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  • Alex From San Diego
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 1642
    #101
    Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
    yes LM,that's what they are supposed to be, but in reality it's not that simple anymore. A gallery made to sell won't get listed for free that easy and it's possible to get declined in some paid spots as well. This is the feedback I get.
    You are correct Soul. Whether you pay for a listing or try to submit, if your gallery "Looks like an advertisement" or "not enough content" you get denied. I started in this biz doing galleries and did quite well but over the years my money is in PPC and SE listings. I'll do 10 times the joins per day as any top notch tgp submitter does.

    What it boils down to is, how you e*x*e*c*u*t*e you your business model. Free porn is here to stay....If you don't adapt, you just might be passed on by never to catch up.
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      • SleazyDream
        I'm here for SPORT
        • Jul 2001
        • 41470
        #102
        Originally posted by psyko514
        10s of thousands of people making a living from TGPs? i'd be surprised.
        refering to signups a day idiot - read.
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        Now read without the word dog.

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          • Rick Latona
            The Best Ideas Start Here
            • Dec 2002
            • 6037
            #103
            Originally posted by SleazyDream
            ohh, i disagree. but we can have a fist fight over that in atlanta.
            I meant, it isn't "kind of" a TGP, it is a TGP but done better, shmuckos. ;)

            That said, when do you get to Atlanta? I'm having a party on Cinco de Mayo and I'd be honored if you came.
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              • quiet
                we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                • Sep 2001
                • 25115
                #104
                Originally posted by Alex From San Diego
                TGP's aren't killing the industry. Paysites are killing the industry with their flashy tours and misleading statements only to find out the members area is just pure shit.
                it's a factor. but it also makes honest, quality sites stand out
                we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                  • jayeff
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2001
                    • 2944
                    #105
                    Originally posted by SleazyDream
                    if you think billing is the only problem out there then you don't have a clue
                    Your first respondent didn't imply, let alone state that billing was the only problem. He wrote simply that billing practises were more of a problem than TGPs.

                    He didn't go far enough. Even among the sponsors who have been around for years, the vast majority appear to believe that at any moment the bubble will burst. To them, surfers are just chickens to be plucked and thrown away. So these days, if we are lucky, maybe 10% of our potential buyers still haven't been burned at least once. And the percentage declines every year.

                    There are thousands of pay sites, yet you would be hard pressed to get out of two digits, counting those which deliver something the surfer is likely to be happy paying for. In comparison, the average TGP treats the surfer perhaps too kindly. And without so much easily accessible free porn, maybe there would be more surfers willing to get taken again. For a while.

                    But until sponsors like Alscan, Karup, ATK, and Scoreland become the norm for our industry, instead of the exceptions, TGPs are among the least of our problems.

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                      • Mr Pheer
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 22082
                        #106
                        I tried tgp for a brief (very brief) amount of time and the ratios disgusted me. I can pull 1:150 on SE traffic and 1:25 on chat traffic so thats what I stick with.

                        Just stick with what you know and do it well, dont worry about what the webmaster next door is doing and you'll do ok.

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                          • SleazyDream
                            I'm here for SPORT
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 41470
                            #107
                            Originally posted by Rick Latona
                            I meant, it isn't "kind of" a TGP, it is a TGP but done better, shmuckos. ;)

                            That said, when do you get to Atlanta? I'm having a party on Cinco de Mayo and I'd be honored if you came.
                            i get in on the 6th. debating changing it to the 5th though - not sure if i can.....
                            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                            Now read without the word dog.

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                              • SleazyDream
                                I'm here for SPORT
                                • Jul 2001
                                • 41470
                                #108
                                Originally posted by quiet
                                it's a factor. but it also makes honest, quality sites stand out
                                word
                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                  • quiet
                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 25115
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by MrPheer
                                    Just stick with what you know and do it well, dont worry about what the webmaster next door is doing and you'll do ok.
                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                      • SleazyDream
                                        I'm here for SPORT
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 41470
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by MrPheer
                                        I tried tgp for a brief (very brief) amount of time and the ratios disgusted me. I can pull 1:150 on SE traffic and 1:25 on chat traffic so thats what I stick with.

                                        Just stick with what you know and do it well, dont worry about what the webmaster next door is doing and you'll do ok.
                                        good advise
                                        This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                        Now read without the word dog.

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                                          • DraX
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Oct 2002
                                            • 7147
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                            ok, here's a post for the has beens and wanabees that think they know everything.

                                            why do you think TGP is killing the industry?


                                            I'll comment on the intelligence of your remarks.
                                            Some simple thoughts

                                            I think there are certain tgps that would benefit the industry if they were gone.

                                            Tgps with 100 of categories and tons of galleries on each category.

                                            Those that trade with alot of skimming on galleries (this would of course in my oppinion be smaller sites cause they wanna grow) but still bad , the tgp sites that have hardlinks and galleries that goes to galleries is much better and gives the surfer more trust, and the site owners makes more cash too with a surfer friendly site. But for a newcomer that would be very hard to get that kind a site growing in any bigger volumes if he doesnt have much cash behind.

                                            And its like somebody else mentioned almost everybody starts out with a tgp----trading and skimming and jerking around bad traffic that gets even worse for each day a new tgp starts.

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                                              • jojojo
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Mar 2002
                                                • 2318
                                                #112
                                                I dont think they are killing the industry I think it is the paysites misleading tours with shit member's areas combined with harsh billing practices.
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                                                  • Mr Pheer
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 22082
                                                    #113
                                                    I think idiots are killing the industry.

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                                                      • <IMX>
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                        • 2728
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by MrPheer
                                                        I think idiots are killing the industry.
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                                                          • MrIzzz
                                                            If u touch it, I will cum
                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                            • 22923
                                                            #115
                                                            this thread has been a good read.

                                                            every business has naysayers and doomsday predicters.......blah blah blah tgps this and that. the point is that there is always room for more money to be made. and yes we can reinvent the wheel also, and have success.

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                                                              • slapass
                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                • 14625
                                                                #116
                                                                Cross sales and exits being one and two but doesn't that traffic still originate from TGP's as the norm? Once it gets to the paysite, it is misleading to then relable that traffic as the source.

                                                                I have heard that typein or direct search traffic is number 1 and about 50% with TGP, mailer, etc making up the other half.

                                                                No paysite here so I might be blowing bubbles.

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                                                                  • BRISK
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                    • 12240
                                                                    #117
                                                                    My thoughts on the subject:

                                                                    1) TGPs aren't killing the industry.

                                                                    2) TGPs are the inevitable result of this competitive industry.

                                                                    3) If you think too much free porn is being given away today, you 'aint seen nuthin yet!
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                                                                      • dirtysouth
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                        • 2613
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by jayeff
                                                                        Your first respondent didn't imply, let alone state that billing was the only problem. He wrote simply that billing practises were more of a problem than TGPs.

                                                                        He didn't go far enough. Even among the sponsors who have been around for years, the vast majority appear to believe that at any moment the bubble will burst. To them, surfers are just chickens to be plucked and thrown away. So these days, if we are lucky, maybe 10% of our potential buyers still haven't been burned at least once. And the percentage declines every year.

                                                                        There are thousands of pay sites, yet you would be hard pressed to get out of two digits, counting those which deliver something the surfer is likely to be happy paying for. In comparison, the average TGP treats the surfer perhaps too kindly. And without so much easily accessible free porn, maybe there would be more surfers willing to get taken again. For a while.

                                                                        But until sponsors like Alscan, Karup, ATK, and Scoreland become the norm for our industry, instead of the exceptions, TGPs are among the least of our problems.
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                                                                          • tony299
                                                                            lurker
                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                            • 57021
                                                                            #119
                                                                            I think TGP's dont kill business if you have fresh exclusive content. Not the same old tired crap bought from the same 12 content providers. I also think if w gets 4 more yrs there will be no more TGP'S based in THe USA.

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                                                                              • untitled
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                • 352
                                                                                #120
                                                                                maybe cheaper bandwidth=more free content
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                                                                                  • Shaze
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                    • 2662
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    My opinion:

                                                                                    TGP's aren't necessarily killing the business they may even be helping the business that offer the paysites, but on the other hand there is way to much free porn out there. Signup ratios would increase if the amount of free porn in TGP's were scaled down to show less provocative pictures are just less pictures per gallery in general, but then again it is because of competition that all this free porn is out there. All the TGP's are trying to get the bookmarkers to their sites so they try to out do all the other TGP's by offering more free porn to the surfers. I don't think it will ever happened where all TGP's would agree to limit the number of pics/movies available, so all the free porn from TGP's will never go away. People will just have to adapt to it by building sites that offer more, a paysite with just static pictures isn't going to cut it anymore. Paysites need movies, pictures, interactive content, and alot more. I really do believe movie streams and interactive types of websites are the future. As bandwidth costs come down and technology for this type of content gets cheaper you'll see more pay-per-movie or live webcam sites come about be the main source for paying customers. Once the internet becomes fully integrated into the t.v., live interactive websites will be huge. Just imagine a surfer can sit in his living room with that huge 30"+ picture and tell the girl what to do while wacking off? Static pictures, if not already losing their appeal, will lose their appeal.
                                                                                    just my opinion, so bash all you want.
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                                                                                      • Mr.Fiction
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 9484
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by stev0


                                                                                        TGP's used to be softcore/teaser pics... now there's no difference between the content on the galleries and the galleries in the members area.
                                                                                        When did all TGPs used to be softcore? Maybe there was less hardcore in the past (when there were less TGPs), but The Hun has posted links to hardcore since way back.
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                                                                                          • SleazyDream
                                                                                            I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                            • 41470
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
                                                                                            When did all TGPs used to be softcore? Maybe there was less hardcore in the past (when there were less TGPs), but The Hun has posted links to hardcore since way back.
                                                                                            i was doing hardcore galleries in 99
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                                                                                            Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                              • NoCarrier
                                                                                                We need more free porn
                                                                                                • Mar 2002
                                                                                                • 16356
                                                                                                #124

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                                                                                                  • blackmonsters
                                                                                                    Making PHP work
                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                    • 20992
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Asshole paysites did more to ruin the biz than anybody.
                                                                                                    Billing rip offs scared away surfers, dialer rip offs actually caused dialup people to lose their phone service!
                                                                                                    Shit content in members area hurt too.



                                                                                                    Then there's the asshole webmasters, who cheat until all easy traffic sources got cut off. It was easy as pie to get 200,000 hits a day until cheaters fucked it up. I even closed my own traffic script to new signs...tired of deleting assholes and I stopped taking gallery submissions only after two weeks of that bullshit.

                                                                                                    Bad paysites caused all the chargebacks and created the Visa problem and ran Globill etc... out of business.

                                                                                                    Idiots fucked with the tgps and now bitch that tgp was the problem.

                                                                                                    Topsite traffic used to be the best traffic because you made your own description and posted a banner to your site. It was better than SE traffic. But where are topsites now? All quit because of cheaters.

                                                                                                    Anyone doing stupid shit to fuck with the surfer and run scams and lying about content should blame themselves for fucking up the biz and that's why they don't make money.
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                                                                                                      • SoundMan
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                                                        • 3471
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        when you start seeing 5 min vidoes for free then start to worry.

                                                                                                        it will probally happen..

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                                                                                                          • gin
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                                                                            • 672
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            how can some one compare a tgp to a commercial? if they had commercials on tv where they showed 1 minute previews and had about 100 channels they could view, im sure their sales would drop. who would spend money when you can get off watching the commercial? people are poor. they would just flip thru the channels and keep seeing more porn.. as alot do with tgp's.. if your getting 500,000 hits a day and only a few hundred sales.. that's the worst ratio known to man. since when do clicks count only when they click the sponsor link? just my opinions..

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                                                                                                              • CumSensei
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                • 3986
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                idiot.

                                                                                                                a 30 to 60 second teaser clip done right isn't a problem. watch the sat porn preview channel -they have 30 second to 1 min previews on there, full hardcore - of the movies for sale.
                                                                                                                Well there you have it sleazy...."done right" is the key word here...

                                                                                                                Problem is everyday new people comes up that dont have a clue how to sell a gallery.

                                                                                                                It´s those people who fuck up this bizz.

                                                                                                                I run tgps for years and they always made me good money on little traffic but I always tried to NOT post the galleries from people who dont have a clue what they are doing.

                                                                                                                We all seen the galleries that every now and then slips trough over at the hun with 30 pictures and one sponsor link

                                                                                                                Those are the people who mess up this tgp industry.

                                                                                                                I always stated the same.....a gallery is a add nothing more nothing less.

                                                                                                                But not all people see it this way.

                                                                                                                They think give them alot of pictures or movies and I get a sale.

                                                                                                                Well...

                                                                                                                Less pictures and more sponsor links...

                                                                                                                But that for some reason is not liked by tgps because it is suposed to kill the bookmarkers?

                                                                                                                Just my 100 bucks

                                                                                                                Good thread btw.

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                                                                                                                  • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                    I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                    • 41470
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by NoCarrier
                                                                                                                    lol
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                                                                                                                    Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        TGP's were inevitable.

                                                                                                                        However we would all be making more money without em and we all know it.

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                                                                                                                          • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                            I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                            • 41470
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                            TGP's were inevitable.

                                                                                                                            However we would all be making more money without em and we all know it.
                                                                                                                            idiot
                                                                                                                            This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                            Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                              • BRISK
                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                • 12240
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by SoundMan
                                                                                                                                when you start seeing 5 min vidoes for free then start to worry.

                                                                                                                                it will probally happen..
                                                                                                                                It will happen.
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                                                                                                                                  • Shaze
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                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 2662
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                                                                                                    TGP's were inevitable.

                                                                                                                                    However we would all be making more money without em and we all know it.
                                                                                                                                    i'd have to disagree on that....we need TGP's to entice the customers and drive the traffic, just need less free porn on the TGP's then we'd be making more money.
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                                                                                                                                      • impfest
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                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 119
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        The Only Reason
                                                                                                                                        Tgp's may be Dragging Down the industry Is The Dumb Fucks That Post All Thier Best Pics On A Gallery

                                                                                                                                        If Everyone Would Post Galleries Where The model Strips For the 1st 10 Pics Then Finally Shows All At The Last 5-10 Pics
                                                                                                                                        Everything Would Be Fine


                                                                                                                                        Every Day I See Dumb Fucks Posting The Entire Series Of Pics Showing All.

                                                                                                                                        You Have To Give The Surfer A Reason To Join And See The Rest Of The set The Pics Where the model Shows all Ect.

                                                                                                                                        Many Many Times I Have Seen Dumb Assed Webmasters
                                                                                                                                        Post Thier Whole Members Area Free To Tgp's!

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                                                                                                                                          • Shaze
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 2662
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by impfest
                                                                                                                                            The Only Reason
                                                                                                                                            Tgp's may be Dragging Down the industry Is The Dumb Fucks That Post All Thier Best Pics On A Gallery

                                                                                                                                            If Everyone Would Post Galleries Where The model Strips For the 1st 10 Pics Then Finally Shows All At The Last 5-10 Pics
                                                                                                                                            Everything Would Be Fine


                                                                                                                                            Every Day I See Dumb Fucks Posting The Entire Series Of Pics Showing All.

                                                                                                                                            You Have To Give The Surfer A Reason To Join And See The Rest Of The set The Pics Where the model Shows all Ect.

                                                                                                                                            Many Many Times I Have Seen Dumb Assed Webmasters
                                                                                                                                            Post Thier Whole Members Area Free To Tgp's!
                                                                                                                                            couldn't have said it better
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                                                                                                                                              • BRISK
                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 12240
                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                TGPs are killing the online porn industry about as much as public libraries are killing the book selling industry.
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                                                                                                                                                I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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                                                                                                                                                  • hydro
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                                                                                                                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                    • 4216
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    tgp's are only helping, sure you lose a few of the cheap surfers who dont want to pay $25 a month but thats not that many people. The other day i was watching the clips at crystalclearmovies.com and eventually got an account after seeing all the clips . so tgp's work, i dont think they are killing anything

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                                                                                                                                                      • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 9484
                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by impfest
                                                                                                                                                        The Only Reason
                                                                                                                                                        Tgp's may be Dragging Down the industry Is The Dumb Fucks That Post All Thier Best Pics On A Gallery

                                                                                                                                                        If Everyone Would Post Galleries Where The model Strips For the 1st 10 Pics Then Finally Shows All At The Last 5-10 Pics
                                                                                                                                                        Everything Would Be Fine


                                                                                                                                                        Every Day I See Dumb Fucks Posting The Entire Series Of Pics Showing All.

                                                                                                                                                        You Have To Give The Surfer A Reason To Join And See The Rest Of The set The Pics Where the model Shows all Ect.

                                                                                                                                                        Many Many Times I Have Seen Dumb Assed Webmasters
                                                                                                                                                        Post Thier Whole Members Area Free To Tgp's!
                                                                                                                                                        whY diD yoU capitalizE thE firsT letteR oF eacH worD?
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                                                                                                                                                          • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 18481
                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Does the amount of free content on TGP's really matter anymore?

                                                                                                                                                            A surfer can only look at so much. A TGP that posts 15 galleries a day is really no different than one who posts 150 a day. It's not like the surfer is going to sit there and view all 150. In fact, they probably won't even reach 15 at any one TGP.

                                                                                                                                                            There's also only so much time someone can spend looking around. Let's say 30 minutes. As long as there was enough TGP's and galleries to fill that 30 minutes, the number of TGP's and galleries beyond that is irrelevant.

                                                                                                                                                            And we are at the point now where new TGP's don't mean new surfers. So you could double the number of TGP's and galleries and it wouldn't matter.

                                                                                                                                                            So TGP's are not a *growing* problem. If it's a problem at all, it maxed out years ago..... Yet overall ratios have continued to get worse. Thus proving it's not the TGP's at this point.

                                                                                                                                                            Clearly, the problems are with the paysites themselves.... or at least in how they are marketed (usually in a dishonest manner).

                                                                                                                                                            In what other industry can someone without the funds to deliver a good product make themselves appear to potential customers that they are just as good as the best on the level that you can do this online?

                                                                                                                                                            We're talking the equivalent of someone building a theme park with a front on the outside that is better than Disney, but once inside all they have is a broken down merry-go-round. That's not very likely to happen in the real world, but it's both possible and very common with adult sites.

                                                                                                                                                            You can emulate any high quality site from the outside, and then do whatever you want beyond that stage. It's a very bad thing for surfers.

                                                                                                                                                            If there is any problem with TGP's, it's the fact that TGP owners and gallery submitters tend to be reckless in who they choose to promote. Many times it's the sites as described above, and that in the end hurts everyone. Including the eventual quality of the traffic.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Shaze
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                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 2662
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                And we are at the point now where new TGP's don't mean new surfers. So you could double the number of TGP's and galleries and it wouldn't matter.

                                                                                                                                                                there are tons of new surfers coming online everyday.....the internet has not maxed out yet as far as customer base....too add to that there will always be people growing up and turning that legal age of 18 where they can buy porn.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • slapass
                                                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Shaze
                                                                                                                                                                    there are tons of new surfers coming online everyday.....the internet has not maxed out yet as far as customer base....too add to that there will always be people growing up and turning that legal age of 18 where they can buy porn.
                                                                                                                                                                    The US surfer which is the one that pays the bills has less then 100% growth possible. Broadband created a second wave as people who would not buy a membership on dial up would on broadband.

                                                                                                                                                                    Mainstream is projecting huge growth over the next 5 years as surfers get more and more comfortable taking out the credit card but I doubt adult can say that.

                                                                                                                                                                    Edit: Stats 60%+ of US has internet and 55% of those have broadband.
                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by slapass; 04-25-2004, 10:24 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • cali_22
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 2330
                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        The TGP game is still getting started and the biggest is yet come ! surfers are just now relizing what great sites tgp's are my sign ups are up and i am making more money than i was for sure. my traffic also goes up almost everyday !

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                                                                                                                                                                          • quiet
                                                                                                                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                            • 25115
                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                            i was doing hardcore galleries in 99
                                                                                                                                                                            98
                                                                                                                                                                            we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                                                                                                              • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by quiet
                                                                                                                                                                                98
                                                                                                                                                                                i was surfing them in 97

                                                                                                                                                                                :P
                                                                                                                                                                                This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                                Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • quiet
                                                                                                                                                                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 25115
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                    i was surfing them in 97

                                                                                                                                                                                    :P
                                                                                                                                                                                    haha
                                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by quiet; 04-25-2004, 11:15 PM.
                                                                                                                                                                                    we'll miss you our friend. RIP

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Kappy
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 67
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think it is killing the industry. P2P file sharing is a bigger threat. People go to TGPs to watch commercials. If they want more they have to buy. What's wrong with that?
                                                                                                                                                                                        What do you wanna more than 1000 daily new pics and videos that you can get on each and every tgp daily new, daily different?

                                                                                                                                                                                        People are not watching commercials on tgps. When I visit tgps and look into the free pics and movies I don't have any clue what they are trying to advertise, I don't look at the advertising, I only want the free pics and movies. The galleries are so clean it's no problem to only look at the free content and not at the advertising.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • psyko514
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                            refering to signups a day idiot - read.
                                                                                                                                                                                            dude, other way around.

                                                                                                                                                                                            my post said hundreds if not thousands were making a living off TGPs. i wasn't talking about signups.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by psyko514
                                                                                                                                                                                            We're talking hundreds if not thousands of jobs from the TGP industry.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                            hundreds? lol - thousands lol

                                                                                                                                                                                            try 10's of thousands

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • AWW - Kevin
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 2353
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                I see TGP's like the free little hahahahahaha or cheese samples you see promo girls giving away in supermarkets, problem is there are giving away too many 1kg bags of the stuff thesedays.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • bringer
                                                                                                                                                                                                    i have man boobies
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 13082
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by AWW - Kevin
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I see TGP's like the free little hahahahahaha or cheese samples you see promo girls giving away in supermarkets, problem is there are giving away too many 1kg bags of the stuff thesedays.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
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                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 30307
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                                        idiot
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Moron.

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