list of what exactly is considered "obscene" under the federal osbcenity laws?

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                                    • The Click
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                                      • Apr 2003
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                                      #19
                                      Oh Canada...we stand....


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                                      • cash69
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 1052

                                        #20
                                        that sure won't help him be re elected.. everyone <3's porn

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                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                          • Oct 2002
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by lakeview
                                          is there a list of what exactly is considered "obscene" under the federal osbcenity laws?
                                          You find out you?ve committed a crime only after a jury tells you so.

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                                          • spamofon
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                                            • Jun 2003
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                                            #22
                                            hahahahah !

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                                            • Spunky
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                                              • Jun 2002
                                              • 133978

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by lakeview
                                              is there a list of what exactly is considered "obscene" under the federal osbcenity laws?
                                              Rape..basically,probably beastiality as well as the risque niches

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                                              • Imageauction
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                                                • Dec 2002
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                                                #24
                                                If anybody else knows any other articles about Bush or Ashhahahahahas crackdown on porn please post the links here. I'm trying to collect them for a little website we're launching.
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                                                • Greg B
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                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                  • 7014

                                                  #25
                                                  Yeah well, I can see if the stuff is really gross out evil shit, but how can they spend their time perusing porn and at the same time let tens of thousands of illegal immigrants enter the country, millions of pounds of dope go unseen?

                                                  Shows you where their attention is at.

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                                                  • freeadultcontent
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                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                    #26
                                                    Gross shit should be legal, dope should be legal, and immigration should be legal.

                                                    The first admendment was written to protect the most vile, and unpopular speach/art. It is there to tell the majority to shut the fuck up and ignore it if it bothers them.

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                                                    • NBDesign
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                                                      #27
                                                      So who here got hit?

                                                      Anyone from here get a letter from Bu$h?

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                                                      • freeadultcontent
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by NBDesign
                                                        So who here got hit?

                                                        Anyone from here get a letter from Bu$h?
                                                        Its ussually a boot through the door and a blue letter if your keeping track.

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                                                        • tony299
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                                                          • Aug 2002
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                                                          Gross shit should be legal, dope should be legal, and immigration should be legal.

                                                          The first admendment was written to protect the most vile, and unpopular speach/art. It is there to tell the majority to shut the fuck up and ignore it if it bothers them.

                                                          That argument works when someone had to walk in to a store or go into a movie theatre to see it and buy it. When now graphic pics show up in your email everyday whether you asked for it or not and I might add these are American companies these pics come from not some european site . Also god forbid you type a mainstream url wrong and then you get hit with graphic pop up after graphic pop up. You want to use that argument ,then our industry has to clean their act up. Will some people make less money yes but they really have to think of the other option not making any.
                                                          Last edited by tony286; 09-15-2003, 08:19 PM.

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                                                          • NBDesign
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                                            Its ussually a boot through the door and a blue letter if your keeping track.
                                                            Ok... anyone here get a boot through the door and a blue letter?

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                                                            • freeadultcontent
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by tony404



                                                              That argument works when someone had to walk in to a store or go into a movie theatre to see it and buy it. When now graphic pics show up in your email everyday whether you asked for it or not and I might add these are American companies these pics come from not some european site . Also god forbid you type a mainstream url wrong and then you get hit with graphic pop up after graphic pop up. You want to use that argument ,then our industry has to clean their act up. Will some people make less money yes but they really have to think of the other option not making any.
                                                              Spam = seperate issue and laws, no correllation to this issue.

                                                              And yes type in a wrong name get porn oh well, download a blocker. If it wasnt for porn we would still all have green monitors and be typing with ascii codes.

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                                                              • freeadultcontent
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                                                                • Oct 2002
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by NBDesign


                                                                Ok... anyone here get a boot through the door and a blue letter?
                                                                Umm they couldnt respond, that letter says we take all your shit, you may get it back someday after we finacially ruin you. i.e. no computer.

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                                                                • Rictor
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                                                                  • Jan 2001
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Each generation will be a little less conservative, but it's going to be a long wait until the United States catches up with most of the rest of the world in its views on sex and sexuality.

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                                                                  • FlyingIguana
                                                                    aspiring banker
                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                    • 10870

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by jscott
                                                                    bush just lost my vote then
                                                                    please tell me you didn't vote for him?

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                                                                    • freeadultcontent
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                                                                      • Oct 2002
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Rictor
                                                                      Each generation will be a little less conservative, but it's going to be a long wait until the United States catches up with most of the rest of the world in its views on sex and sexuality.
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                                                                      • tony299
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                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                        • 57021

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                                                        Spam = seperate issue and laws, no correllation to this issue.

                                                                        Excuse me graphic pics of some chick with her pussy spread open in John Q Publics email or worse his kids email is porn in a persons face whether they want it or not. The avg surfer doesnt know to download a blocker and thier lack of knowledge was exploited. Instead of regulating ourselves now the government will do it for us and our industry has given them logs to fuel the fire.

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                                                                        • tonkagunner
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                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                          • 830

                                                                          #37
                                                                          It sucks that George wants to stop pornography. When he was running for president a while ago, he gave a great answer on censorship. When asked about what his views were on censorship on tv, he said "if you don't like what you see, turn off the tv."

                                                                          It is a pitty that he doesn't seem to have this view about porn.
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                                                                          • playa
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                                                                            • Feb 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            according to attorney general

                                                                            Interracial sex and Gangbangs are to extreme

                                                                            all those bukkake sites need to keep their guards up

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                                                                            • tony299
                                                                              lurker
                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                              • 57021

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Want to find out what are no no's here it is : This was from a article in Village Voice

                                                                              Four of the biggest players?VCA Pictures, Vivid Video, Hustler, and Video Team?recently met with their lawyer, Paul Cambria, to discuss strategies. One unidentified company drew up a working list with Cambria of "Box Cover and Movie Production Guidelines." I like to think of them as the New No-No's. The list was subsequently leaked and appeared on a porn-gossip Web site in late January and then on the Adult Video News Web site (www.avn.com). Here, in the italics below, is the list, followed by my blow-by-blow commentary.

                                                                              No shots with the appearance of pain or degradation. No blindfolds. No wax dripping. No bondage or bondage-type toys or gear unless very light. No forced sex, rape themes, etc. No degrading dialogue, e.g., "Suck this cock, bitch," while slapping her face with a penis.

                                                                              Thanks for the example, guys. These don't come as any big surprise, since, even when it is a consensual fantasy, bondage and other s/m combined with sex are considered potentially offensive. That's why, to stay on the shelves, most s/m videos have already done away with such cover images. But who wants to see someone whipped and degraded without then being fucked into oblivion?

                                                                              No facials?body shots OK if shot is not nasty. No bukkake. No spitting or saliva mouth to mouth. No girls sharing same dildo in mouth or pussy. Toys are OK if shot is not nasty. No peeing unless in a natural setting, e.g., field, roadside. No squirting.

                                                                              First of all, if the shot is not nasty, I don't want it. So now they want to limit the representation of bodily fluids. Since many women, including porn stars like Dasha, Alisha Klass, Ava Vincent, and plenty of others, ejaculate when they orgasm, is there the implication that these women are now not allowed to come on camera? That's one of the perks of the job, stupid!

                                                                              No food used as sex object. No coffins. No mentration [sic] topics. No incest topics.

                                                                              My condolences to necrophiliacs, vampires, and Barbi twins fans everywhere.

                                                                              No two dicks in/near one mouth. (Notice that double penetration of a pussy or ass is still OK.) No shot of stretching pussy. (Luckily, Extreme Associates' Planet of the Gapes is safe?they only show gaping assholes.) No fisting. No hands from two different people fingering same girl. Just when I was hoping that things would loosen up when it comes to sticking all five of your digits inside a girl's pussy?a depiction that has been taboo in videos for far too long?we're back to square one.

                                                                              And here come my favorites: No male/male penetration. No transexuals [sic]. No bi sex. No black men with white women themes. What kind of blatant homophobia, transphobia, and racism is this bullshit? So white men can fuck black women, but black men can't fuck white women? Whispered in a closed boardroom meeting, I'd definitely believe it, but who would put such a thing in print?

                                                                              Remember, these activities aren't against the law to depict, but they may be considered obscene according to certain community standards. And this isn't Ashhahahahaha's list?I shudder to think what might be on that. (Can you say, "No penetration whatsoever"?) Self-censoring themselves, the porn masters are anticipating what might get them into trouble during the Bush years, and will be shooting and packaging accordingly. Will there be antiporn witch-hunts, prosecution, and legislation? You can bet on it. Do you think all the faith-based organizations funded by Bush's new federal program are gonna be opening up soup kitchens? Some of them are going to go after sex in the name of religious morality. Like Boy Scouts, these pornographers want to be prepared. They are some of the largest, richest enterprises, with the most to lose if they are prosecuted.

                                                                              But some industry insiders smell a rat. The big studios are already pretty squeaky-clean, especially since much of their revenue depends on softcore versions of their films being sold to adult-cable channels. These so-called new standards may be a way to further distance themselves from the more radical, independent (and less well-funded) "little guys" who push the limits in porn with extreme, outrageous, and yes, potentially offensive material. (Does the title Ass to Mouth mean anything to you?) But good pornographer versus bad pornographer is a dangerous direction to go. In the end, they are all vulnerable to the sex-hating, censorship-loving right wing.

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                                                                              • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                • Oct 2002
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by tony404


                                                                                Excuse me graphic pics of some chick with her pussy spread open in John Q Publics email or worse his kids email is porn in a persons face whether they want it or not. The avg surfer doesnt know to download a blocker and thier lack of knowledge was exploited. Instead of regulating ourselves now the government will do it for us and our industry has given them logs to fuel the fire.
                                                                                I hate spam and everything it does. What I was saying is that spam and obscenity prosecutions are not related.

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                                                                                • tony299
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                                                                                  • Aug 2002
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  I could of did without the writers comments but that was the first thing I found with the cambria list in it .

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                                                                                  • scoreman
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                                                                                    • Nov 2001
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by freeadultcontent


                                                                                    Spam = seperate issue and laws, no correllation to this issue.

                                                                                    And yes type in a wrong name get porn oh well, download a blocker. If it wasnt for porn we would still all have green monitors and be typing with ascii codes.
                                                                                    I disagree with you completely. The use of explicit adult content in non true opt in emails is a huge contributing factor to the government's willingness to prosecute. It all comes down to at what point people who are not looking for porn will tolerate it being thrust in their faces. The building up to the point that the camel's back breaks certainly has come from the increased use of explicit emails.

                                                                                    Same goes for redirects and other domain name games. All of these tactics make money sure, but they also piss off lots of folks, some of whom are decision makers in what policy the DOJ will take. The adult market has certainly driven alot of innovation, but to argue the point that the adult market should not be responsible for self policing their conduct smacks of arrogance and short sightedness.

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                                                                                    • DarkBob
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by tonkagunner
                                                                                      It sucks that George wants to stop pornography. When he was running for president a while ago, he gave a great answer on censorship. When asked about what his views were on censorship on tv, he said "if you don't like what you see, turn off the tv."

                                                                                      It is a pitty that he doesn't seem to have this view about porn.
                                                                                      I'm pretty sure it was Bush that said "there's no place for pornography in a decent society".

                                                                                      And I know for a fact it was bush that said "there ought to be limits to freedom", when asked about an anti bush website someone started during his campaign.
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                                                                                      • DarkBob
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Bush's aggressive tactics aren't surprising to pornographers. On the campaign trail they heard Bush say, "porn has no place in a decent society," and he vowed to vigorously enforce porn laws.

                                                                                        taken from here

                                                                                        These attacks resulted in a major international news story, which was then magnified by Bush's televised response to a reporter's question about the site: "There ought to be limits to freedom," Bush said--an ominous gaffe that many still remember.

                                                                                        taken from here
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                                                                                        • freeadultcontent
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by scoreman


                                                                                          I disagree with you completely. The use of explicit adult content in non true opt in emails is a huge contributing factor to the government's willingness to prosecute. It all comes down to at what point people who are not looking for porn will tolerate it being thrust in their faces. The building up to the point that the camel's back breaks certainly has come from the increased use of explicit emails.

                                                                                          Same goes for redirects and other domain name games. All of these tactics make money sure, but they also piss off lots of folks, some of whom are decision makers in what policy the DOJ will take. The adult market has certainly driven alot of innovation, but to argue the point that the adult market should not be responsible for self policing their conduct smacks of arrogance and short sightedness.
                                                                                          Im just arguing I think we should have self policed (never gunna happen), and I think people went to far (will go further) and I think spam sucks (gunna get 200 more by morning), and I think people who target common used words or sites for porn are scum (so now they redirect with spyware). Well what I am saying is I like to argue. I agree people done fucked up. I also think obscenity is stupid.

                                                                                          Oh yeah and if someone can not install a porn blocker then well too bad. The internet is not some american right. It is a tool you pay to use. If morons can not install safeguards then well they do not deserve to use it. Cant they just stay on AOL?

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                                                                                          • DarkBob
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                                                                                            • Jun 2001
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            One more thing to keep in mind, here is a quote from U.S. District Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan, the prosecutor in the Extreme Associates case. I believe she said this on Good Morning America:

                                                                                            "It is conceivable that even Playboy could be considered obscene in some parts of the country."

                                                                                            At first it seems insane that the government would go after something as tame as Playboy, then you remember this:

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                                                                                            • Joe Average
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                                                                                              • Jul 2003
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by freeadultcontent
                                                                                              Gross shit should be legal, dope should be legal, and immigration should be legal.

                                                                                              The first admendment was written to protect the most vile, and unpopular speach/art. It is there to tell the majority to shut the fuck up and ignore it if it bothers them.
                                                                                              Fuck yes.
                                                                                              I used to get high on life but then I built up a tolerance.

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                                                                                              • Honeyslut
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                                                                                                • Jan 2001
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by lakeview
                                                                                                is there a list of what exactly is considered "obscene" under the federal osbcenity laws?
                                                                                                Gee

                                                                                                I hope he does not think balloon fetish is obscene


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                                                                                                • scoreman
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                                                                                                  • Nov 2001
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  The Federal prosecutors in these obscenity prosecutions will not take borderline cases like Playboy. Not a chance. They get to choose their cases, choose the forum, have virtually unlimited funds, and have much better pro-prosecution rules of discovery than at the state level prosecutions. The ball is completely in their court, which is why losing is so unacceptable. You will not see any close call cases, the feds will seek to put down material that even to folks here on this board would look at and go "ewwww".

                                                                                                  The feds are counting on the chill factor after their wins. Put down a few mangy dogs and the rest of the pack will heel is their thinking.
                                                                                                  Last edited by scoreman; 09-15-2003, 09:42 PM.

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                                                                                                  • Honeyslut
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by DarkBob
                                                                                                    One more thing to keep in mind, here is a quote from U.S. District Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan, the prosecutor in the Extreme Associates case. I believe she said this on Good Morning America:

                                                                                                    "It is conceivable that even Playboy could be considered obscene in some parts of the country."

                                                                                                    At first it seems insane that the government would go after something as tame as Playboy, then you remember this:

                                                                                                    Spirit Of Justice

                                                                                                    I better wait on selling my Lady Death and other girlie comics online..


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