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  • DatingGold
    $6 PER EMAIL JOiN
    • Feb 2003
    • 13185

    #1

    VISA and MASTERCARD Regulations

    OK here is some more info on the regulations. These are for the international divisions.




    Global Merchant Chargeback Monitoring Program

    This program affects all merchants and, where the defined parameters are breached, may result in fines of $100 per chargeback:

    ?Merchant chargebacks (non-UK issued cards) exceed 100 per month

    AND

    ?Merchant chargebacks (non-UK issued cards) exceed 2.5% of transaction volume per month

    Minimum fine $10,000

    Visa International - $100 per chargeback for the month in which the rules were breached.


    Mastercard

    Under this program, MasterCard may impose fines per chargeback where the following levels have been breached for two consecutive months (referred to as months 1 & 2):

    ?A minimum of 15 chargebacks has been processed in the month.

    AND

    ?The merchant chargeback value ratio for the month is 2.5% or greater of total transaction value.

    OR

    ?The merchant chargeback volume ratio [number of chargebacks to number of total sales ratio] is 1% or greater.

    The fines will be calculated on a tiered basis, as follows:

    -$25 per chargeback in months 3-5 (plus $25,000 per month)
    -$50 per chargeback in months 6-7 (plus $50,000 per month)
    -$75 per chargeback in months 8-9 (plus $75,000 per month)
    -$100 per chargeback in months 10 or beyond [plus $100,000 per month]

    Handling of credits

    Mastercard will consider a credit as a chargeback if Mastercard believes, in its sole discretion, that the member generated the credit to avoid applicability of the new rules, such as for any of the following situations:

    ?As substitutes for chargebacks
    ?When merchants fail to control backroom operation processes
    ?When credits are equal to or greater than chargeback rates
    ?By way of a check to resolve fraud or customer service issues.
    Last edited by DatingGold; 09-10-2003, 11:50 AM.
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  • DatingGold
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    • Feb 2003
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    #2
    no one cares??

    "Mastercard will consider a credit as a chargeback if Mastercard believes, in its sole discretion, that the member generated the credit to avoid applicability of the new rules, such as for any of the following situations:

    ?As substitutes for chargebacks
    ?When merchants fail to control backroom operation processes
    ?When credits are equal to or greater than chargeback rates
    ?By way of a check to resolve fraud or customer service issues."

    So if you try to resolve a customer service problem by just crediting the customer Mastercard could fine you.
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    • Probono
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      • Oct 2002
      • 2731

      #3
      A great summary. I would like to see they same summary on the US regulations which are even tighter.

      I don't not think most of the folks here realize this will effect them because most of them do not have their own pay sites or perhaps think their IPSP will protect them.

      These new rules will cause some fallout in the next few months.

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      • Epoch
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2002
        • 193

        #4
        You forgot to mention the fact that once you enter the chargeback program MC can continue to fine you for a 12 month period regardless of your chargeback ratio.

        Clay
        EPOCH

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        • directfiesta
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Oct 2002
          • 30226

          #5
          Seems like nobody can read here... and you don't even have to read between the lines:

          Minimum fine $10,000
          But everything is "fine" ( ... lol ) in our business....

          I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

          But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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          • wizz
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2003
            • 634

            #6
            Of course some things must change to adapt to the new rules.

            There are ways to go to be compliant
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            • DatingGold
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              • Feb 2003
              • 13185

              #7
              Originally posted by Epoch
              You forgot to mention the fact that once you enter the chargeback program MC can continue to fine you for a 12 month period regardless of your chargeback ratio.

              Clay
              EPOCH
              Yep, all fucked up. I did hear that they have never actually imposed a fine against a merchant who was just a couple % over.
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              • Aaz
                Registered User
                • Sep 2003
                • 11

                #8
                Interesting, what payment system will we use when CC's will become unusable for adult due to their rules

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                • Carrie
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2002
                  • 3162

                  #9
                  So much for everyone preaching "we're not based in the US, we use Visa International, so no worries, mate!"

                  When do these regulations take effect?

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                  • tony299
                    lurker
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 57021

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Aaz
                    Interesting, what payment system will we use when CC's will become unusable for adult due to their rules

                    Checks ,they will have to get the scrubbing better. If they have a credit card they have a check book.

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                    • Jizar II
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2001
                      • 1425

                      #11
                      Originally posted by wizz
                      Of course some things must change to adapt to the new rules.

                      There are ways to go to be compliant
                      List your ideas please

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                      • Kimmykim
                        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                        • Jun 2001
                        • 16015

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DatingGold


                        Yep, all fucked up. I did hear that they have never actually imposed a fine against a merchant who was just a couple % over.
                        That is wrong.

                        As is your Visa Intl number, it drops to 2% overall in January, it will not be 2.5%.

                        MC also reserves the right to disallow rebills after two months out of compliance.

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                        • Jay_StandAhead
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 3103

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Kimmykim

                          MC also reserves the right to disallow rebills after two months out of compliance.
                          that could fuck a lot of people's business

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                          • Furious_Female
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                            • Oct 2002
                            • 8187

                            #14
                            Does anyone have any stats on previous and current chargebacks ratios for sites with trials/monthly/rebills etc. ?

                            Perhaps a lot of companies already stay under their percentage? I'd be interested in knowing how secure we should feel.

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                            • Jizar II
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                              • May 2001
                              • 1425

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kimmykim
                              MC also reserves the right to disallow rebills after two months out of compliance.
                              Bastards!

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                              • NETbilling
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 8599

                                #16
                                Hi,

                                As the rules tighten up, so must the billing techniques. IMO, getting rid of Free trials and in some instances paid trials as well as cross sells, will certainly reduce sales but will greatly reduce chargebacks too. Cross sells almost always raise dispute numbers from our analysis and it is obvious trial memberships do also. I am not bagging on any one as we have many merchants doing cross-sells and several doing free trials. I am simply stating facts from our analysis.

                                Mitch


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                                • DatingGold
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                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 13185

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Kimmykim

                                  That is wrong.

                                  As is your Visa Intl number, it drops to 2% overall in January, it will not be 2.5%.

                                  I was referring to now, not January.
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                                  • DatingGold
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                                    • Feb 2003
                                    • 13185

                                    #18
                                    In my opinion if someone charges back they are saying they didnt do it.. therefore the credit card company should cancel the card, but of course they won't...
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                                    • NETbilling
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                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 8599

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by DatingGold
                                      In my opinion if someone charges back they are saying they didnt do it.. therefore the credit card company should cancel the card, but of course they won't...
                                      The banks see it as a big expense to re-issue cards everytime someone cries "FRAUD". They typically only do it at the consumer's request or if the card was stolen.

                                      Mitch


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                                      • Kimmykim
                                        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 16015

                                        #20
                                        Cross sales are not necessarily the problem. I know of at least one company whose crosses result in fewer chargebacks and longer retention than their new sales.

                                        Just goes to show that purchasing crosses from others whose sites aren't as good can be profitable.

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                                        • Probono
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 2731

                                          #21
                                          Mitch, Kim or someone.. Could you post a concise summary of the rules of US webmasters from both Visa and MC. The summary above is a great template. Are just the percentages different or are there other differences?

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                                          • banderas
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jun 2003
                                            • 1086

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Kimmykim

                                            Just goes to show that purchasing crosses from others whose sites aren't as good can be profitable.
                                            Im not agree with you, some times people save money this way...

                                            We only planing to open merchant account, maybe we can think out some cooperation to keep chargebacks ratio on this level?

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                                            • Jizar II
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                                              • May 2001
                                              • 1425

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by banderas


                                              Im not agree with you, some times people save money this way...

                                              We only planing to open merchant account, maybe we can think out some cooperation to keep chargebacks ratio on this level?

                                              please contact me at 5557407
                                              Well said

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                                              • skitten
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 217

                                                #24
                                                The f*cking credit card companies lose nothing when a customer charges back. As webmasters, we are held responsible - the customer loses nothing, the credit card company loses nothing - yet we must refund money to the customer, pay charge back fees, $750 Visa fees - and live with the threat of losing everything at any given moment!

                                                This business is being systematically destroyed by the powers that be.

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                                                • goBigtime
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                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                  • 7761

                                                  #25
                                                  Is there a case for a class action suit here somewhere?

                                                  This is pretty sick.

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                                                  • sexeducation
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                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 7315

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by skitten
                                                    The f*cking credit card companies lose nothing when a customer charges back. As webmasters, we are held responsible - the customer loses nothing, the credit card company loses nothing - yet we must refund money to the customer, pay charge back fees, $750 Visa fees - and live with the threat of losing everything at any given moment!

                                                    This business is being systematically destroyed by the powers that be.
                                                    It appears there may be a case for your "destroyed by the powers" statement.

                                                    I am assuming all of this applies to "ePASSPORTe.com" commercial accounts as well?

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                                                    • skitten
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 217

                                                      #27
                                                      I'm not familiar with epassporte...

                                                      It just seems that every time we turn around there are new laws, fees, regulations and restrictions placed on adult webmasters regarding credit card transactions.

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                                                      • sexeducation
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                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                        • 7315

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by skitten
                                                        I'm not familiar with epassporte...
                                                        To the best of my understanding,

                                                        ePASSPORTe.com is a virtual ANONYMOUS Visa. You charge it up and put whatever you want as the Visa name. You could use "Donald Duck" if you wanted to. Then you take that Visa to a website and make your purchase like normal. The MERCHANT does not know who you are - rebills are not allowed (?) currently.


                                                        I believe, since Visa has pretty much destroyed all Adult Verifications Systems (AVS's) that "ePASSPORTe.com" type transactions are absolutely necessary for online freedom of speech especially in this "new" blogging era.

                                                        There must be a way for authors to accept payment without knowing who is supporting their disemmination of information.

                                                        And I'm a good example of this. I purposely go out onto boards and push peoples buttons to get attention. In other words, I go "blog" to win my customers one at a time. However, my "colourful" manner in which I do things ; ) ... is not necessary something someone wants to be associated with - even though they wish to support the disemmination of the information.

                                                        It's like - they wish they could say ...
                                                        "Any cowardly Father that permits the circumcision of their daughter should be castrated" like I do. But they do not want me to know it was them by their Visa and Email details supporting that initiative.


                                                        It just seems that every time we turn around there are new laws, fees, regulations and restrictions placed on adult webmasters regarding credit card transactions. [/B]
                                                        To me as I have watched this unfold - it's like prohibition.
                                                        A purposeful, multi-front two year plan of attack to clamp down on things.
                                                        the transaction front ...
                                                        the legal front with obscenity prosecutions...
                                                        and the accountability front ...

                                                        and it's not over yet.

                                                        I'm not saying that some changes did not need to occur - they did.

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                                                        • DatingGold
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                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 13185

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by netbilling


                                                          The banks see it as a big expense to re-issue cards everytime someone cries "FRAUD". They typically only do it at the consumer's request or if the card was stolen.

                                                          Mitch
                                                          Right but if that card has "fraud" on it? then why are we held liable if they authorize it again?

                                                          The merchant is hit with the chargeback, but the bank is the one authorizing it, not the merchant.

                                                          If there is CNP or fraud chargeback, they need to cancel that card, otherwise the customer is making it all up.
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                                                          • NETbilling
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                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                            • 8599

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by DatingGold


                                                            Right but if that card has "fraud" on it? then why are we held liable if they authorize it again?

                                                            The merchant is hit with the chargeback, but the bank is the one authorizing it, not the merchant.

                                                            If there is CNP or fraud chargeback, they need to cancel that card, otherwise the customer is making it all up.
                                                            It would be nice, I agree.

                                                            Mitch


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