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  • Libertine
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    • May 2002
    • 17860

    #1

    Racism... sometimes justified?

    I live in a ghetto. The majority of the people around here aren't white. Many black people, quite a few arabs and asians, and some white people.

    Now, every morning when I get up to go to class, I see tons of people on the streets, on their way to work/school/whatever. The funny thing is, most of those people are white or asian, some are arabs. No black people whatsoever.

    Then, when I get back in the afternoon or evening, the black people have suddenly appeared. They are hanging around a bit, drinking beers on the street, pissing against buildings, playing dice for money, dealing drugs (yes, I know this for a fact), trying to sell stolen bikes, blasting music from their cars, shouting at passers-by and more of that type of stuff. They do this every single day, from about 2 PM to about 2 AM.

    I don't consider myself a racist. However, I really have a hard time explaining this in a non-racist way. Anyone got any ideas?
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  • lil2rich4u2
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    • Oct 2002
    • 11046

    #2
    Originally posted by punkworld
    I live in a ghetto

    ...............

    They are hanging around a bit, drinking beers on the street, pissing against buildings, playing dice for money, dealing drugs (yes, I know this for a fact), trying to sell stolen bikes, blasting music from their cars, shouting at passers-by and more

    .............

    Anyone got any ideas?

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    • dirtyone
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      • Jun 2002
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      #3
      Are there white people working at the Burger King there?

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      • GeXus
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        • May 2003
        • 3320

        #4
        Hey, There are worst types of people in the world then rasists and If people call you a rasist for telling it how it is... they are living in la la land.

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        • dirtyone
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          • Jun 2002
          • 3706

          #5
          Not racism
          Main Entry: rac·ism
          Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
          Function: noun
          Date: 1936
          1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
          2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
          - rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective


          I think this is more of a sterotype
          Main Entry: 2stereotype
          Function: noun
          Etymology: French stéréotype, from stéré- stere- + type
          Date: 1817
          1 : a plate cast from a printing surface
          2 : something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced attitude, or uncritical judgment
          - ste·reo·typ·i·cal /"ster-E-&-'ti-pi-k&l/ also ste·reo·typ·ic /-pik/ adjective
          - ste·reo·typ·i·cal·ly /-pi-k(&-)lE/ adverb

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          • EscortBiz
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            • May 2002
            • 19422

            #6
            at the same token I see many black people heading to work, many successful people I know are black.

            And I know many white guys who piss in their pants and run up bills all over etc.

            I think in all races there is good and bad some just know how to hide it better.

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            • stevet
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              #7
              Originally posted by dirtyone
              Are there white people working at the Burger King there?

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              • Johny Traffic
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                • Apr 2003
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                #8
                No black people whatsoever.
                Are you suggesting that "NO" black people work where you live? I find that a bit hard to beleive


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                • Libertine
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                  • May 2002
                  • 17860

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Johny Traffic


                  Are you suggesting that "NO" black people work where you live? I find that a bit hard to beleive
                  I am not suggesting that. What I am saying is that I see none of them going to work in the morning.
                  Actually, I saw one once. 7 months ago, black guy in a suit seemingly going to work. It says a lot that I still remember that.
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                  • playa
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                    • Feb 2001
                    • 6432

                    #10
                    think outside of the box man
                    personally it proves to me how fucked the society/system is with poor people. Lot of people still out of jobs, its still a fucked up economy

                    I live in atlanta and see it from both sides.

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                    • Katlicious72
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1665

                      #11
                      Playa's right.


                      Case in point. Last night I was on the Coaster coming back from Vista which is north of san diego. Everyone was on their way to Street Scene the biggest party in San Diego. A white guy was dancing on the train, and a little drunk, he walks past me (I'm black/other races) and tells me "I'm white but GIRLFRIEND I got some rythm!" I told him "I don't care if your white, I don't care if you got some rythm, I see in grey, rock on!"

                      My problem with this whole event was the fact that this guy felt he only could talk to me or identify with me by saying these few words. Did I find it cute or funny? No.
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                      • Libertine
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                        • May 2002
                        • 17860

                        #12
                        playa: Over here it's different than in the US. Welfare here is something you can live on, and you'll get it as long as you keep applying for jobs. If you don't have enough education and are under 26, you will get free money from the government to get your degree.

                        Both my parents were extremely poor when I was born - now, through no other means than hard work and determination, they can live quite comfortably. I've seen both sides, and I know for a fact that over here anyone with determination can make it.
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                        • brand0n
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                          • Nov 2002
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                          #13
                          yea man, wtf are you doing there

                          pack shit and hual ass, webmasters dont live in the ghetto
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                          • AaronM
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                            • Oct 2001
                            • 46917

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Katlicious72
                            Playa's right.


                            Case in point. Last night I was on the Coaster coming back from Vista which is north of san diego. Everyone was on their way to Street Scene the biggest party in San Diego. A white guy was dancing on the train, and a little drunk, he walks past me (I'm black/other races) and tells me "I'm white but GIRLFRIEND I got some rythm!" I told him "I don't care if your white, I don't care if you got some rythm, I see in grey, rock on!"

                            My problem with this whole event was the fact that this guy felt he only could talk to me or identify with me by saying these few words. Did I find it cute or funny? No.
                            Why do I get the feeling that you were not in a very good mood last night before Slim Shady approached you?

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                            • Katlicious72
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1665

                              #15
                              Originally posted by AaronM


                              Why do I get the feeling that you were not in a very good mood last night before Slim Shady approached you?
                              No I wasn't Aaron. It's obvious isn't it. I can't let that one live down LOL
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                              • AaronM
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                                • Oct 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by punkworld
                                Both my parents were extremely poor when I was born - now, through no other means than hard work and determination, they can live quite comfortably. I've seen both sides, and I know for a fact that over here anyone with determination can make it.
                                Tell us again why you still live in the ghetto?

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                                • Libertine
                                  sex dwarf
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 17860

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by brand0n
                                  yea man, wtf are you doing there

                                  pack shit and hual ass, webmasters dont live in the ghetto
                                  I like it over here. Great apartment for next to no money, great view of the street (watching people get into fights with the police iis funny as hell). Plus, with the housing shortages here it's close to impossible to find something else (been on the waiting list for 28 months so far).
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                                  • AaronM
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                                    • Oct 2001
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Katlicious72


                                    No I wasn't Aaron. It's obvious isn't it. I can't let that one live down LOL
                                    Well...If it makes you feel any better. I ain't got no rythm but I do watch Soul Train and YO! MTv Raps!

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                                    • Katlicious72
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 1665

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by AaronM


                                      Well...If it makes you feel any better. I ain't got no rythm but I do watch Soul Train and YO! MTv Raps!
                                      Keep playing aaron ROFL
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                                      • AaronM
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Katlicious72


                                        Keep playing aaron ROFL
                                        I have a black room mate. Am I cool yet?

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                                        • Katlicious72
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                                          #21
                                          I"m gonna get you back aaron, just keep playing
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                                          • AaronM
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                                            • Oct 2001
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Katlicious72
                                            I"m gonna get you back aaron, just keep playing
                                            I intend to.

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                                            • BVF
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                                              • Jan 2002
                                              • 13975

                                              #23
                                              what kind of black ghetto do you live in where they have whites and ASIANS living there too? And how is it that all these white and asian people who live in the same neighborhood manage to go to work while the blacks sit at home?

                                              I live in a black neighborhood and during the day, the kids are in school and the parents are at work...I've lived in straight GHETTOES in Washington, D.C. and I still saw people getting in their car or on the bus to go to work...

                                              And don't even think about looking down on them because they live in the ghetto because you're there too....So therefore, you're seeing what you want to see....

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                                              • Libertine
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                                                • May 2002
                                                • 17860

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by BVF
                                                what kind of black ghetto do you live in where they have whites and ASIANS living there too? And how is it that all these white and asian people who live in the same neighborhood manage to go to work while the blacks sit at home?

                                                I live in a black neighborhood and during the day, the kids are in school and the parents are at work...I've lived in straight GHETTOES in Washington, D.C. and I still saw people getting in their car or on the bus to go to work...

                                                And don't even think about looking down on them because they live in the ghetto because you're there too....So therefore, you're seeing what you want to see....
                                                What kind of ghetto I live in? A Dutch ghetto It's not completely black by any means.

                                                How is it that all these white and asian people who live in the same neighborhood manage to go to work while the blacks sit at home? I have no fucking idea, that's the whole point I am trying to get.

                                                And no, I don't look down on people because of where they live, what the color of their skin is, what they look like or whatever. I base my view of individuals solely on what they do.
                                                I have as much respect for a hard-working black person as I have for a hard-working person of any other race. I would be delighted to get up in the morning and see people going to work that are a good representation of the people who live here.
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                                                • playa
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                                                  • Feb 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by punkworld
                                                  playa: Over here it's different than in the US. Welfare here is something you can live on, and you'll get it as long as you keep applying for jobs. If you don't have enough education and are under 26, you will get free money from the government to get your degree.

                                                  Dude you just proved my point.
                                                  "you'll get it as long as you keep applying for jobs"
                                                  Why the hell there not getting hired?

                                                  Many employers think like you. Don't hire the black guy because they just like to get free money from the government.

                                                  another thing to think about. if you was some big time mafia type person. Who has connections to bring in weapons and drugs to the ghettos. Who are you gonna hire to do your dirty work?

                                                  Its just a fucked up world man

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                                                  • Libertine
                                                    sex dwarf
                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 17860

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by playa



                                                    Dude you just proved my point.
                                                    "you'll get it as long as you keep applying for jobs"
                                                    Why the hell there not getting hired?

                                                    Many employers think like you. Don't hire the black guy because they just like to get free money from the government.

                                                    another thing to think about. if you was some big time mafia type person. Who has connections to bring in weapons and drugs to the ghettos. Who are you gonna hire to do your dirty work?

                                                    Its just a fucked up world man
                                                    Ok, first of all, where did that "Many employers think like you"-comment come from?? Personally, I'd hire anyone that seemed more capable, motivated and intelligent than the other applicants, regardless of race. For instance, I'd rather hire toodamnfli or BVF than lil2rich

                                                    Secondly, over here it goes for *all* government jobs and most corporate jobs that preference is given to minorities and women. Maybe that doesn't make up for existing prejudice entirely, but it does help.
                                                    I've actually talked to a number of the people "hanging around", and they made fun of the welfare system, talking about how easy it was to rip off. While ofcourse that doesn't mean all of them do it, it does give an indication of how widespread it is.


                                                    And about the mafia thing: I'd hire the most capable people to bring drugs and weapons into the ghetto ofcourse, regardless of race
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                                                    • playa
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by punkworld


                                                      Ok, first of all, where did that "Many employers think like you"-comment come from??

                                                      i was just saying in general that employers would have the same typical beliefs and of course it will be something to consider when hiring.

                                                      With your knowledge of the community, you'd know who'd be the most qualied to slang crack rocks in the ghetto's

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                                                      • BigFish
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                                                        • Jan 2003
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                                                        #28
                                                        A person's welfare and status in life is *usually* directly proportional to his/her education.

                                                        Questions: In any *public* university in the USA, Asian American students (representing less than 2 percent of the total population) EASILY outnumber the black student population by at least 5 or 6 times. Why the hell is that?? even when African Americans represent a little more than 12% of the total population?

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                                                        • Libertine
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                                                          • May 2002
                                                          • 17860

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by playa



                                                          i was just saying in general that employers would have the same typical beliefs and of course it will be something to consider when hiring.

                                                          With your knowledge of the community, you'd know who'd be the most qualied to slang crack rocks in the ghetto's
                                                          Actually, I have no beliefs about ethnic groups. I honestly believe it all depends on the individual.

                                                          That's the whole problem with what I'm seeing here; I have no way to explain it that doesn't conflict with my beliefs.

                                                          If I believed being black makes you a jobless criminal, I would just say "Well, duh" about this whole thing. However, since I don't believe that to be the case, I'm asking: "I really have a hard time explaining this in a non-racist way. Anyone got any ideas?"
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                                                          • Nanda
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by punkworld


                                                            Actually, I have no beliefs about ethnic groups. I honestly believe it all depends on the individual.
                                                            I this this is true for most people.
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                                                            • Bobby Vicious
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                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                              #31
                                                              I blame BET. Is BET available in Holland kind sir ?

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                                                              • Libertine
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                                                                • May 2002
                                                                • 17860

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Bobby Vicious
                                                                I blame BET. Is BET available in Holland kind sir ?
                                                                What's BET?
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                                                                • Bobby Vicious
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  How can you live in a ghetto and not know what BET is? Black Entertainment Television.

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                                                                  • Libertine
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                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                    • 17860

                                                                    #34
                                                                    A television station for black people?
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                                                                    • Bobby Vicious
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      who woulda thunk it !

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                                                                      • playa
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                                                                        • Feb 2001
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by punkworld

                                                                        If I believed being black makes you a jobless criminal, I would just say "Well, duh" about this whole thing. However, since I don't believe that to be the case, I'm asking: "I really have a hard time explaining this in a non-racist way. Anyone got any ideas?"

                                                                        Statistically speaking yes. More black males are in prison than college. saying It doesn't make you a racist. both sides would agree with you

                                                                        There is two point of views you can come up with for the reasoning of this

                                                                        1. Black males don't like to work. are inferior to other races. lack the morals and values to be a productive person in society

                                                                        2. Its a fucked up educational, economical, and judicial system.


                                                                        Lets face it if you got arrested for a crime you didn't commit. Had an option of going to court to risk 25 years in jail with public defender or coping a plea for 2 years in jail. You'd cop a plea. Because you know there is no way in hell a black man will win in case with a public defender

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                                                                        • Libertine
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                                                                          • May 2002
                                                                          • 17860

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by playa



                                                                          Statistically speaking yes. More black males are in prison than college. saying It doesn't make you a racist. both sides would agree with you

                                                                          There is two point of views you can come up with for the reasoning of this

                                                                          1. Black males don't like to work. are inferior to other races. lack the morals and values to be a productive person in society

                                                                          2. Its a fucked up educational, economical, and judicial system.


                                                                          Lets face it if you got arrested for a crime you didn't commit. Had an option of going to court to risk 25 years in jail with public defender or coping a plea for 2 years in jail. You'd cop a plea. Because you know there is no way in hell a black man will win in case with a public defender
                                                                          The problem with both lines of reasoning become painfully obvious when you look at the Netherlands. Over here, most black people are originally either from Suriname or the Dutch Antilles.
                                                                          The weird thing is, those from Suriname do well in society (high employment rate, low crime rate), while the opposite goes for those from the Dutch Antilles (low employment rate, high crime rate).

                                                                          How would you explain that?
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                                                                          • playa
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                                                                            • Feb 2001
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by punkworld


                                                                            The problem with both lines of reasoning become painfully obvious when you look at the Netherlands. Over here, most black people are originally either from Suriname or the Dutch Antilles.
                                                                            The weird thing is, those from Suriname do well in society (high employment rate, low crime rate), while the opposite goes for those from the Dutch Antilles (low employment rate, high crime rate).

                                                                            How would you explain that?


                                                                            Even though they might be all considered "Black" their still different ethnic groups. Different groups have different beliefs.

                                                                            You can prolly point out a same example with white people. but In america they don't make differences between groups of black or white.

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                                                                            • Libertine
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                                                                              • May 2002
                                                                              • 17860

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by playa




                                                                              Even though they might be all considered "Black" their still different ethnic groups. Different groups have different beliefs.

                                                                              You can prolly point out a same example with white people. but In america they don't make differences between groups of black or white.
                                                                              But if employment and crime rate are heavily influenced by ethnicity, wouldn't that mean that society is not at fault but, in fact, some ethnic groups are more "criminal" than others?
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